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Archer
16 Sep 06,, 03:34
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/09/16/wrandj16.xml


Delhi wedding for runaway Romeo and Juliet
By Shekhar Bhatia
(Filed: 16/09/2006)


A Muslim teenager who fell in love with a Hindu student on the internet has fled her home in Britain against her parents' wishes and married him in India.
Subia Gaur and Ashwani Gupta at their wedding which was broadcast on television throughout India

The clandestine affair between Subia Gaur, 18, and her boyfriend Ashwani Gupta, 22, has provoked intense media interest on the subcontinent and captured the imagination of the Indian public, who turned up in their hundreds to watch the ceremony.

The traditional Hindu wedding, which took place in Mr Gupta's home town of Ghaziabad, near Delhi, on Monday, was broadcast on television throughout India.

Miss Gaur, from Plaistow, east London, met her husband three years ago in an internet chatroom. They exchanged photographs, began talking secretly through the night and fell in love.

The relationship was conducted in secret for many months before Miss Gaur travelled to India to meet Mr Gupta for the first time, on the pretence of visiting her grandparents in Bombay.

"I knew the first time I met Ashwani in person that he was the one I was going to marry," she said from her new home in India. "It is hard for people to understand what we have been through. My family have put a lot of pressure on me and I didn't want to hurt them, but I had to be with the man that I love.

"Religion doesn't matter. I am Muslim and he is Hindu. I am not converting and he doesn't want me to. Ashwani and his family have accepted me for who I am."

When Miss Gaur's family discovered the relationship while she was studying for her A-Levels at a sixth-form college, she claims they pressed her into ending it. They had planned an arranged wedding for her with a Muslim. But Miss Gaur defied them and flew secretly last month to Delhi to marry Mr Gupta. Her mother, discovering she had gone, took a flight the next day to persuade her to return home. Miss Gaur claims that she and Mr Gupta, who is studying to become a financial analyst, were forced to go into hiding until they could marry.

They were given police protection after claiming that they received threats from her family, an allegation they have denied.

In turn, Miss Gaur's family told police she had been abducted.

After police interviewed the bride-to-be, officers were instructed to ensure that her family were prevented from hindering the marriage.

"I knew they would never accept Ashwani so I decided to go to India," she said. "We thought if we got married then they wouldn't be able to take me back.

"I was a normal 18-year-old Londoner before this. I never wanted the attention that I have received. I couldn't believe 1,000 people turned up uninvited to the wedding because they saw our story on the news. But if there is someone else in my position I hope my story gives them the courage to follow their heart."

Miss Gaur's father, Abdul, 46, a shop manager, fainted at his home in Newham, east London, when he was interviewed about his daughter's fate. He believed she had been "brainwashed".

The first he knew of the wedding, he said, was when he and his wife, Fameeda, 37, turned on an Indian satellite television channel at their home.

"She is a Muslim above all and she has married a Hindu and that is the most shocking thing about this — not that she has lied to us and married against our wishes," he said, weeping.

"I have two daughters and a young boy and we keep a very close watch on them to protect them. Subia likes London and designer perfumes and clothes. But the girls are teenagers and were not allowed out after school or college and certainly not near any men. But we could do nothing to protect our daughter from the evil of the internet. While we slept at night, this evil
came into our home and has led to our daughter marrying a Hindu boy."

Mr Gaur denied he and his wife had made threats to kidnap Subia. "She is part of my body, my first-born child and it is madness to say that we could harm her."

Mr Ashwani's father, BB Gupta, admitted that he was concerned his daughter-in-law was too young to marry but said the couple were determined to go ahead and it was better to allow it than have them run away.

"We are reconciled to it and happy to have her in the household," he said. "It doesn't matter that she is a Muslim."

Just like "Bombay" the movie.

Mr Gaurs attitude is quite medieavalist, but quite common. :frown:
My neighbours in a NIndian town had to run off to the US, when the Muslim family of the bride came to their house with a shotgun! They were pathans or so they claimed and this was an offence!
At least now, times have changed and our wonderful police are doing something.

More power to the young lady and her husband! But I would advise the couple to be careful, still waters run deep and there have been several cases of the "family's honour being reclaimed" ie honor killings. I hope these are Indian muslims and ultimately reconcile.

They should look at the Roshans & the Khans for an example of moderation and modernity.

