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buisness man
19 Sep 06,, 16:12
From correspondents in Vatican City

September 20, 2006 12:00

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POPE Benedict has deplored the killing of an Italian nun in Somalia, saying that he hoped her sacrifice could lead to respect among religions.

Gunmen shot dead sister Leonella Sgorbati and her bodyguard on Sunday outside a children's hospital in north Mogadishu where she had worked since 2002.

The attack drew immediate speculation of links to Muslim anger over Pope Benedict's recent remarks on Islam but no direct link has been proven.

The Pope expressed his condolences over the death in a telegram to the head of the nun's religious order.

“While repeating a firm deploration for any form of violence, His Holiness hopes that the blood that has been shed by such a faithful disciple of the Gospel can sow hope for the building of real fraternity among people with reciprocal respect of everyone's religious convictions,” the telegram said.

Sr Sgorbati, born in 1940 in Piacenza in northern Italy, was from the Missionaries of the Consolation order based in Nepi, near Rome.

Ray
19 Sep 06,, 16:36
The nun was old and was doing yoeman's service in a country where no one wants to be.

What a reward for selfless devotion!

Heavens Bless the Barbarians.

buisness man
19 Sep 06,, 19:37
The nun was old and was doing yoeman's service in a country where no one wants to be.

What a reward for selfless devotion!

Heavens Bless the Barbarians.
Its heart breaking news.

Bill
19 Sep 06,, 21:02
Nah, it just pisses me off even more.

I cOmE iN PEaCE
19 Sep 06,, 21:11
there is no evidence muslims did this

leib10
19 Sep 06,, 21:42
Hmm, gee, I guess it was the Eskimos then. Or maybe Martians. Those Martian bastards can be really tricky. :rolleyes:

God, I hope you're joking.

YellowFever
19 Sep 06,, 22:16
there is no evidence muslims did this

Care to make any sort of bet on that?

Bill
19 Sep 06,, 23:41
there is no evidence muslims did this
There is no evidence the sky is blue either.

Until you open your eyes...

Parihaka
20 Sep 06,, 00:25
Hmm, gee, I guess it was the Eskimos then. Or maybe Martians. Those Martian bastards can be really tricky. :rolleyes:

God, I hope you're joking.

Hee heee heee

Ray
20 Sep 06,, 03:43
there is no evidence muslims did this

No, the Moslems did not do it.

Just Allah's wish!

Semper Fi
20 Sep 06,, 14:45
"Gunmen shot dead sister Leonella Sgorbati and her bodyguard"

What is the world coming to when a nun needs a bodyguard?:confused:

Ray
20 Sep 06,, 15:34
Go to Somalia and you will require a bodyguard even when you visit the toilet.

leib10
20 Sep 06,, 19:02
Go to most any predominately Muslim country and you might need a bodyguard. They might pack explosives under the seat or something like that.

I cOmE iN PEaCE
20 Sep 06,, 22:40
Go to most any predominately Muslim country and you might need a bodyguard. They might pack explosives under the seat or something like that.

it is somalia plus where is proof?

gunnut
20 Sep 06,, 23:34
I was reading the newspaper the other day where I saw 2 articles next to each other:

Muslims say Pope's apology doesn't go far enough.

-next to it-

Murdered nun forgives her killer.

Parihaka
20 Sep 06,, 23:46
I was reading the newspaper the other day where I saw 2 articles next to each other:

Muslims say Pope's apology doesn't go far enough.

-next to it-

Murdered nun forgives her killer.LOL, how the hell can a "Murdered nun forgive her killer". Does the newspaper have a direct line to heaven?:confused: :biggrin:

leib10
20 Sep 06,, 23:52
it is somalia plus where is proof?

Be real here. If it wasn't the Muslims, then who was it?

Somalia = 99.3% Sunni Muslim

gunnut
20 Sep 06,, 23:57
LOL, how the hell can a "Murdered nun forgive her killer". Does the newspaper have a direct line to heaven?:confused: :biggrin:

Newspaper uses present tense a lot for some reason. The story states the nun forgave her killer with her dying breath. "I forgive" were the last words she uttered before dying.

leib10
21 Sep 06,, 00:06
How do they know that?

gunnut
21 Sep 06,, 00:25
How do they know that?

She didn't die immediately. The gunmen fled after attacking her. Other people at the convent (or church, not quite sure) were there. She was shot in the back.

leib10
21 Sep 06,, 00:28
I see.

Parihaka
21 Sep 06,, 00:39
She didn't die immediately. The gunmen fled after attacking her. Other people at the convent (or church, not quite sure) were there. She was shot in the back.

What a bunch of scum-suckers

Ray
21 Sep 06,, 15:35
Some people would have declared a Jihad fro this!

leib10
21 Sep 06,, 16:15
She didn't die immediately. The gunmen fled after attacking her. Other people at the convent (or church, not quite sure) were there. She was shot in the back.

Isn't that honorable and righteous. Shooting a nun in the back. How brave.

