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Major_Armstrong
22 Feb 04,, 18:55
Over at this site:
http://www.the-hive.ws
on the Couch forum (visible after logging in) I've seen the most anti-American rants I've ever seen on the internet or anywhere. One of the moderators, Osmium, claims to be a member of Al Qaeda. He has been posting anti-American rants for years. He says he's happy that Americans are dying in Iraq. Also, others such as Vitus_Verdigras says he's happy about it, too. Others who blame the USA for everything and continually express their hate for the USA are abolt and hypo. Ever since 9/11 they have been bashing Bush and other Americans. They don't listen to reason and just want to blame the USA for everything. Many of them live in Europe. abolt lives in Australia and blames Bush for getting his country into war in Iraq. I wonder if I can get anyone here to register over there and harrass them and be a troll to help some of us punish these no good bastards who are supposed to be our NATO allies. After you register, you can't post for 24 hours, but you can log in right away and see other forums which are hidden without being logged in. Also, now that I think of it, some of them say that Bush's Administration caused 9/11 to happen, even saying that the CIA flew the planes into the buildings, etc.

Major_Armstrong
22 Feb 04,, 18:57
You can continually and quickly register new usernames here to receive passwords if you need to:

http://www.ziplip.com




Just sign up for the free edition here:

https://www.ziplip.com/ps/PmApp/zlp_dummy?mgc=1&NextPage=/app/services/en/register.jsp&affl=ziplip&la=en&domain=ziplip.com&acctType=&uid=

Lunatock
22 Feb 04,, 19:06
Thank you for the link and info. We'll have to see about a second front.

In the meantime feel free to look around our favorite playground to bully.

http://www.pakistanidefence.ipbhost.com/

Major_Armstrong
23 Feb 04,, 03:21
Yeah, I've seen this one before:
http://www.pakistanidefence.ipbhost.com/
About the other forum. This is the kind of stuff they post:



abolt: "God has told me to go to Langley, Virginia USA, acquire 40 tons of Ammonium Nitrate, and await further instructions.. "




Vitus_Verdegast: "If Allah wants I can hook him up with good ol' USSR grade plutonium from our commie allies in Kazachstan. "


I copied two of the pages from the couch forum and put them here:

http://www.geocities.com/milkmandan2003/Hajj.html



This one guy even posts pitures of himself while threatening terrorism against the USA:

http://www.geocities.com/milkmandan2003/VitusPic.html


I have a picture which is claimed to be Osmium by a number of people including himself (Osmium).

tomas
23 Feb 04,, 11:51
:flamemad ok that is evil but mentioning your CIA bit i have heard that they did know about attacks but did nothing about it. but if they are in europe then we should track them.

:ar15 :evil: :RW

Trooth
23 Feb 04,, 13:39
In much the same way as people have commented about me "you can't argue with him" or words to that effect, i fear that all you will gain from posting in that board is a load of hatred and abuse that ignores any reasoned argument you make, followed by a banning from their board. Which will just leave you frustrated and hurt etc.

Anti-Americansim was alive and well on September 10th 2001 and will be alive and well for a long while yet.

I am sure a lot of those people have "an uncle" that can get all sorts of stuff, or that is a member of this organisation or that. And i bet a lot of them are in middle class suburbia posting on messageboards after coming home from school.

There might be one or two genuine loons on there who go to bad each night, not wrapped in a flag, but instead in a semtex lined waistcoast, but TBH, i doubt it. After all genuine al-qaeda members would be out fighting the fight, not using infidel created devices such as the WWW or computers to speak to the infidels.

tomas
23 Feb 04,, 14:23
trooth is right most of them just say that sort of thing to get posts and so start flame wars nothing is solved from it. the only thing it shows it that you are as immature as the ones who start it lets just leave them to their petty flaming.

Lunatock
23 Feb 04,, 16:28
Evil attracts evil. I've also noticed there are a few members of "all Muslims are evil by default" crowd. The kind of people that may one day put me in a him or me situation.

Marksman
23 Feb 04,, 16:56
Well, I´ll be agreeing with trooth here. however they should not be underestimated nor ignored.
True they are likely still kids, or at least the major part is.
I belive that they should gather the most of our attenntion. if they are kids they are most likely repating what they listen. from whom s the question.