Tronic
16 Sep 06,, 05:15
very good story... and yes it is sad that some families still have this ultra-conservative feeling but intermixing has become very common... and btw, I know the Khans but whats up with the Roshans???

starsiege
16 Sep 06,, 05:24
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/09/16/wrandj16.xml



Just like "Bombay" the movie.

Mr Gaurs attitude is quite medieavalist, but quite common. :frown:
My neighbours in a NIndian town had to run off to the US, when the Muslim family of the bride came to their house with a shotgun! They were pathans or so they claimed and this was an offence!
At least now, times have changed and our wonderful police are doing something.

More power to the young lady and her husband! But I would advise the couple to be careful, still waters run deep and there have been several cases of the "family's honour being reclaimed" ie honor killings. I hope these are Indian muslims and ultimately reconcile.

They should look at the Roshans & the Khans for an example of moderation and modernity.

this is awesome news!!

Ray
16 Sep 06,, 06:44
Rather silly of people to object to inter religion marriages or intercommunity marraiges in todays times.

Tronic
16 Sep 06,, 14:19
Rather silly of people to object to inter religion marriages or intercommunity marraiges in todays times.
Ray, yes it is silly but it happens... that is the reason usually one person with wits is needed to break this conservative belief of the family... in my case, it was my cousin... She went through first and pretty much opened the doors for all of us... She also forced many of us to reveal our current relationships to our parents.... and I have to say, it is MUCH easier now.... All the parents can relate and sympathize with each other... lol... and we don't have to break a sweat now, all worried that our parents might find out... hehe.... I think if everyone simply opened up to their parents; a lot of this conservative society will break... it is better your parents finding out sooner then later; you'll actually do good for the rest of the country's youth... ;)

Akshay
16 Sep 06,, 15:24
As Tronic pointed out that it takes only one person to break the conservative cauldron. It is true only incase if the society itself is willing to accept change where everybody waits for someone to take initiative. I am from an ultra-conservative Kanya-kunja Brahmin samaj where the marriages were restricted to with-in the society i.e. the other Kanya-kubja families. But, things have changed & we have all willingly accepted them except ofcourse for my Grand-Parents who still believe that it is necessary to keep a pure bloodline. Anyways, but in a claustrophobic society it is not possible. Society should be willing to accept change which is non-existent in the middle-class muslims. More than the grief of their loving daughter marrying a Hindu, it is the fear of the draconian social laws that bears upon the minds of Parents. I feel terrible for the poor father who would now be barred from entering into local Eastham mosque. Also, none of the other British-Pakistani family would accept his other daughter in their family. The words are going to spread to West ham, Hounslow & all the way to Bradford/Manchester.

gilgamesh
16 Sep 06,, 17:23
it is better your parents finding out sooner then later; you'll actually do good for the rest of the country's youth... ;)

Doing good for rest of the country's youth, eh?

I have heard some lame excuses before, "I would like to join RAW someday and who knows? I may be required to be seen with chicks to fool the Pakistanis, so I am practicing now."

Tronic
16 Sep 06,, 18:14
Doing good for rest of the country's youth, eh?

I have heard some lame excuses before, "I would like to join RAW someday and who knows? I may be required to be seen with chicks to fool the Pakistanis, so I am practicing now."
heh... so you're a conservative???

Archer
16 Sep 06,, 19:16
Well just because you are having fun does not mean the rest of the country is also lucky, you scallywag!:rolleyes: :tongue: ;)

Archer
16 Sep 06,, 19:17
very good story... and yes it is sad that some families still have this ultra-conservative feeling but intermixing has become very common... and btw, I know the Khans but whats up with the Roshans???


Hrithik Roshan married a Muslim, Feroz Khans daughter. Aamir and Shahrukh both married Hindu girls. That a$$hole Arbaz married Malaika (lucky so & so!!)

Archer
16 Sep 06,, 19:18
BTW, this is the disturbing bit in the above-


""She is a Muslim above all and she has married a Hindu and that is the most shocking thing about this — not that she has lied to us and married against our wishes," he said, weeping. "

This attitude is too common amongst even many educated Muslims and seriously needs to change jmho.

Ab,

Actually her sisters and bro are gonna have a hell of a time now. Their life is gonna be spent under lock and key!

Tronic
16 Sep 06,, 20:27
Hrithik Roshan married a Muslim, Feroz Khans daughter. Aamir and Shahrukh both married Hindu girls. That a$$hole Arbaz married Malaika (lucky so & so!!)
ahh... I didn't know Hritikh was married...