Bill
21 Sep 06,, 17:16
Some people would have declared a Jihad fro this!
It happens in my neighborhood and i'll be the first.

What kind of FUKKING COWARD shoots a nun in the back?

leib10
21 Sep 06,, 17:54
No joke. I cannot see how these people can be heralded as heroes and do-gooders. Anybody with a shred of morality and righteousness would see that what these people are doing is the purest of evil.

lemontree
22 Sep 06,, 05:02
It happens in my neighborhood and i'll be the first.

What kind of FUKKING COWARD shoots a nun in the back?
The type of chaps who cannot believe a muslim shot the nun. They are basically dimwited cowards.

Ray
22 Sep 06,, 17:08
The type of chaps who cannot believe a muslim shot the nun. They are basically dimwited cowards.


Lemontree,

You do grave injustice to the person who believes that the nun was not killed by a Moslem, because:

1. "Pious" Moslems do not kill. Jihad is only for "self defence" and all acts by Moslems that look aggressive and indeed is aggressive, is but to such Moslems is but an act of self defence. Even the Jihad that has been carried out in history and which the Pope alluded to were but acts of self defence. Don't ask me how such acts by the Sword are acts of self defence, when they were actually for pillage, loot and plunder and convert! As per Islamic logic and which is beyond debate, they were acts of self defence. Therefore, the act of killing the nun was in self defence since the nun could have thrown a Bible at him and thus defile his pureness!

2. All men with Islamic names, when they commit such vile acts, are automatically doing unIslamic acts. They then become non Moslems with Islamic names! It is a different matter if the Mullah praises in the mosque thereafter! Therefore, the assassin could not have been a Moslem while committing the act, but merely a man with an Islamic name!

3. As they are wont to do, all vile and gruesome acts committed by Moslems are actually not their fault. It is the fault of everyone else. Likewise, even if the man who killed the nun was a man with an Islamic name, and even if we take him to be a Moslem, it is not his fault. It is the fault of Christians. It was after all (the weapon) that killed the nun, manufactured in some western country and was obtained by the Moslem for "self defence" (Call it Jehad, if you wish). The weapon and the bullet (s) were of western origin and so it is the fault of the Christian. The Moslem merely held the Christian manufactured weapon in his hand and his finger got squeezed involuntarily because of the heat (blame other Gods and not Allah)! If the weapon was made in USSR or China, it was worse, since they are heathens and not people of the Book!

4. The assassin may have actually not fired the weapon and instead the nun could have fired the weapon and then died out of shock because she had committed an unChristian act! The weapon flew out of her hand and the poor Moslem merely caught it in the air! So why blame the Moslem for the shock of the nun and consequent death. Remember, it took sometime for her to die. Maybe a whole minute!

5. Further, it was not the fault of the assassin. It was the fault of the nun. She came in the way of the bullet!

Lastly LT each of the surmise may appear convoluted but then the excuses trotted out are just as I have mentioned.

These Islamic assassins are not Cowards. They are brave people. They are the Soldiers of Islam (mujaheddin). It is a different perception. - you think their way of attacking and killing is sneaky and cowardly, but they (Moslems) feel it is the bravest way to kill a person when you don't face your victim but do it in a stealthy and sneaky way!

I have no animosity with Islam, but I have a huge bone to pick with Moslems justifying (or keeping silent and thus sympathising with the evil acts) heinous acts and glorifying them, and then repeatedly condoning such acts while demanding other religions kowtow before them with apologies etc etc just because they do not wish to see reality, be it in the case of the Pope's statement (which is historical and not wrong in facts) or demanding that everyone is persecuting the Moslems out of vindictiveness and sheer cussedness.

astralis
22 Sep 06,, 18:49
ray,

you have certainly developed one rapier wit! :biggrin: i come in peace must be shivering! :biggrin:

Ray
22 Sep 06,, 19:15
Astralis,

Having seen war and bloodshed, I actually am revolted with mindless violence. Honestly, it is not Islam that upsets me. I practices many of their procedures since they appeal to me in a scientific way. Not just one ritual but quite a few.

But, what really upsets me is that they blame everyone else for things that they do wrong.

I was chatting with a Moslem girl, who is actually a nice girl, but when we were discussing Islam, I told her that Wahhabis actually practice true Islam. She is a Sunni. I explained certain issue including the Hadith (which was written later).

One can love and revere Allah and Allah alone. That is why you have no photos or pictures of their Prophet Mohammed. It would have divided the love and reverence. Yet, Mohammed is the true icon of good living sytle. That could be termed as idol worship.

Likewise, going to the grave of Saints and asking for Blessings. That too is incorrect. True, Sufis who follow it, but Sunnis too go for Blessing. Pakistani leaders including Zia and Musharraf (Sunnis) have gone to get their Blessing at Ajmer Sharif! Technically incorrect and unIslamic.

Then they have this festival Shab e Barat, where they pray at the graves of their ancestors. That is again Islamic. In fact, it is the Chinese who do that.

