PDA

View Full Version : Concerns over US computer voting



Trooth
15 Feb 04,, 15:54
Concerns over US computer voting

Richard Black
BBC Science correspondent

Two leading American experts on computer voting have warned that the forthcoming US presidential election could be more chaotic than the last.
They told a Seattle conference that the new systems may be less reliable than those used four years ago.

The issue of voting systems came to the fore during the controversy over ballot papers in the crucial state of Florida. The question of what really counts as a vote - a clear hole in a ballot paper, or a bulge? - was hotly debated.

About 25% of the US electorate is expected to vote electronically in this year's November presidential election. This is up from around 15% in 2000.

Following the fiasco in Florida, the Bush administration passed a bill called the Help America Vote Act, aimed in part at persuading states to switch to electronic voting.

But Professor David Dill from Stanford University told the annual meeting of the American Association for the Advancement of Science the switch may actually make things worse.

"The problem with electronic voting is your votes disappear into the electronic machine and there is no independent way to check that those results are valid," said Mr Dill.

"I know that I am not going to have a lot of confidence in the vote totals reported by those machines unless there is some independent polling or whatever that is consistent with that."

In recent years there has been a spate of disputes over local election results across the US involving voting machines.

There are many different models, and some provide the voter with no record of how he or she has voted - no evidence that the machine recorded the vote correctly.

Professor Ted Selker, from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, told the meeting that the machines are not sufficiently secure.

He said there could and should be safeguards to prevent anyone tampering with their computer code before and after voting.

Data should be extracted from the machines after voting by someone other than the company which makes them, he continued.

Other countries, notably Brazil, he said, have introduced e-voting with appropriate safeguards and shown that it can work well.

The US needs to take similar steps, he said, if it wants to avoid chaos this time around.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3489877.stm

Confed999
16 Feb 04,, 02:45
No paper trail on the ones here, seems like a bad idea. I still can't believe people couldn't use the cards.
:roll

Ray
17 Feb 04,, 05:46
India has the largest number of voters in the world i.e. for a democracy.

We have been very successful with the Electronic Voting Machine. The election frauds/ skullduggery have come down drastically.

Confed999
17 Feb 04,, 05:52
Originally posted by Ray
The election frauds/ skullduggery have come down drastically.
That would be nice. :)

Ray
17 Feb 04,, 08:18
There are couple of states in India famous for what is known as 'booth capturing'. My state the Communist run West Bengal is famous for it. In fact, they have made it an art! :. This means intimidating the voter not to vote as also the other parties election agents who report frauds.

This time it will be with Electronic Voting Machines. I would be very curious how they manage to booth capture!

Sooner these Communists go, the better. Unfortunately, they have kept the poverty real high and they blame all faults on the Central Government which idiots believe.

This time it is different. The NDA (National Democratic Alliance including the BJP) has shown progress on ground. Let us see how it goes.

Confed999
18 Feb 04,, 00:56
Originally posted by Ray
There are couple of states in India famous for what is known as 'booth capturing'. My state the Communist run West Bengal is famous for it.
That's awful. I can't imagine that happening. I hope the new machines help.

Jay
18 Feb 04,, 02:07
Originally posted by Confed999
That's awful. I can't imagine that happening. I hope the new machines help.
They use simple methods to capture booths....crude petrol bombs and swords :evil:

But where else can you see democratically elected communist governments ? 2 of Indian states have been doing that for the last 50 years :YIKES!

sam0001
18 Feb 04,, 22:37
I agree. Congress was the most corrupt. NDA is pro development and strong on economy and defence.

They came into power as hindu nationalists but have managed to keep the balance in India as a secular democracy.

For India, they have managed to maintain a good balance. Atal Bihari vajpayee has changed the face of India for ever.

This time the would hire computer hackers to capture booths :dbanana :dbanana :dbanana

Actually, last state elecitons in the north were for the first time 100% paperless. This time it will be throughout India. India has more than 650Million eligible voters. Some 50-80% voters cast votes(ratio varies between states).

Confed999
19 Feb 04,, 00:52
Originally posted by sam0001
Some 50-80% voters cast votes(ratio varies between states).
That scares me by itself. If 50% of Americans all got off their butts and went to vote, on the same day, it would be anarchy. Between the traffic accidents and polling area fist fights, only the first couple of people would get to vote. LOL

Ray
19 Feb 04,, 17:48
Confed.

If we can do it, so can the US.

Unless, you have intentions to 'manipulate'.:D like the last time you Florida guys did.

No man is free unless he kick the butt of others.:roll