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mega-drive
25 Aug 06,, 07:21
Here's a site i got from a friend which shows evidences that Taj Mahal was the Lord Shiva temple and it existed 300 centuries even before Shah Jahan even existed. It was then called as Tejo Mahalaya. There is also evidence of other monuments like Red Fort, Qutub Minar, Humayun's tomb had vedic influence.The site also shows pictures of the Vedic culture spread in other parts of the world.

Here's the link for the site - Click here to see the site (http://www.stephen-knapp.com/was_the_taj_mahal_a_vedic_temple.htm)

hound
25 Aug 06,, 10:08
I did not visit the link but it is said that Kabba in Saudi Arabia was also a Vedic temple and the rock there is actually a Shivlingam. Infact in the inner chambers and wall, statues and mantrams are still engraved and public is not allowed to visit these areas. Shivaism is the oldest spiritual path like 10,000 years. Visit www.natha.dk for good readings.

gilgamesh
25 Aug 06,, 10:44
www.natha.dk

Where a Lion shall "lay" down with a blond bombshell? :biggrin:

667medic
25 Aug 06,, 14:11
www.natha.dk

Where a Lion shall "lay" down with a blond bombshell? :biggrin:
The baitch looks more like a tranny....

gilgamesh
25 Aug 06,, 14:17
The baitch looks more like a tranny....

Prolly a she-male. :biggrin:

Tronic
25 Aug 06,, 15:06
Here's a site i got from a friend which shows evidences that Taj Mahal was the Lord Shiva temple and it existed 300 centuries even before Shah Jahan even existed. It was then called as Tejo Mahalaya. There is also evidence of other monuments like Red Fort, Qutub Minar, Humayun's tomb had vedic influence.The site also shows pictures of the Vedic culture spread in other parts of the world.

Here's the link for the site - Click here to see the site (http://www.stephen-knapp.com/was_the_taj_mahal_a_vedic_temple.htm)
hmmm... maybe Taj Mahal was built on an ancient site but it defenitely has Moghul influence (i.e. the architecture and style...)

Jay
25 Aug 06,, 22:07
i remember, St.Peters basilica was also a hindu temple dedicated to Ravana.

Tronic
25 Aug 06,, 22:41
i remember, St.Peters basilica was also a hindu temple dedicated to Ravana.
lol... and the Kaaba at Mecca was dedicated to Vishnu... :biggrin:

mega-drive
26 Aug 06,, 02:56
hmmm... maybe Taj Mahal was built on an ancient site but it defenitely has Moghul influence (i.e. the architecture and style...)

Taj mahal/Tejo mahalay was already built before Shah Jahan's reign. It was brought from the Jaipur Maharaja Jaisingh, redocorated in moghul style.
These r some proof from the site -:

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1.The term Tajmahal itself never occurs in any mogul court paper or chronicle even in Aurangzeb's time. The attempt to explain it away as Taj-i-mahal is therefore, ridiculous.

2.The ending "Mahal"is never muslim because in none of the muslim countries around the world from Afghanistan to Algeria is there a building known as "Mahal".

3.The unusual explanation of the term Tajmahal derives from Mumtaz Mahal, who is buried in it, is illogical in at least two respects viz., firstly her name was never Mumtaj Mahal but Mumtaz-ul-Zamani and secondly one cannot omit the first three letters "Mum" from a woman's name to derive the remainder as the name of the building.

4.Since the lady's name was Mumtaz (ending with 'Z') the name of the building derived from her should have been Taz Mahal, if at all, and not Taj (spelled with a 'J').

5.Several European visitors of Shahjahan's time allude to the building as Taj-e-Mahal is almost the correct tradition, age old Sanskrit name Tej-o-Mahalaya, signifying a Shiva temple. Contrarily Shahjahan and Aurangzeb scrupulously avoid using the Sanskrit term and call it just a holy grave.

6.The tomb should be understood to signify NOT A BUILDING but only the grave or centotaph inside it. This would help people to realize that all dead muslim courtiers and royalty including Humayun, Akbar, Mumtaz, Etmad-ud-Daula and Safdarjang have been buried in capture Hindu mansions and temples.

7.Moreover, if the Taj is believed to be a burial place, how can the term Mahal, i.e., mansion apply to it?

8.Since the term Taj Mahal does not occur in mogul courts it is absurd to search for any mogul explanation for it. Both its components namely, 'Taj' and' Mahal' are of Sanskrit origin.

DOCUMENTARY EVIDENCE

18. Shahjahan's own court chronicle, the Badshahnama, admits (page 403, vol 1) that a grand mansion of unique splendor, capped with a dome (Imaarat-a-Alishan wa Gumbaze) was taken from the Jaipur Maharaja Jaisigh for Mumtaz's burial, and the building was known as Raja Mansingh's palace.