The best part she blamed the Hindus for the festival of Shab e Barat as a Hindu ritual and at the same time she claimed the Islam was the True Religion!

If it were a Hindu festival, then how come only Moslems were doing the rituals and Hindus cremate and not bury. So, how come the graves were of the Hindus?

I was floored with such logic! And mind you, she is a very sensible girl!

All religions have contradictions, hypocrisy and a touch of idolatry. Admit the truth and reality. But Moslems go to such lengths of ridiculous explanation and keep repeating that Islam is the only True religion, as if it were a punctuation mark, in their explanation that it gets exasperating and gets your goat.

As if Moslems are the only God's own Chosen and the others are there wasting their time and energy!

Holy Cr@p!

astralis
22 Sep 06,, 21:36
ray,

my comment was not a criticism at all- it was indeed a compliment. :)

i do agree with your sentiment that there is quite the population of islamic believers who go to such lengths in regards to their own perceived infallibility of their religion, that they are quite (purposefully) blind to the doings of their compatriots.

Ray
22 Sep 06,, 22:26
Astralis,

I am aware of that.

I was just pouring my heart out in a manner of speaking.

The Moslems are wrong if they think people dislike them because of their religion. Not at all.

It is just that they put off non Moslems about their virtues of their religion, the superiority of their religion and how there is nothing wrong with them or their religion and that everyone else is out of step. And that they are picture perfect - little cute cherubs frolicking innocently and with gay abandon around the world!

If it were based on realities or logic or science or anything that is humanly recognised, then there would be no heart burning.

It is interesting that my friends do not behave so with the blinkered attitude that you see on the forums. And these forum Moslems make the otherwise unconcerned people concerned and then these otherwise unconcerned say, "hey just a minute................so this is what they are actually like and that is why there is so much of hassles that is going around the world"!

I have been to Kashmir. Even the terrorists I have interacted with don't talk like the way I find these forum Moslems (the so called educated Moslems) talk with such utter discard to other peoples' sentiments or views and instead act so superciliously holy, as if them just descended from a powwow and palaver with the Supernatural or Almighty!

These Forum Moslems and the Mullahs quoted in the news makes one feel sort of defiled that such clots are there in this world and they rub shoulders with the world and violate sanity!

lemontree
23 Sep 06,, 04:52
Lemontree,
You do grave injustice to the person who believes that the nun was not killed by a Moslem, because:

1. "Pious" Moslems do not kill. Jihad is only for "self defence" and all acts by Moslems that look aggressive and indeed is aggressive, is but to such Moslems is but an act of self defence. Even the Jihad that has been carried out in history and which the Pope alluded to were but acts of self defence. Don't ask me how such acts by the Sword are acts of self defence, when they were actually for pillage, loot and plunder and convert! As per Islamic logic and which is beyond debate, they were acts of self defence. Therefore, the act of killing the nun was in self defence since the nun could have thrown a Bible at him and thus defile his pureness!

2. All men with Islamic names, when they commit such vile acts, are automatically doing unIslamic acts. They then become non Moslems with Islamic names! It is a different matter if the Mullah praises in the mosque thereafter! Therefore, the assassin could not have been a Moslem while committing the act, but merely a man with an Islamic name!

Sir,
This is for the muslim community to think and address. I am too tired to become philosophical and say that "terrorists" have no religion. As long as they justify their acts of murdering innocent civilians, our beliefs only get re-inforced.

The recent uproar of a muslim cleric in Britain during the Home Ministers address in community hall, reflects this attitude of 'playing the victim'.

smilingassassin
23 Sep 06,, 05:04
there is no evidence muslims did this

Your right....Christians shoot 4 shots into a nuns in the back all the time!

gunnut
23 Sep 06,, 06:27
Your right....Christians shoot 4 shots into a nuns in the back all the time!

Let's not jump into conclusions. It could honestly be just a case of random robbery or revenge killing for something she did in the past. Of course nothing was taken... so the robbery theory is out.

Ray
23 Sep 06,, 06:52
Lemontree,

If you had worked with me you would have got used to my style of writing.

My post dripped with sarcasm.

I cannot stand deceit or pigheadedness and what the Islamists dole out is that that! They are beyond philoaophy.

For most Moslems, education deserted them after the days of Al Baruni.

Ray
23 Sep 06,, 06:55
Let's not jump into conclusions. It could honestly be just a case of random robbery or revenge killing for something she did in the past. Of course nothing was taken... so the robbery theory is out.

It is of course true that Moslem don't all go pumping bullets into nuns.

Revenge? Robbery?

Maybe.

Revenge against such an ancient thing. Indeed, if that be true some powerful message in the brain of the assassin must be churning with the frenzy of a top gone wild.

lemontree
23 Sep 06,, 07:22
Lemontree,

If you had worked with me you would have got used to my style of writing.

My post dripped with sarcasm.

Ofcourse, I am used to your style of writing, and one has lear'nt a lot from it. Eepecially how to sugar coat bitter sarcasm.:biggrin: