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Vepr
28 Jul 06,, 19:15
http://www.zeenews.com/znnew/articles.asp?aid=312104&sid=NAT

Pak Army officer killed during infiltration bid along LoC

Srinagar, July 28: A Pakistan Army officer was among three persons killed when troops recently foiled an infiltration bid along the Line of Control in Jammu and Kashmir, a defence spokesman said on Friday.

Mohammad Hyder Turkey alias Abu Bilal, a serving Major in Nine Baloch Battalion of the Pakistan Army, was killed with two Pakistani militants on July 25 in Nanital forest in Gurez sector, Lt Col V K Batra said here.

He said Turkey was a resident of Gujranwala in Pakistan and the incident has clearly established the Pakistan Army`s involvement in infiltration.

"The killing of the officer in the infiltration bid is clear evidence that the Pakistan Army is actively involved in pushing militants into the Kashmir valley from across the Line of Control," Batra said.

He identified the other two militants killed in the operation as Mohammad Qasim Khan alias Abu Usman and Mohammad Ayub Khan alias Islam, both residents of Pakistan`s Punjab province.

Three AK assault rifles, 11 hand-grenades, 13 magazines, two under barrel grenade launchers, two wireless sets and three improvised explosive devices were recovered from the site of the gunbattle.

Bureau Report

OrdinaryGuy
28 Jul 06,, 19:43
There was a Times Magazine report a few years back on how the Pakistani army helps push militants into the Indian side.. and how they sometimes even provider cover fire

Tronic
28 Jul 06,, 20:40
so some more monkeys died... kool...

SLASH
28 Jul 06,, 20:45
What's the bet that Pak Army won't claim the body and we'll end up burying him(just like post Kargil).

raj
28 Jul 06,, 22:20
What's the bet that Pak Army won't claim the body and we'll end up burying him(just like post Kargil).
Any millitary would honour its dead people by accepting their dead bodies and do the needy, but pakistani army is more of a irregular militia, what best can be expected of them :confused:

lemontree
29 Jul 06,, 05:11
The story the Pak army will dish out is that:-
- The officer was killed in a patrol clash, or
- He was a deserter or a renegade.
:rolleyes:

bull
29 Jul 06,, 06:34
Why would a Major have to crossover.What would be the purpose?Has India killed regular PA soldiers before in the valley?

lemontree
29 Jul 06,, 06:47
Why would a Major have to crossover.What would be the purpose?Has India killed regular PA soldiers before in the valley?
The main purpose is to ensure proper command and control,
- it could also mean that the locals are not being trusted or there is command vacum in the valley or Poonch/ Rajouri sector, that the Pakistanis want to fill with a man they can trust.

Yes, 2 SSG men have been killed in the valley in the early 90s.

lemontree
29 Jul 06,, 07:41
It seems that there is some confusion about this report....

Army denies reports of Pak Major's killing
http://www.ndtv.com/template/template.asp?category=National&template=Ceasefire&slug=Army+denies+reports+of+Pak+Major%27s+killing&id=90748&callid=1
NDTV Correspondent

Friday, July 28, 2006 (New Delhi):


There is confusion in Jammu and Kashmir following reports that a Pakistani Army Major was killed in an infiltration bid in the Gurez sector two days ago.

Initial reports from the Army spokesperson in Srinagar named the Pakistani Army Major who was reportedly part of the 8 Baloch Regiment.

However Intelligence sources in Jammu and Kashmir have denied this report to NDTV.

In a formal denial to NDTV, the Army headquarters has said, "The army formally denies all reports that a Pakistani Army Major has been killed in an infiltration bid in Gurez in Kashmir yesterday as has been reported by the media. The report is erroneous and we are checking the origins."

santosh tiwari
29 Jul 06,, 10:02
Why would a Major have to crossover.What would be the purpose?Has India killed regular PA soldiers before in the valley?
not impossible. if we look on past, during 1991-2003, whenever any civilian was killed in kashmir or anywhere else by pakistan sponsored terrorists, indian military has been doing planned operations near indo-pak border against pakistani army. but im not sure :confused:

Neo
30 Jul 06,, 00:24
‘No Pakistan officer killed in Kashmir’

India retracts its claim that a certain Major Mohammad Turkey had been shot dead earlier in the week.

New Delhi: India, on Saturday, retracted an army claim that Indian soldiers had killed a Pakistani military officer in Kashmir.

“No Pakistan army officer has been killed in Kashmir,” Defence Ministry spokesman Sitanshu Kar said, declining to elaborate. :eek:

The Indian army had on Friday said Indian forces had shot dead a Pakistani army officer Mohammad Hyder Turkey and two Pakistani militants earlier in the week.

Army spokesman Lieutenant-Colonel V K Batra had claimed that the incident was proof that the Pakistani army was involved in the 17-year-old insurgency in Kashmir. Pakistan rejected the claim, calling it “ridiculous” and saying the man in question was still alive. :redface:

On Saturday, Batra said his statement was based on preliminary information :redface: and the identity of the dead man was yet to be confirmed.

“The information about a major of Pakistani army being shot... was the initial information based on electronic inputs,” Batra said.

The Pakistani army's chief spokesman Major General Shaukat Sultan said the officer was “posted in Quetta”.

http://www.mumbaimirror.com/nmirror/mmpaper.asp?sectid=4&articleid=72920062149384537292006214936296

:biggrin: Jai Hind! :tongue:

Tronic
30 Jul 06,, 04:41
‘No Pakistan officer killed in Kashmir’

India retracts its claim that a certain Major Mohammad Turkey had been shot dead earlier in the week.

New Delhi: India, on Saturday, retracted an army claim that Indian soldiers had killed a Pakistani military officer in Kashmir.

“No Pakistan army officer has been killed in Kashmir,” Defence Ministry spokesman Sitanshu Kar said, declining to elaborate. :eek:

The Indian army had on Friday said Indian forces had shot dead a Pakistani army officer Mohammad Hyder Turkey and two Pakistani militants earlier in the week.

Army spokesman Lieutenant-Colonel V K Batra had claimed that the incident was proof that the Pakistani army was involved in the 17-year-old insurgency in Kashmir. Pakistan rejected the claim, calling it “ridiculous” and saying the man in question was still alive. :redface:

On Saturday, Batra said his statement was based on preliminary information :redface: and the identity of the dead man was yet to be confirmed.

“The information about a major of Pakistani army being shot... was the initial information based on electronic inputs,” Batra said.

The Pakistani army's chief spokesman Major General Shaukat Sultan said the officer was “posted in Quetta”.

http://www.mumbaimirror.com/nmirror/mmpaper.asp?sectid=4&articleid=72920062149384537292006214936296

:biggrin: Jai Hind! :tongue:
Neo, LT sir already posted this 2 posts back...

OrdinaryGuy
30 Jul 06,, 12:39
doesn't discount the fact that two LeT militants did try to cross over from Pakistan...

Neo
30 Jul 06,, 14:26
Neo, LT sir already posted this 2 posts back...

I know, just wanted to add up a few smilies. :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:

Neo
30 Jul 06,, 14:26
doesn't discount the fact that two LeT militants did try to cross over from Pakistan...

Doesn't discount the fact either that your intelligence suck big times! :) :redface:

667medic
30 Jul 06,, 15:58
Doesn't matter, what's important is that the pigs were killed before they could harm our nation :cool:

Tronic
30 Jul 06,, 16:05
Doesn't discount the fact either that your intelligence suck big times! :) :redface:
well... the fact that the terrorists were killed at the time of incursion does mean that our intelligence agencies have improved... but yea, you are right though, they did suck pretty badly during Kargil, it was revealed in the Kargil report... The Intelligence branch is also hugely criticised for it's "lack of functioning" in Sri Lanka during the IPKF times... its a good thing that everytime our intelligence fails, the reports are made public to everyone so the intelligence agencies can pick up on them and improve...

gilgamesh
30 Jul 06,, 16:06
Doesn't discount the fact either that your intelligence suck big times! :) :redface:

Don't be so smug, there is a reason why Indo-Pak border is for all practical purpose, sealed off.

lemontree
31 Jul 06,, 04:53
I know, just wanted to add up a few
It appears that the army has been asked to to withdraw that claim, by New Delhi. The fact that a Pak Army officers gets killed along with the LeT, that is connected to the Mumbai blasts among others puts pressure on the Govt. to kick ass.
Something sinister is in the offing for our neighbours, if our politicians have decided to play the silent game. ;)

Ray
31 Jul 06,, 06:23
Lemontree,

I didn't want to say that as yet.

Something is up.

bull
31 Jul 06,, 06:32
Well hope something is up.

But our intelligence and vigilance sucks big time,even our PMs security at the heart of New delhi has been breached by a bunch of amateurs so many times, the no fly zone over his residence has been breached by a plane as big as the 737, his motorcade has been crashed into, on a read where traffic was blocked.

IS thes ecurity ring around this VIPs any good,or just show of force.

Even i doubt how good they are at avoiding any attempts,the car that drove past the vajpayee's official car was shot at by his security guards(probably SPG) but the driver escaped unhurt and was later arrested after a chase.So what where they shooting at when the unauthorised car was just feets away from the PM's car?

What does all this say?

lemontree
31 Jul 06,, 09:25
Bull,
When you are on hair trigger alert, snafus do happen due to the pressure.

bull
31 Jul 06,, 14:08
Bull,
When you are on hair trigger alert, snafus do happen due to the pressure.


well you know better.