19. The plaque put the archealogy department outside the Tajmahal describes the edifice as a mausoleum built by Shahjahan for his wife Mumtaz Mahal , over 22 years from 1631 to 1653. That plaque is a specimen of historical bungling. Firstly, the plaque sites no authority for its claim. Secondly the lady's name was Mumtaz-ulZamani and not Mumtazmahal. Thirdly, the period of 22 years is taken from some mumbo jumbo noting by an unreliable French visitor Tavernier, to the exclusion of all muslim versions, which is an absurdity.

20. Prince Aurangzeb's letter to his father,emperor Shahjahan,is recorded in atleast three chronicles titled `Aadaab-e-Alamgiri', `Yadgarnama', and the `Muruqqa-i-Akbarabadi' (edited by Said Ahmed, Agra, 1931, page 43, footnote 2). In that letter Aurangzeb records in 1652 A.D itself that the several buildings in the fancied burial place of Mumtaz were seven storeyed and were so old that they were all leaking, while the dome had developed a crack on the northern side.Aurangzeb, therefore, ordered immediate repairs to the buildings at his own expense while recommending to the emperor that more elaborate repairs be carried out later. This is the proof that during Shahjahan's reign itself that the Taj complex was so old as to need immediate repairs.

21. The ex-Maharaja of Jaipur retains in his secret personal `KapadDwara' collection two orders from Shahjahan dated Dec 18, 1633 (bearing modern nos. R.176 and 177) requestioning the Taj building complex. That was so blatant a usurpation that the then ruler of Jaipur was ashamed to make the document public.

22. The Rajasthan State archives at Bikaner preserve three other firmans addressed by Shahjahan to the Jaipur's ruler Jaising ordering the latter to supply marble (for Mumtaz's grave and koranic grafts) from his Makranna quarris, and stone cutters. Jaisingh was apparently so enraged at the blatant seizure of the Tajmahal that he refused to oblige Shahjahan by providing marble for grafting koranic engravings and fake centotaphs for further desecration of the Tajmahal. Jaising looked at Shahjahan's demand for marble and stone cutters, as an insult added to injury. Therefore, he refused to send any marble and instead detained the stone cutters in his protective custody.

23. The three firmans demanding marble were sent to Jaisingh within about two years of Mumtaz's death. Had Shahjahan really built the Tajmahal over a period of 22 years, the marble would have needed only after 15 or 20 years not immediately after Mumtaz's death.

24. Moreover, the three mention neither the Tajmahal, nor Mumtaz, nor the burial. The cost and the quantity of the stone also are not mentioned. This proves that an insignificant quantity of marble was needed just for some supercial tinkering and tampering with the Tajmahal. Even otherwise Shahjahan could never hope to build a fabulous Tajmahal by abject dependence for marble on a non cooperative Jaisingh

To see more views visit the site Click here to goto the site (http://www.stephen-knapp.com/true_story_of_the_taj_mahal.htm)

mega-drive
26 Aug 06,, 03:03
Sorry about the spelling error - redecorated*

gilgamesh
26 Aug 06,, 03:21
With geo-thermal imaging they should be able to see sub-structures underneath, if any.

hound
26 Aug 06,, 03:42
'lol... and the Kaaba at Mecca was dedicated to Vishnu'

http://www.hinduism.co.za/kaabaa.htm

tronic, you sikhs like to make fun of the hindu religion but you should know that you sikhs have a religion with no actual root or basis, it was a bastardly compromise to please/stop the invading mughals from beheading you all, yours is a religion of surrender and that is why sikhs prosituted themselves to Pakos in 1984. India should be very careful of the sikhs in both peace and war time.

Archer
26 Aug 06,, 03:47
'lol... and the Kaaba at Mecca was dedicated to Vishnu'

http://www.hinduism.co.za/kaabaa.htm

tronic, you sikhs like to make fun of the hindu religion but you should know that you sikhs have a religion with no actual root or basis, it was a bastardly compromise to please/stop the invading mughals from beheading you all, yours is a religion of surrender and that is why sikhs prosituted themselves to Pakos in 1984. India should be very careful of the sikhs in both peace and war time.

Hound dont be an idiot. The Sikh gurus protected many Hindus. So what if they dont identify with some Hindu practises, all religions especially relatively new ones which are seeking to carve out their own identity, differentiate themselves by pointing out elements of their "old faith" that they dont agree with.

Also you have no clue about the ties between hindus and Sikhs and how deep they are. In Punjab, in many Hindu families, the eldest son would become a Sikh out of tradition, whilst the remaining family would continue to be Hindu. Shrines such as Vaishno Devi see a large number of Sikhs visiting.

That apart, whatever some Sikhs may say about Hindus or whatever, by and large, the Sikhs have protected Hindus and others from the depredations of Mughals. The Sikh community has contributed immeasurably to modern India as well. Your comments ridiculing their faith are in bad taste, reflect badly on you, and for Lords sake, get some sense before acting like such a boor.

Archer
26 Aug 06,, 03:49
Sorry about the spelling error - redecorated*

That is NOT proof. Those are conjecture. In fifty odd years of Indian existence, has nobody ever been able to get inside the Taj Mahal and prove these claims?
These claims not regarded as particularly credible amongst historians, even amongst those who have reversed the trend of Marxist whitewashing of Islamic depradations in India.

Tronic
26 Aug 06,, 04:21
Hound dont be an idiot. The Sikh gurus protected many Hindus. So what if they dont identify with some Hindu practises, all religions especially relatively new ones which are seeking to carve out their own identity, differentiate themselves by pointing out elements of their "old faith" that they dont agree with.

Also you have no clue about the ties between hindus and Sikhs and how deep they are. In Punjab, in many Hindu families, the eldest son would become a Sikh out of tradition, whilst the remaining family would continue to be Hindu. Shrines such as Vaishno Devi see a large number of Sikhs visiting.

That apart, whatever some Sikhs may say about Hindus or whatever, by and large, the Sikhs have protected Hindus and others from the depredations of Mughals. The Sikh community has contributed immeasurably to modern India as well. Your comments ridiculing their faith are in bad taste, reflect badly on you, and for Lords sake, get some sense before acting like such a boor.
thanx for that bro... but posts by trolls shouldn't be taken to heart... I don't... ;)

krishna
26 Aug 06,, 08:03
'lol... and the Kaaba at Mecca was dedicated to Vishnu'

http://www.hinduism.co.za/kaabaa.htm

tronic, you sikhs like to make fun of the hindu religion but you should know that you sikhs have a religion with no actual root or basis, it was a bastardly compromise to please/stop the invading mughals from beheading you all, yours is a religion of surrender and that is why sikhs prosituted themselves to Pakos in 1984. India should be very careful of the sikhs in both peace and war time.
You are really crossing your limits.

hound
26 Aug 06,, 08:25
'Also you have no clue about the ties between hindus and Sikhs and how deep they are.'

They were close and friendly but after 1980s they lost the trust with the hindus and will have to earn it back. They gained nothing from being a prostitute to the Pakos.

Making fun or pointing present deficiencies of hinduism can be tolerated but making fun of Hindu Gods is calling for bangboozelbanger response. Muslims do not make such offensive comments as Sikhs do about our religion.......that is because Muslims know that they would not get away with that and Sikhs know and see that they can (under the guise of past understanding).

Ray
26 Aug 06,, 11:15
I did not visit the link but it is said that Kabba in Saudi Arabia was also a Vedic temple and the rock there is actually a Shivlingam. Infact in the inner chambers and wall, statues and mantrams are still engraved and public is not allowed to visit these areas. Shivaism is the oldest spiritual path like 10,000 years. Visit www.natha.dk for good readings.

I heard that too.

Must be total humbug!

Though, it is a pagan temple that was converted.

They were moon worshippers I believe.

It is also interesting that the Moslems also have the moon as their sign what they call Hillal!

SLASH
26 Aug 06,, 13:03
I heard that too.

Must be total humbug!

Though, it is a pagan temple that was converted.

They were moon worshippers I believe.

It is also interesting that the Moslems also have the moon as their sign what they call Hillal!

Aren't Hindus also called Pagans in the arab world.Hindusim is one of the Worlds Oldest Religions and has NO single founder.Indo-Arab and Indo-Arab trade relations date back thousands of years back.
Takshila the oldest university in the world which dates back to 5 century BC had student coming from outside the Indian frontiers(Cenral Asia,China,Middle east etc) who were taught about Vedic culture,Astronomy,Math and Physics.

There used to be 360 statues in Kabba most of them were destroyed by the Prophet.It is very likely that the Kabba along with other Pagan gods also had Hindu gods(Vishnu and Shiva).

joey2
26 Aug 06,, 16:43
^^ agree with you its sanatan religion means true hinduism has no bounds and no rules. it just say to live with the nature and try to do the best which suits the nature best.
i mean the aryan hinduism not the mixed after lots of !@#$ invaded india.

Tronic
26 Aug 06,, 18:00
They were close and friendly but after 1980s they lost the trust with the hindus and will have to earn it back. They gained nothing from being a prostitute to the Pakos.
and it were Sikh soldiers, Sikh generals and Sikh Police which rooted Sikh terrorism out of Punjab... but please enlighten me on how many people were thrown behind bars in regard to the burning alive of Sikhs in Delhi...


Making fun or pointing present deficiencies of hinduism can be tolerated but making fun of Hindu Gods is calling for bangboozelbanger response. Muslims do not make such offensive comments as Sikhs do about our religion.......that is because Muslims know that they would not get away with that and Sikhs know and see that they can (under the guise of past understanding).
gimme a break... you're a big time sore looser... Firstly, no one made fun of any Hindu god... secondly there are enough Sardar jokes circulating EVERYWHERE... and how many Sikhs are found complaining about those??? we just laugh them off...

btw Hound, whenever this Country is in need, Sikhs are the first one to shed their blood for this country... at that time people like you are holed up inside their houses... only afterwards you can come out of your hole and start making wise comments again...

Archer
26 Aug 06,, 22:42
'Also you have no clue about the ties between hindus and Sikhs and how deep they are.'

[QUOTE]They were close and friendly but after 1980s they lost the trust with the hindus and will have to earn it back. They gained nothing from being a prostitute to the Pakos.

BS. Sikhs and Hindus work together, live together and the events of the 80's are in the past.


Making fun or pointing present deficiencies of hinduism can be tolerated but making fun of Hindu Gods is calling for bangboozelbanger response. Muslims do not make such offensive comments as Sikhs do about our religion.......that is because Muslims know that they would not get away with that and Sikhs know and see that they can (under the guise of past understanding).

WTF is bangboozelbanger response? Are you drunk? There are idiots in very community, attacking an entire community based on the actions of a few fanatics and that too, one which has served India with distinction is bloody stupid. A Sikh guru was tortured to death by the Mughals for protecting Hindus who came to him for protection. Would you have had the b@lls to do anything like that? And you call the entire community cowards?
Learn to moderate your response and hold mature views. Your comments reflect poorly on your co-citizens and reek of hatred.

hound
27 Aug 06,, 02:52
'but please enlighten me on how many people were thrown behind bars in regard to the burning alive of Sikhs in Delhi...'

deeds were committed by the angry mobs, those identified were punished, you cannot jail a whole suburb where the acts/riots took place.

'whenever this Country is in need, Sikhs are the first one to shed their blood for this country'

After 1984, the Indian Defense Forces restricted state representation to 2%, so 90% of the forces will/is comprise of Hindus.

'at that time people like you are holed up inside their houses'
I am not a military man or reserves, so have not been called up for the frontal duty yet. anyways, your comment has no basis.....nonsense!

Archer, please do not quote to instances that happened 100s of years ago. Recent history is more helpful. Defense of India is not a Sikh franchise anymore. Sikhs show very arrogant and disrespectful attitude towards Hindu religion now, you should see their demeanor once they are outside India, this shows what really is in their hearts while they are in India.

BTW, a sikh *****slapped India hard by selling secrets to CIA and then defected to the US.

'Your comments reflect poorly on your co-citizens and reek of hatred.'
India has been on the recieving end of hatred for nearly 1000 years now, so about time we develop some of it towards others, that's only human psychology.

I do not hate Sikhs, but am very suspicious of them.....trust but verify!

kams
27 Aug 06,, 03:53
Archer, please do not quote to instances that happened 100s of years ago.


India has been on the recieving end of hatred for nearly 1000 years now, so about time we develop some of it towards others, that's only human psychology.

I do not hate Sikhs, but am very suspicious of them.....trust but verify!

Man you do have a problem :eek: In one line you are asking Archer not to quote instances happend 100 years ago, then you want to pay back for all the so called hatred India received for past 1000 yrs. and you also supported what happend in Gujarat.

Sikhs, Rajputs have borne the brunt of agression on India for many centuries. They were the first line of defence against Persian, Afghan invaders (along with Solanki Dynasty in Gujarat). The Sikh Regiment of Indian Army is one of the most decorated regiments of the Indian Army, with 72 Battle Honours, 15 Theatre Honours and 5 COAS Unit Citations besides 2 Param Vir Chakras, 14 Maha Vir Chakras, 5 Kirti Chakras, 67 Vir Chakras and 1596 other gallantry awardsregiments of the Indian Army, with 72 Battle Honours, 15 Theatre Honours and 5 COAS Unit Citations besides 2 Param Vir Chakras, 14 Maha Vir Chakras, 5 Kirti Chakras, 67 Vir Chakras and 1596 other gallantry awards. The Battle of Saragarhi fought by 4th Sikh is considered as epitome of Valour, Courage and sacrifice in the annals of warfare.

I am extremely proud of them and appreciate the sacrifice they have made for my country.

Please do not shame us anyfurther by your hate driven ramblings. You are no different from those religious fanatics who are hell bent on destroying the peace world over.

hound
27 Aug 06,, 05:19
World peace is being destroyed by weaklings like you in India and India as one shameful weakling nation.

Defense of India is not an exclusive Sikh franchise anymore, it never should have been but for weakling shameless cowards like you who hide in their homes and expect others to defend. You are one SUB HINDU.

Please Do not shame us any further???????????????? Go to India dominated by SUB HINDUS like you and maaaaaaan!!!!!!!! what a shame of a nation.......dirty like the worst place on earth!!!!!!!!!!!!!! shows how much pride you people have in yourself and in your religion...........in that area I will congratulate Sikhs, they show pride in themselves and their religion atleast and probably that is why they wanted to breakaway from the shameless Sub Hindus like you.

The real SHAME is the a nation 5 times smaller than your India.....has bangboozelbangered the peace and decomrum in your India.at any time at will. I SPIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tronic
27 Aug 06,, 05:41
World peace is being destroyed by weaklings like you in India and India as one shameful weakling nation.

Defense of India is not an exclusive Sikh franchise anymore, it never should have been but for weakling shameless cowards like you who hide in their homes and expect others to defend. You are one SUB HINDU.

Please Do not shame us any further???????????????? Go to India dominated by SUB HINDUS like you and maaaaaaan!!!!!!!! what a shame of a nation.......dirty like the worst place on earth!!!!!!!!!!!!!! shows how much pride you people have in yourself and in your religion...........in that area I will congratulate Sikhs, they show pride in themselves and their religion atleast and probably that is why they wanted to breakaway from the shameless Sub Hindus like you.

The real SHAME is the a nation 5 times smaller than your India.....has bangboozelbangered the peace and decomrum in your India.at any time at will. I SPIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
first of all.. i'm having major doubts on you even being an Indian... you have no clue about India or Indians...


After 1984, the Indian Defense Forces restricted state representation to 2%, so 90% of the forces will/is comprise of Hindus.
ok, seriously where do you get your news from??? Dalitistan??? Sikhs still comprise 20% of the Indian army... and when someone dare raises their finger at India, then it doesn't really matter what religion you are... Sikhs/Hindus/Christians/Muslims/and any other religion alike will pounce on any agressors that dare try to invade and occupy... and that is what being Indian is all about... something which you will never understand....

hound
27 Aug 06,, 06:45
I am indian but not live there for sometime now.........

Hinduism lost its honor and pride long time ago and thus its people also lost confidence and posititivity among themselves and hence the results that one sees today.

I would commend that Sikhs have played a gallant role in and for India in the past, however in the last 20 years they got misguided and hence all the nonsense that took place and they lost trust and some elements still believe that they can pull it off better with pakos. not a good idea.

India is toooooo big a mess to handle and also responses that one would note from majority of Indians show extreme third worldish points of views and very impractical in many a sense. One Russian told me that India being at the bottom of the several benchmarks shows that there is something gone very wrong with its main religion, some major deviation took place, just the way something might have gone very right with Christanity in the last 500 years or so. Even today Religion guides our lives in a major manner. Worst is trying to change a bunch of people who are very stubborn and think that developing some higher self esteem in their religion/culture/way of life is a definite sort of fanaticism and wrong. One can have higher self esteem and honor and still have good feelings towards others in the nature.

Tronic
27 Aug 06,, 07:30
I am indian but not live there for sometime now.........

Hinduism lost its honor and pride long time ago and thus its people also lost confidence and posititivity among themselves and hence the results that one sees today.

I would commend that Sikhs have played a gallant role in and for India in the past, however in the last 20 years they got misguided and hence all the nonsense that took place and they lost trust and some elements still believe that they can pull it off better with pakos. not a good idea.

India is toooooo big a mess to handle and also responses that one would note from majority of Indians show extreme third worldish points of views and very impractical in many a sense. One Russian told me that India being at the bottom of the several benchmarks shows that there is something gone very wrong with its main religion, some major deviation took place, just the way something might have gone very right with Christanity in the last 500 years or so. Even today Religion guides our lives in a major manner. Worst is trying to change a bunch of people who are very stubborn and think that developing some higher self esteem in their religion/culture/way of life is a definite sort of fanaticism and wrong. One can have higher self esteem and honor and still have good feelings towards others in the nature.
You still know nothing about Indians... You my friend have been living outside India too long and now you wish to tell us that Indians are all messed up (and I presume you are saying this because all religions get respected here EQUALY)... well, sorry... we are who we are... if you don't like it... thats too bad...

Archer
27 Aug 06,, 07:43
'but please enlighten me on how many people were thrown behind bars in regard to the burning alive of Sikhs in Delhi...'

deeds were committed by the angry mobs, those identified were punished, you cannot jail a whole suburb where the acts/riots took place.

So? By your own logic all hindus should be held accountable, eh?

'whenever this Country is in need, Sikhs are the first one to shed their blood for this country'


After 1984, the Indian Defense Forces restricted state representation to 2%, so 90% of the forces will/is comprise of Hindus.

15% of the IA is Sikh, think of that. 2% of the Indian population contributing to that.

'at that time people like you are holed up inside their houses'


I am not a military man or reserves, so have not been called up for the frontal duty yet. anyways, your comment has no basis.....nonsense!

Given your hate, you would end up attacking your fellow soldiers thinking them to be the "enemy".


Archer, please do not quote to instances that happened 100s of years ago. Recent history is more helpful. Defense of India is not a Sikh franchise anymore. Sikhs show very arrogant and disrespectful attitude towards Hindu religion now, you should see their demeanor once they are outside India, this shows what really is in their hearts while they are in India.

Dude, please realise, the ones outside India are perverted by those who preach hate, Indian Sikhs are different. There is a reason why Khalistan "lives on" in a few idiots outside, not in India.


BTW, a sikh *****slapped India hard by selling secrets to CIA and then defected to the US.

So did a bunch of hindus, and a few christians. Money speaks of everyone.


'Your comments reflect poorly on your co-citizens and reek of hatred.'
India has been on the recieving end of hatred for nearly 1000 years now, so about time we develop some of it towards others, that's only human psychology.

Oh wow, so now we have to look at 100's of years, till now we should look at only a few random examples picked to choose your bias.


I do not hate Sikhs, but am very suspicious of them.....trust but verify!

Your "suspicions" are basically your own ignorance, which has caused fear and then bigotry to replace common sense.

Archer
27 Aug 06,, 07:48
I am indian but not live there for sometime now.........

Rather obvious..


Hinduism lost its honor and pride long time ago and thus its people also lost confidence and posititivity among themselves and hence the results that one sees today.

BS. Hindus are proud of who and what they are. They dont need you to sing their dirge.


I would commend that Sikhs have played a gallant role in and for India in the past, however in the last 20 years they got misguided and hence all the nonsense that took place and they lost trust and some elements still believe that they can pull it off better with pakos. not a good idea.

Some elements exist in all religions. There are Hindus who attack their fellow hindus and kill them, murder them...should they be used to typecast the vast majority of their religion?




India is toooooo big a mess to handle and also responses that one would note from majority of Indians show extreme third worldish points of views and very impractical in many a sense.

In contrast to most Indians on this board, it are your views which are ludicrous, impractical and reek of immaturity and bigotry. You are a disgrace, if you even are an Indian, and not a multi.



One Russian told me that India being at the bottom of the several benchmarks shows that there is something gone very wrong with its main religion, some major deviation took place, just the way something might have gone very right with Christanity in the last 500 years or so. Even today Religion guides our lives in a major manner. Worst is trying to change a bunch of people who are very stubborn and think that developing some higher self esteem in their religion/culture/way of life is a definite sort of fanaticism and wrong. One can have higher self esteem and honor and still have good feelings towards others in the nature.

BS. India has survived colonization and far more deprivation than most other countries and yet retains its culture showing its resilience and pride. And in terms of economic indices is advancing forward daily. It does not need you or your imaginary Russian friends.

Admins, please look into the antics of this Hound chap- he does not appear to be what he claims to be.

Ray
27 Aug 06,, 08:38
Hound,

You sure are not an Indian.

I am amazed at your convoluted arguments.

Which part of the subcontinent do you actually come from? ;)

gilgamesh
27 Aug 06,, 08:43
An average Sardar is as Patriotic(or unpatriotric) as any other Indian. Historically, in British India, Sardars along with the Rajputs and Garhwals were considered of superior warrior stock, an image reinforced by the British military recruitment methods.

They (especially the Rajputs) would proudly display their service medals and brag about their service to the British masters by fighting other Indians. Sardars were somewhat better on that count. At least they proudly participated in India's freedom struggle.

This superior fighting stock image took a brow beating after Tamil Tigers walloped some serious tail in the sub-continent.

As far a expat Sardars are concerned, time zone difference messes up their 12 'o Clock re-charge. Therefore the unsettling behavior.:biggrin:

hound
27 Aug 06,, 10:31
Ray Dude,

The same part of the subcontinent that you did...............but living abroad made me look at the things in a different perspective. and yes i have been abroad for more than a decade now.

India is growing economically and importantly India is also getting exposed to the advanced world to take notes and improve. The challenge would be to not take notes only in the things that bring vice in the society.

Archer:
Real honor and pride are very different from government/media induced patriotism. your views are patriotic but show little or other REAL stuff.

Archer
27 Aug 06,, 12:08
Archer:
Real honor and pride are very different from government/media induced patriotism. your views are patriotic but show little or other REAL stuff.

Hound, my "pride" and perception of honor need no certificate from you. You wouldnt know the meaning of those two words if they bit you on your A$$.

You are no better than those Sikh fanatics you claim to be raging against. And that is clear to any fellow who reads through your bile. Try divide and rule elsewhere old boy. I stand with *Indian Sikhs* and their culture, since they are my fellow citizens and I respect their achievements.

I dont need trolls like you to come and rubbish them, whilst pretending to be defending Hinduism from Khalistani fanatics. In case you still want to pretend otherwise, your actions depict you to be the same as them.

Those fools dont know India or left it ages back, and sitting in their insular towers of bigotry, they now preach a mantra of hate and insularity, whilst coming up with convoluted explanations using religion to justify their own insecurity and sense of weakness for what they perceieve as historical wrongs. They have little to do with the vast majority of Indian Sikhs, who despite the events of the 80's are back in the national mainstream and PROUD INDIANS!

The key image from even a cricket match in Pakistan was a trio of Sardars with a HUGE INDIAN FLAG. They are on our borders, in Indian labs, in our companies, they ARE US.

