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  • Malaysian Visits China Once a month.

    For those who thinks PLA daily is nothing but a PR machine, yes, it is. However, if you read it carefully, you do get good stuff out.


    China already sold KS-1A and FN-6 SAMs to the Malaysian, traning personal will not be a new developlment............. They do seem to visit China offen (once a month!)





    Liang Guanglie meets Malaysian navy commander

    PLA Daily 2006-06-14

      

      Liang Guanglie, member of the Central Military Commission and chief of general staff of the PLA, met Pan Sri Admiral Ilyas, commander of the Malaysian Navy, and his party on June 13.

      Liang Guanglie first expressed warm welcome to Pan Sri Admiral Ilyas and his party. He said that the past few years have witnessed a new phase of all-round development in the relations between China and Malaysia. The Chinese side is appreciative of the Malaysian government for its long-term adherence to the one-China policy and its position against "Taiwan independence". Meanwhile the ties between the two militaries have also been developing smoothly in recent years. Chinese side is willing to continue to strengthen exchange and cooperation with the Malaysian side in the army building and personnel training, etc.

      Pan Sri Admiral Ilyas thanked Liang Guanglie for finding time to meet him. He said that the traditional friendship between the peoples of China and Malaysia has a long history. The Malaysian side has steadfastly adhered to the one-China policy and strived to continuously strengthen the friendly and mutual beneficial cooperative ties with the Chinese side. And the Malaysian side is willing to further develop friendship and strengthen friendly cooperative ties with the Chinese military, especially with the Chinese navy.

      Hu Yanlin, political commissar of the PLA Navy, was present at the meeting.

      By Zhang Shun

      (June 14, PLA Daily)






    China, Malaysia to step up defense cooperation

    PLA Daily 2006-05-27

      

      BEIJING, May 26 (Xinhua) -- Chinese and Malaysian military leaders on Friday agreed to intensify cooperation in defense to safeguard regional stability.

      Malaysia's Chief of Armed Forces Tan Sri Dato Sri Mohd Anwar bin Hj Nor, who is on a six-day visit to China, held talks with Chief of the General Staff of the People's Liberation Army Liang Guanglie.

      They agreed that friendly exchanges and cooperation were in the interests of both countries and would help safeguard regional peace and stability.

      Liang expressed China's appreciation for the Malaysian government's one-China policy.

      After the talks, Anwar also met with China's Defense Minister Cao Gangchuan.





    Chinese, Malaysian defense ministers discuss military ties



    PLA Daily 2006-04-11

      

      KUALA LUMPUR, April 10 (Xinhua) -- Malaysian Deputy Prime Minister and Defense Minister Najib Tun Razak met with visiting Chinese Defense Minister Cao Gangchuan here on Monday, and they exchanged views over the two countries' relations and ties between the armed forces.

      Cao, who is also vice chairman of the Central Military Commission of China and a state councilor, said China and Malaysia are close and friendly neighbors and the cooperation between the countries has been expanding in various fields in recent years.

      The relations between the armed forces of the two countries have also made much progress in recent years, and China is willing to make concerted efforts with Malaysia to deepen the friendly cooperation, Cao said.

      Cao also expressed appreciation of the Malaysian government's adherence to the one-China policy and its support to China's reunification cause.

      Najib said Malaysia firmly upholds the one-China policy and is committed to unceasingly strengthen the friendly cooperation of mutual respect and mutual benefit between the two countries.

      The Malaysian armed forces are willing to expand and deepen the friendly cooperation with China's armed forces, he said.

      Cao arrived here earlier Monday for an official goodwill visit to the country at the invitation of Najib.
    “the misery of being exploited by capitalists is nothing compared to the misery of not being exploited at all” -- Joan Robinson

  • #2
    Smoke and mirrors?

    We know the Chinese ain't a force in the region, even with these co-operation schemes ... but is it enough to throw a wrench in the US's calculations in the region?

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Officer of Engineers
      Smoke and mirrors?

      We know the Chinese ain't a force in the region, even with these co-operation schemes ... but is it enough to throw a wrench in the US's calculations in the region?
      Considering the mere presence of Chinese troops near the Sino-Viet border during the Vietnam War threw a wrench in US's strategic war plans, I'd say that even these cooperation schemes can throw a bigger wrench in the US's calcuations in the region.

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      • #4
        Why is there no one from South-East Asia to comment on these topics?
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Officer of Engineers
          Smoke and mirrors?