We, or whomever cans must try to dispell any miths they have been led to belive.

Personally I live in Argentina. ever since 9/11 things have become rather anti american, especially at the university. thy are mostly kids playing Che Guevara, or rather wanting to play, in spite of conviniently forgeting about the Berlin wall, or lack there of.
During the war with iraq these... assholes were all but branding the US a murderer and Bush a hitler clone...
I am still amazed at my self restrain during that time.
I mean, a bunch of lefties supporting a right wing dictatorship... they even sent support to iraq´s people (yeah, right, to the people... I buy that all right) and preached all sorts of bulshit of the US and their armed forces... I would have payed to see them saying that to the embasy´s marines...
actually I would still pay good money to see that :evil:

these are the things that cannot be left ontheir own. they fester and then we have a new generaton of idiotic anti american cattle...

Ray
23 Feb 04,, 19:24
Those who feel 'all Muslims are evil' are wrong.

There are many Moslems who are real decent folks.

One has to differentiate the folks from Terrorists, bigots and funadmantalists.

It is not confined to Islam alone. It is a virus that is in all religions. It is in Islam that the funadmantalists and the mullahs who hold the sway and that is why everyone is worried about Islam and its wierdos.

I know many Moslems, who are as good as you and me including in their beliefs. It is hard to believe, but it is true. Maybe they are very rigid in thier views and maybe that they are governed by archaic rules and not ready to change with the modern social requirements is what that worries the remainder of the world.

But, what can they do? Can the dictates of the religious texts be changed?

Anvilanthony
24 Feb 04,, 02:43
Originally posted by Major_Armstrong
Over at this site:
http://www.the-hive.ws
on the Couch forum (visible after logging in) I've seen the most anti-American rants I've ever seen on the internet or anywhere. One of the moderators, Osmium, claims to be a member of Al Qaeda. He has been posting anti-American rants for years. He says he's happy that Americans are dying in Iraq. Also, others such as Vitus_Verdigras says he's happy about it, too. Others who blame the USA for everything and continually express their hate for the USA are abolt and hypo. Ever since 9/11 they have been bashing Bush and other Americans. They don't listen to reason and just want to blame the USA for everything. Many of them live in Europe. abolt lives in Australia and blames Bush for getting his country into war in Iraq. I wonder if I can get anyone here to register over there and harrass them and be a troll to help some of us punish these no good bastards who are supposed to be our NATO allies. After you register, you can't post for 24 hours, but you can log in right away and see other forums which are hidden without being logged in. Also, now that I think of it, some of them say that Bush's Administration caused 9/11 to happen, even saying that the CIA flew the planes into the buildings, etc.

I think by todays standards Stalin, Pol Pot and Mao would be moderate liberals.

I think the hardcore liberals are Tom Dashachle, Nancy Pelosi, Ted Kennedy(anyone in south would like to whack this guy), John Kerry and..........*brainstorms* Hanoi Jane Fonda.

Trooth
24 Feb 04,, 22:39
Originally posted by Anvilanthony
I think by todays standards Stalin, Pol Pot and Mao would be moderate liberals.

Never heard that trio called liberals before.



I think the hardcore liberals are Tom Dashachle, Nancy Pelosi, Ted Kennedy(anyone in south would like to whack this guy), John Kerry and..........*brainstorms* Hanoi Jane Fonda.

Aye, and you wouldn't have been able to "brainstorm" the last two this time last year. ....

Anvilanthony
24 Feb 04,, 22:45
Well I would've said Jean Cretin but even canadians don't like him as I found out.

Confed999
24 Feb 04,, 23:40
Originally posted by Trooth
Never heard that trio called liberals before.
Communist is liberal...

Trooth
24 Feb 04,, 23:45
Must be a different usage of the word to the one i am used to. Doesn't make sense to me.

Someone who is liberal of attitude is, to my understanding of the word, free of thinking and not constrained by authoritarian attitudes, dogma or tradition.

Communists tend to be the exact opposite, certainly very authoritarian, don't they? Equally they tend to have less restrictive morals which does indeed befit a liberal demeanour.

Confed999
24 Feb 04,, 23:48
Liberal = More government, communism is total government control, as liberal as one can get.

Trooth
24 Feb 04,, 23:53
sorry edited my post above to provide more of my thinking.