You are doing much the same as the expat Khalistanis though and you think you are different? Hinduism and its Gods and Goddesses, dont need you on an internet forum to spew venom against Sikhism and by doing so, you arent defending it either. All you are doing is displaying that you have a chip on your bloody shoulder and you are too immature to act otherwise.

mega-drive
27 Aug 06,, 12:59
That is NOT proof. Those are conjecture. In fifty odd years of Indian existence, has nobody ever been able to get inside the Taj Mahal and prove these claims?
These claims not regarded as particularly credible amongst historians, even amongst those who have reversed the trend of Marxist whitewashing of Islamic depradations in India.

It seems that ASI had already been investigating Taj Mahal and other monuments. They had taken the pictures but those pictures were smuggled outside India. ASI had kept mum maybe due to pressure from the politicians that can cause communal riots.
Here's an extract from the site -:

These photographs are taken from an album that was found and then smuggled out of India. On the back of each photo there is a stamp mark that says, "Archaeology Survey of India." This signifies their authenticity and that they were the property of that institution. This means a number of things: That the Archaeology Survey of India (ASI) has been researching the evidence that proves the Taj Mahal and many other buildings were not of Muslim origin, and that they know this information but remain silent about it. It also shows that in spite of this evidence they refuse to open up further research that would reveal the true nature and originality of the buildings, and lead to understanding another part of the real history and glory of India.

These photos are black and white and were found in a simple photo album in India. Except for old age and some water damage on some of them (creating white spots in areas), most are still in relatively good condition. Each photograph was accompanied by a typed caption taped in the album near the photo, each of which gives a very interesting explanation of the subject and the Vedic influence recognized on the building and what it means. The captions accompany the photos on the following pages just as they were written in the album, so the style of English and the explanations are kept the same. I did not write them myself. They are obviously written from an Indian perspective. Whatever I may say about the photos are displayed in brackets [ ]. Otherwise I let the captions and photos speak for themselves. Some of these photos will show areas of the Taj where the public has no access, or what is rarely seen or noticed.[I]

And the link of the pictures taken on Taj Mahal -
Click here to visit the site scroll below to view the pictures (http://www.stephen-knapp.com/was_the_taj_mahal_a_vedic_temple.htm)

hound
27 Aug 06,, 13:34
'whilst pretending to be defending Hinduism from Khalistani fanatics.'
I am defending Hinduism from SUB-HINDUS like you not Khalistanis.

And I would repeat again:
Real honor and pride are very different from government/media induced patriotism. your views are patriotic but show little or other REAL stuff. SHAME!

gilgamesh
27 Aug 06,, 13:48
It seems that ASI had already been investigating Taj Mahal and other monuments. They had taken the pictures but those pictures were smuggled outside India. ASI had kept mum maybe due to pressure from the politicians that can cause communal riots.
Here's an extract from the site -:

These photographs are taken from an album that was found and then smuggled out of India. On the back of each photo there is a stamp mark that says, "Archaeology Survey of India." This signifies their authenticity and that they were the property of that institution. This means a number of things: That the Archaeology Survey of India (ASI) has been researching the evidence that proves the Taj Mahal and many other buildings were not of Muslim origin, and that they know this information but remain silent about it. It also shows that in spite of this evidence they refuse to open up further research that would reveal the true nature and originality of the buildings, and lead to understanding another part of the real history and glory of India.

These photos are black and white and were found in a simple photo album in India. Except for old age and some water damage on some of them (creating white spots in areas), most are still in relatively good condition. Each photograph was accompanied by a typed caption taped in the album near the photo, each of which gives a very interesting explanation of the subject and the Vedic influence recognized on the building and what it means. The captions accompany the photos on the following pages just as they were written in the album, so the style of English and the explanations are kept the same. I did not write them myself. They are obviously written from an Indian perspective. Whatever I may say about the photos are displayed in brackets [ ]. Otherwise I let the captions and photos speak for themselves. Some of these photos will show areas of the Taj where the public has no access, or what is rarely seen or noticed.[I]

And the link of the pictures taken on Taj Mahal -
Click here to visit the site scroll below to view the pictures (http://www.stephen-knapp.com/was_the_taj_mahal_a_vedic_temple.htm)

Taj's Architectural style is Arabic, Mughal,Persian and Hindu. It certainly doesn't look like an "ancient vedic" temple. May be there is another structure beneath the Taj.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taj_Mahal

kams
27 Aug 06,, 14:52
I dont need trolls like you to come and rubbish them, whilst pretending to be defending Hinduism from Khalistani fanatics. In case you still want to pretend otherwise, your actions depict you to be the same as them.

Those fools dont know India or left it ages back, and sitting in their insular towers of bigotry, they now preach a mantra of hate and insularity, whilst coming up with convoluted explanations using religion to justify their own insecurity and sense of weakness for what they perceieve as historical wrongs. They have little to do with the vast majority of Indian Sikhs, who despite the events of the 80's are back in the national mainstream and PROUD INDIANS!