          We know the Chinese ain't a force in the region, even with these co-operation schemes ... but is it enough to throw a wrench in the US's calculations in the region?

          Col, in the 80s, the goal of PRC foreign policy is to prevent ASEAN to became a single unified block. The funny thing was, PRC does not even need to try as there were too many infighting among members. Number of books in the west already written in the topic of PRC’s approach to ASEAN states. The tick is simply, divide and conquer, in the 1980 and 90, PRC deal ASEAN on a one-to-one base, never as a group. This changed a great deal by 2000 when PRC position became very firm after the 1997 asia economic crisis then PRC deal with ASEAN as a group and in an attempt to take a leadership role. See ASEAN Plus 3 and the ASEAN economic forum (remember the one which US was not invited).
          “the misery of being exploited by capitalists is nothing compared to the misery of not being exploited at all” -- Joan Robinson

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          • #6
            Even if the US does not get invited, it has enough proxies in ASEAN :) Also, ASEAN + 3 includes China, Japan and India.

            Any individual cooperation with Malaysia is not gonna make a big strategic change. Remember China was viewed as a regional bully by ASEAN nations not long ago. But given the fact that China is prolly one of the biggest trading partner with ASEAN, they are not going to be biased against PRC, but I really doubt that Malaysia/ASEAN would stand by PRC incase of war with Taiwan/USA.

            We will need to wait and see the Spratley's as PRC gets more thirsty in the near future. Till then everything looks rosy between China and ASEAN.
            A grain of wheat eclipsed the sun of Adam !!

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            • #7
              the Spratley issue is a none issue at of 2006. The Sin-Vietnam joint oil exploration deal reached in 2005 petty much seal any possible conflict in a near team.

              Why would ASEAN want to take side on a Sino-US confilict? what benfit would they gain? In addition, I would not call ASEAN nation US proxies. Burma? Vietnam? Indonasia? Thailand??????
              “the misery of being exploited by capitalists is nothing compared to the misery of not being exploited at all” -- Joan Robinson

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              • #8
                True, for the near term, PRC pretty much sealed the deal, but on the longer term, when PRC needs more energy sources, I sure do think, Spratley's will be irresistable, I may be way off though.

                Singapore is the proxy I was refering too and Thailand to an extent.
                http://www.us-asean.org/Thailand/CRS..._Relations.pdf

                http://www.us-asean.org/

                Malaysia or others will not take sides during a conflict, so PRC cannot expect anything of strategic importance to this relationship. And so far PLAN could not make any moves towards Malacca Straits. And ASEAN+3 also has Japan :)
                A grain of wheat eclipsed the sun of Adam !!

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                • #9
                  Another piece of news,

                  Defense, military chiefs to discuss U.S.-Asia security, rise of India, China
                  The Associated Press (apwire) Published 2006-06-02 16:42 (KST)
                  SINGAPORE

                  Defense chiefs are meeting in Singapore this weekend at a time of growing American concern over China's rise as a regional military power.

                  The Shangri-La Dialogue comes barely a week after the Pentagon issued a report saying China is rapidly extending its military reach through purchases of advanced weaponry and refined tactics.

                  This weekend's conference -- which opens Friday evening with an address by Singapore's Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong -- is also to discuss U.S.-Asia security relations, the rise of India, maritime security cooperation, counterinsurgency and regional security concerns.

                  China's rise is widely seen as a challenge to U.S. military supremacy in Asia, underscoring Beijing's longtime rivalry with Japan, conflicting claims over islands in the South China Sea, and control over Taiwan, the self-governing island that China calls part of its territory but which Washington is legally bound to help defend.

                  ''China's military expansion is already such as to alter regional military balances,'' the U.S. Defense Department report said in its annual report.

                  Keynote speakers at the Shangri-La Dialogue include U.S. Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld, Indian Defense Minister Pranab Mukherjee and Indonesian Defense Minister Juwono Sudarsono.

                  China is sending only low-level officials -- an apparent sign of its low-key approach to a gathering it sees as dominated by the United States.

                  Some 23 countries are participating in the three-day meeting, the fifth since the setting up of the dialogue, named after the Singapore hotel where it is held. Saturday and Sunday are devoted to bilateral discussions and round-table meetings.

                  Concerns over China's military rise were accented by a 14 percent increase in Beijing's declared defense spending this year to 283.8 billion yuan (US$35.3 billion; euro28.6 billion). Outside estimates of China's true spending are up to three times that amount, based on the country's heavy purchases of submarines, missiles, fighter planes and other high-tech weapons, mainly from Russia.