BTW, this is the disturbing bit in the above-



This attitude is too common amongst even many educated Muslims and seriously needs to change jmho.
yea... I doubt that will change in Islamic countries or Western countries though... in Western countries I see that immigrants for some reason become more conservative then where they come from.... over here, I think the attitude is already changing.... it is becoming evident in our schools, colleges and universities... The attitude like the one you pointed out might never change for the people who hold it, but atleast there are less and less people who are growing up to pick up on that attitude.... soon, we'll just flood out these ultra-conservatives...

Officer of Engineers
16 Sep 06,, 21:36
Don't want to sound the spoil sport but there is no way their marriage would ever live up to the hype.

joey2
16 Sep 06,, 21:47
If the girl lives here with the boy the marriage will live up to the expectations.i'm sure they r gonna have a happy life and i hope they do! :)

infact now a days government is promoting interracial marriages to have a bridge in the poor-rich peoples.
if someone marries a tribal girl (sc/st means scheduld caste/scheduld tribes) he gets around 10000 i think sometimes 50000 bucks as free gift from government.

..each individual shud have 100% right to be with the one they want vice versa.

Officer of Engineers
16 Sep 06,, 22:03
They're the centre of attention and like it or not, that's part of the reason they got married. What happens when no one cares anymore? And the real day-to-day mundane life of marriage comes into play? Things like the plumping, broken dishes, a clean house, a good neighbourhood, and getting along with the in-laws.

joey2
16 Sep 06,, 22:17
Well it may be or may not be, because I personally think its highly unlikely that they got married just for the sake to get attention.
They are matured and did what best suits them.
Lets see it this way as the girls dad said they were looking for her to get married somewhere else preferably a rich family from UK ,so i dont think if its not "love" ,a girl will jeopardise her happy marriage life with someone better off financially and geographically [close to her family] than with someone who lives miles away.

Jay
16 Sep 06,, 22:21
They're the centre of attention and like it or not, that's part of the reason they got married. What happens when no one cares anymore? And the real day-to-day mundane life of marriage comes into play? Things like the plumping, broken dishes, a clean house, a good neighbourhood, and getting along with the in-laws.

Sir,
We already had one of those marriages in the South. Arab girl from Kuwait married a local guy with the same hoopla and surprisingly they are still together :)

Akshay
17 Sep 06,, 08:30
Ab,

Actually her sisters and bro are gonna have a hell of a time now. Their life is gonna be spent under lock and key!

Brother might still escape but the other sister is now going to have a total fvcked up life. She would probably be barred from going to College/school and her parents would start looking for a muslim groom asap before the words spread around.

Archer
17 Sep 06,, 08:56
Thats exactly whats gonna happen! Poor kid :-/

Tronic
17 Sep 06,, 15:17
Brother might still escape but the other sister is now going to have a total fvcked up life. She would probably be barred from going to College/school and her parents would start looking for a muslim groom asap before the words spread around.
what if she runs away from home too??? remember, the tighter you try to grasp sand in your fist, the faster it slips out... (lol... loosely translated...)

Bill
17 Sep 06,, 16:31
"She is a Muslim above all and she has married a Hindu and that is the most shocking thing about this not that she has lied to us and married against our wishes," he said, weeping.

"I have two daughters and a young boy and we keep a very close watch on them to protect them. Subia likes London and designer perfumes and clothes. But the girls are teenagers and were not allowed out after school or college and certainly not near any men. But we could do nothing to protect our daughter from the evil of the internet. While we slept at night, this evil
came into our home and has led to our daughter marrying a Hindu boy."

A seemingly large % of muslims are sick twisted fuccks.

Bill
17 Sep 06,, 16:39
what if she runs away from home too??? remember, the tighter you try to grasp sand in your fist, the faster it slips out... (lol... loosely translated...)
"The more you tighten your grip, the more systems will slip through your fingers"
~Princess Leia to Darth Vader, Episode IV

Akshay
17 Sep 06,, 18:02
what if she runs away from home too??? remember, the tighter you try to grasp sand in your fist, the faster it slips out... (lol... loosely translated...)

Honestly speaking I don't see that happening. There is more likeliness that she might be killed rather than allowed to elope. Her parents are definately going to play cautious. So my assumptions are

1) She'll be interrogated to reveal her contacts about her friends.

2) She'll be partly blamed for hatching up the conspiracy or atleast knowing about it but not revealing it.

3) Hence, She'll be forcefully confined within the 4-walls of the house, contacts with her friends severed, ofcourse not to mention the use of evils of the modern world, internet & TV would be strictly not permitted.

4) Her parents are now going to make a journey back to aborogin land (my guess is Pakistan) & hunt for suitable groom.

OTOH, Brother would be persuaded to turn to religious studies. He'll be brainwashed to avenge for this face-losing incident by marrying a Kaafir & converting her into Allah's beloved believer. So,this way poor father would be saved from going to hell.

Tronic
17 Sep 06,, 19:37
"The more you tighten your grip, the more systems will slip through your fingers"
~Princess Leia to Darth Vader, Episode IV
heh... she says that??? Its actually an old Indian saying...

Tronic
17 Sep 06,, 19:37
Honestly speaking I don't see that happening. There is more likeliness that she might be killed rather than allowed to elope. Her parents are definately going to play cautious. So my assumptions are

1) She'll be interrogated to reveal her contacts about her friends.

2) She'll be partly blamed for hatching up the conspiracy or atleast knowing about it but not revealing it.

3) Hence, She'll be forcefully confined within the 4-walls of the house, contacts with her friends severed, ofcourse not to mention the use of evils of the modern world, internet & TV would be strictly not permitted.

4) Her parents are now going to make a journey back to aborogin land (my guess is Pakistan) & hunt for suitable groom.

OTOH, Brother would be persuaded to turn to religious studies. He'll be brainwashed to avenge for this face-losing incident by marrying a Kaafir & converting her into Allah's beloved believer. So,this way poor father would be saved from going to hell.
if she's smart, she'll make a run for it...

Bill
18 Sep 06,, 06:15
heh... she says that??? Its actually an old Indian saying...
You've never seen Star Wars?

Samudra
18 Sep 06,, 07:02
Not many Star wars fans in India I guess...

joey2
18 Sep 06,, 07:13
heh :P it was famous here seen it loong ago didnt even quite remember now .. star wars , emperor strikes back , return of the jedi :P

Akshay
18 Sep 06,, 08:48
You've never seen Star Wars?

I have to ask you how many times have you seen it? I have a DVD collection of all 6 episodes & yet I cannot remember anything other than the Power of the Dark side.

Tronic
18 Sep 06,, 15:19
You've never seen Star Wars?
i've seen Episodes one, four, five and six... still have yet to see the second and third...... I can recall all the scenes, no dialogues... lol.... except for, "Luke... I am your father.".... lol..... and then him jumping off that thing....

starsiege
19 Sep 06,, 04:23
Sir,
We already had one of those marriages in the South. Arab girl from Kuwait married a local guy with the same hoopla and surprisingly they are still together :)

well...in north america the divorce rate is in at about 70% hence folks from that region tend to be sceptical about marriages.I doubt they realise thats not so in the east.

starsiege
19 Sep 06,, 04:25
Honestly speaking I don't see that happening. There is more likeliness that she might be killed rather than allowed to elope. Her parents are definately going to play cautious. So my assumptions are

1) She'll be interrogated to reveal her contacts about her friends.

2) She'll be partly blamed for hatching up the conspiracy or atleast knowing about it but not revealing it.

3) Hence, She'll be forcefully confined within the 4-walls of the house, contacts with her friends severed, ofcourse not to mention the use of evils of the modern world, internet & TV would be strictly not permitted.

4) Her parents are now going to make a journey back to aborogin land (my guess is Pakistan) & hunt for suitable groom.

OTOH, Brother would be persuaded to turn to religious studies. He'll be brainwashed to avenge for this face-losing incident by marrying a Kaafir & converting her into Allah's beloved believer. So,this way poor father would be saved from going to hell.

my thoughts exactly!!!!!!!!!!

Ray
19 Sep 06,, 05:08
May they live happily ever after.

Tronic
19 Sep 06,, 16:37
amen...

Ray
19 Sep 06,, 17:08
How is it that Feline aka Jana has not commented as yet in her usual warped style?

667medic
19 Sep 06,, 17:59
How is it that Feline aka Jana has not commented as yet in her usual warped style?

It is funny when a grown up lady behaves like a 10 year old PDF kid.....

Tronic
19 Sep 06,, 19:17
How is it that Feline aka Jana has not commented as yet in her usual warped style?
maybe she's realized her stupidity at trying to run multis from the same computer....