I am not sure liberal does mean more government, i think in the US "Liberalism" has that as a consequence, but i put that down to local application.

My understanding is the Liberals are free thinking, not constrained by tradition (whether that be good or bad), extreme liberalism, in my book, would be anarchy, not communism.
Conservatives are more resistant to change, and thus keener on traditional ideals, and communists don't care about either but instead wish to fashion collective wealth, repsonsibility out of collective resources, rendering the individual but a tool of the commune.

Confed999
24 Feb 04,, 23:58
Originally posted by Trooth
I am not sure liberal does mean more government, i think in the US "Liberalism" has that as a consequence, but i put that down to local application.
All I can really deal with is here. ;) Big time liberals here are the Howard Dean's, nothing like anarchists, more like socialists.

Trooth
25 Feb 04,, 00:09
I'll bow to your local knowledge :Beer

As has been pointed out elsewhere, the Donkey and the Elephant are both still fairly right of centre compared to European politics :)

Confed999
25 Feb 04,, 00:12
Originally posted by Trooth
As has been pointed out elsewhere, the Donkey and the Elephant are both still fairly right of centre compared to European politics :)
Yeah, a few hundered meters behind, but we're catching up.

Major_Armstrong
07 Mar 04,, 20:39
Here's a picture of Osmium. He claims to live in Europe. Vitus says he lives in Europe, too. abolt is in Australia.


http://home.ripway.com/2003-12/43034/pics/OsChainsaw.jpg

Praxus
07 Mar 04,, 21:00
Ahhh!!!!!, he looks like a child malester.

ChrisF202
08 Mar 04,, 01:43
he looks like Freddy with that thing

tomas
08 Mar 04,, 13:39
lol that good

look at his face and ask if he looks nuts scrool down a bit and ask it again

Ray
08 Mar 04,, 16:12
Communists are bums.

Confed,

The word 'Liberal' has a different connotation [outside the US] than what I perceive in this forum. In our country we like Liberals which means centre of the road and more accomodating to diverse views [something like you on this forum :D ]. Now, don't get mad at me. I take back my words, OK? Now, that makes me a liberal. Its not that Liberals [in my country] don't have principles, its just that they are all encompassing.

But, Communists and Leftists are bums BUMs BUMs. They are the ruin of all societies and I live in a Commie state of India!

Guess what? The US Consul General in my city and his wife are the toast of the town. They mix with the proletariat and they sing songs in our language, they dress like us and they are screwing the Commies at their game. Jolly good chaps! We ALL love them. More such folks should be around instead of the archtypecal Gora [white] saheb with their nose in the air!

Can you believe it? The blasted Commies are welcoming US business in our Red land?

Ray
08 Mar 04,, 16:29
Whats that in the guy's hands?

No he can't do it. He can;t circumsize himself!

Its only the clergy who can and he must pay for it.

Cheapskate!

Confed999
08 Mar 04,, 18:46
Originally posted by Ray
Communists are bums... Communists and Leftists are bums BUMs BUMs. They are the ruin of all societies
Agreed.

Originally posted by Ray
The word 'Liberal' has a different connotation [outside the US] than what I perceive in this forum. In our country we like Liberals which means centre of the road and more accomodating to diverse views [something like you on this forum :D ]. Now, don't get mad at me. I take back my words, OK? Now, that makes me a liberal. Its not that Liberals [in my country] don't have principles, its just that they are all encompassing.
Yeah, in other places "Liberal" and "Consevative" follow the basic dictionary definitions, not sure why we're different.

Originally posted by Ray
Guess what? The US Consul General in my city and his wife are the toast of the town. They mix with the proletariat and they sing songs in our language, they dress like us and they are screwing the Commies at their game. Jolly good chaps! We ALL love them. More such folks should be around instead of the archtypecal Gora [white] saheb with their nose in the air!

Can you believe it? The blasted Commies are welcoming US business in our Red land?
That's great, nice to see Americans making a good impression. That's the kind of job I've allways wanted, doubt I would be flexible enough though.

Trooth
09 Mar 04,, 00:03
Originally posted by Confed999
Yeah, in other places "Liberal" and "Consevative" follow the basic dictionary definitions, not sure why we're different.


Tradition i guess ... i mean, look at the whole problem of one simple word ... Football. :)