                  Beijing also announced earlier this week that it would step up improvements in weaponry and technology used by its 2.3 million-strong People's Liberation Army -- the world's largest.

                  Despite such moves, China responded angrily to the Pentagon report, insisting its buildup is defensive and accusing Washington of Cold War thinking.

                  ''China is developing only one way -- the way of peaceful development,'' Foreign Ministry spokesman Liu Jianchao said at a news briefing last week.

                  A key concern is Taiwan, which split from China amid a civil war in 1949. China has hundreds of missiles pointed across the Taiwan Straits and though it says it wants to unify with the island peacefully, it pointedly excludes Taiwan from declarations about the defensive nature of its military posture.

                  ''We are ready to maintain our sovereignty and our territorial integrity,'' Liu said at last week's news conference in reference to Taiwan.

                  At last year's gathering, Rumsfeld questioned the reasons behind China's annual double-digit increases in defense spending, saying those implied Beijing was prepared to act on its threats to attack Taiwan if it continues to refuse unification.

                  ''I just look at the significant rollout of ballistic missiles opposite Taiwan, and I have to ask the question: If everyone agrees the question of Taiwan is going to be settled in a peaceful way, why this increase in ballistic missiles opposite Taiwan?'' Rumsfeld said at last year's conference.

                  In the year since, the sides have taken tentative steps to lessen uncertainty on either side -- including a first-ever visit by Rumsfeld to China as defense secretary -- though critics say real trust has yet to be established.

                  More significantly, China has increased efforts to boost ties with Russia and other countries seen as sympathetic to its aims.

                  Later this month, China will host a summit of heads of state from Russia and four Central Asian countries.

                  ''The efforts on the U.S. side, at least, to prod the Chinese to be more open have indeed sped up,'' said Yu Maochun, a history professor at the U.S. Naval Academy in Annapolis, Maryland.

                  ''Specific steps are still far away from reality,'' he added.

                  Other observers said Washington needs to find a way to allow China a place in the region while avoiding conflict.

                  ''We also need to determine how we accommodate to this vastly more capable (Chinese army), and work toward becoming partners with China in the region and the world, rather than potential adversaries,'' said retired Admiral Eric McVadon, a former defense and naval attache at the U.S. Embassy in Beijing.

                  http://english.ohmynews.com/ArticleV...96263&rel_no=1
                  A grain of wheat eclipsed the sun of Adam !!

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                  • #10
                    Indonesia wants permanent mily ties with US: President Yudhoyono

                    President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono here Tuesday called for permanent ties between the United States and Indonesian militaries amid alleged attempts in Washington to downgrade the relations.

                    President Yudhoyono made the remark when receiving US Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld at the presidential office here.

                    During the meeting, Yudhoyono emphasized the need for the two countries to normalize their military ties in a permanent way, presidential spokesman Dino Patti Djalal said.

                    The US suspended military exchanges with Indonesia and banned weapons sales in reaction to the Indonesian military`s alleged involvement in human right abuses during the process of East Timor`s secession in 1999.

                    The two nations partially resumed military exchanges in 2002 as part of anti-terrorism measures after the September 11, 2001 terror attacks.

                    In November 2005, the US government restored its military ties with Indonesia by fully lifting an arms embargo imposed on Indonesia.

                    But the US policy was based on the US Department of State`s right in the Congress and was applicable only to fiscal 2006.

                    Dino said in response to Yudhoyono`s statement Rumsfeld declared that he was among those US officials who were promoting the normalization of the military ties.

                    Rumsfeld underscored the need for the two countries to settle any bilateral problems amicably rather than severing military ties.

                    "Severing military ties harms not only the interests of Indonesia but the US as well," Dino quoted Rumsfeld as saying.

                    The meeting between the Indonesian leader and the US defence minister also focused on latest developments in Timor Leste, Iraq and Iran as well as on the peace process in Nanggroe Aceh Darussalam province.

                    Rumsfeld arrived here on Tuesday on the last leg of a Southeast Asian swing. He is also scheduled to meet his Indonesian counterpart, Juwono Sudarsono and other top officials for talks on renewed military ties.

                    Rumsfeld defended his decision last November to lift restrictions on US military assistance on the grounds that it was in the US interest to have good relations with a country of key strategic importance.

                    During the meeting, Yudhoyono also briefed Rumsfeld on the results of his recent meeting with Palestian Foreign Minister Mahmoud Al Zahar and Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas`s planned visit to Indonesia probably later this month.