Agree with you. I have seen people like him before in Gujarat ( I was in Ahmedabad during riots), in any case these hate mongering individuals are a minority and exist in all religeons, societies. There is no point in arguing/ debating with them. SUB-HINDU's lol that's the first time I heard , wonder do I get any reservation/quota for being a SUB-HINDU. :rolleyes:

SLASH
27 Aug 06,, 15:04
Taj's Architectural style is Arabic, Mughal,Persian and Hindu. It certainly doesn't look like an "ancient vedic" temple. May be there is another structure beneath the Taj.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taj_Mahal

Gilgamesh,
Its a know fact that many of the ancient mosque that we see in India are Hindu temple or Jain Darrasers/temple. Jain temples had domes similar to that of Persians therefore it was convinient for them to redecorate these temples rather than building the whole thing.
Anyways these are things of the past and we should just forget about it and move on.

Does anybody know what happend to this project

http://www.indoaust.com/images/tallest2.gif

http://www.indoaust.com/images/tallest1.gif

The World Centre of Vedic learning.

Tronic
27 Aug 06,, 16:04
Gilgamesh,
Its a know fact that many of the ancient mosque that we see in India are Hindu temple or Jain Darrasers/temple. Jain temples had domes similar to that of Persians therefore it was convinient for them to redecorate these temples rather than building the whole thing.
Anyways these are things of the past and we should just forget about it and move on.

Does anybody know what happend to this project

http://www.indoaust.com/images/tallest2.gif

http://www.indoaust.com/images/tallest1.gif

The World Centre of Vedic learning.
woah... thats HUGE... it might have been a bit too ambitious...

Archer
27 Aug 06,, 19:47
I am defending Hinduism from SUB-HINDUS like you not Khalistanis.

A fanatic mongrel -"hound"- has no business calling himself Hindu let alone commenting on others. The fact that you consider others sub-Hindus speaks volumes about your mentality and lack of awareness about Hinduism and its true ethos. Try learning something about it before opening your bigoted little mouth and using it as an excuse for your own insecurities.


And I would repeat again:
Real honor and pride are very different from government/media induced patriotism. your views are patriotic but show little or other REAL stuff. SHAME!

You can take your imagined honor and pride and shove them up your rectum. Then you would join all your other compatriots in Karachi jail or elsewhere who use this method to enlighten themselves.

Any person who is confident and aware of his religion would not behave the way you have done. All you are doing is displaying your own insecurities.
Patriotism has little to do with my views. Which have everything to do with knowledge of both India and Indian Sikhs.

Archer
27 Aug 06,, 19:50
Gilgamesh,
Its a know fact that many of the ancient mosque that we see in India are Hindu temple or Jain Darrasers/temple. Jain temples had domes similar to that of Persians therefore it was convinient for them to redecorate these temples rather than building the whole thing.
Anyways these are things of the past and we should just forget about it and move on..


Ideally? Yes. Practically, the reverse is true given human nature. Denying India's Islamic past in terms of their depradations on temples etc just sets up the wound to fester for longer.

Mega, thanks- had forgotten about the site. But it might be worth noting that the last time, PN Oak filed a PIL, the courts chucked the case out. Not that they arent subject to political motivation, but still.

India would have been much better served if the Congress had not dominated the political space so much so as to have its Marxist historians (Romila Thapar et al ) dominate every aspect of its depiction. :frown:

Jay
27 Aug 06,, 21:05
Archer,
Seriously its not worth wasting your energy at a two bit deceptive mongrel, who feels so pathetic about his real self, he is masking as some body else.

hound
27 Aug 06,, 21:06
Archie, you views are sad, what else should I say, there is no end to arguments.

Confed999
27 Aug 06,, 22:39
I am defending Hinduism from SUB-HINDUS like you not Khalistanis.
Yet another personal attack. :rolleyes:

Jay
27 Aug 06,, 23:12
Ah, thanks :)

Akshay
28 Aug 06,, 01:05
Does anybody know what happend to this project

http://www.indoaust.com/images/tallest2.gif

The World Centre of Vedic learning.

This was Maharshi Mahesh Yogi's vedic recreational centre. I heard about it first about 8/9 years back. The structure was supposed to come up near Jabalpur, Chattisgarh. But it never materialized. The structure was supposed to be the tallest in the world @650m. The total project cost was put up at Rs. 10000crores ($2.3 Bln). Maharshi Mahesh Yogi had planned to build 12 such structures around the world. Latest is that it is now nothing more than an artistic impression just like Noida Towers.

lemontree
28 Aug 06,, 05:14
tronic, you sikhs like to make fun of the hindu religion but you should know that you sikhs have a religion with no actual root or basis, it was a bastardly compromise to please/stop the invading mughals from beheading you all, yours is a religion of surrender and that is why sikhs prosituted themselves to Pakos in 1984. India should be very careful of the sikhs in both peace and war time.
I fail to see what drove you to make this statement.
As for Sikhs themselves, for most in India the other word for valour and courage is - Sikh.