                    "Defence Minister Rumsfeld warmly welcomed the steps," Dino said. (*)

                    http://www.antara.co.id/en/seenws/?id=13869

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                    I guess the US is not sitting in the sidelines wondering about Chinese moves, infact they are going out of their way to accomodate these ASEAN countries. The FTA deal they are discussing with Malaysia, FTA with Singapore, Thailand discussions with Vietnam and now Indonesia.

                    U.S., China Not Competitors in Southeast Asia, State's Hill Says
                    http://usinfo.state.gov/xarchives/di...wf-latest.html

                    U.S. Competes With China for Vietnam's Allegiance
                    http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/19/wo...ewanted=2&_r=1
                    Last edited by Jay; 20 Jun 06,, 03:03.
                    A grain of wheat eclipsed the sun of Adam !!

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                    • #11
                      We just have a different defination regarding the phase " proxy ".

                      Proxy in my book is a military alliance.

                      Being seeking hegemony is not the goal of PRC in either short or mid term (10 to 50 years) in regard of ASEAN (beside Burma). They want a stable backyard. I am not speaking for President Hu of course, and for ASEAN nations, they don't have to choose and they won't. See the NYT article regarding VN. Also noted that VNese distrust Beijing way more then Washington with 2000 years of bad blood and yet, given all that, US is in a "counter" or "reaction" mode. It is economic PRC is after, with the exception of Burma for a long team geo-strategic reason. The Goal of PRC's foreign policy is still very much TW centric/with Japan as the longer team "concerned ". their recent effort in S America/Africa is mainly economic with limited geopolitics aspiration. They simply do not have power projection.

                      Washington's currently warmer relation with Indonesia is main due to the PRC arms started to flow. only 6 months ago, Candy Rice stated US A won't left the arms embargo.

                      As for Thailand, she is hte only nation that PRC send none-UN troops to. One of PRC engineeing battalion just return for a mission in Southern Thailand. In addition, Thailand is PRC largest arms buyer (officall)


                      Singapore's role in Sino-US relationship had been debate many times before. PAP's current view is petty clear, consider how many times "senior statements" Lee and his family visited PRC (at lease once year) and how many time they visit US. Singapore like others loves to see both sides buying their attention. It is economic after all.
                      Last edited by xinhui; 20 Jun 06,, 03:57.
                      “the misery of being exploited by capitalists is nothing compared to the misery of not being exploited at all” -- Joan Robinson

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                      • #12
                        Malaysia or others will not take sides during a conflict, so PRC cannot expect anything of strategic importance to this relationship. And so far PLAN could not make any moves towards Malacca Straits. And ASEAN+3 also has Japan

                        that is the point I am making. I don't think they have any expectation from ASEAN besides lip service of "one China police" and why not? PRC needs ASEAN's nature resource for her. Take the oil field in S China is like killing the Goose the lay the golden egg. China need natural Gas from Indonesia, period. Just take a look at what type of goods ASEAN export to China, mostly raw materials


                        8 million dollars for 15 transports, might just well give them away.


                        Indonesian State airline to buy 15 Chinese aircraft
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                        Jun. 14, 2006 (China Knowledge) – Indonesia’s second-largest airline has signed a contract with Xi'an Aircraft Interntional Corp., a subsidiary of China Aviation Industry Corp. (CVIC) I, to buy 15 Xinzhou-60 passenger aircrafts.

                        According to a press release from China’s State Council, one of the 15 aircrafts will be delivered in September by Xi’an Aircraft to Merpati Nusantara Airline Pt of Indonesia this year and the rest of them will be delivered next year.

                        The deal is the aircraft manufacturer’s biggest MA60 export order so far. The 15 jets are worth a total of US$8 million.

                        The Xinzhou-60 passenger aircraft, a new 60-seat model, is designed and produced by CVIC I.

                        Gao Dacheng, general manager of the Xi'an Aircraft Industry Group and Hotasi Nababan, CEO of Merpati, signed the contract in Beijing.
                        “the misery of being exploited by capitalists is nothing compared to the misery of not being exploited at all” -- Joan Robinson

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                        • #13
                          Malacca Straits. And ASEAN+3 also has Japan


                          China and Japan are each other's largest trade partners. Keeping Malacca straits is a win for both sides. Japan had their chance in the 1980s to "lead" ASEAN and they blow it. Of all those tough talks, from both sides there is a economic reality. Hu stated two weeks ago he wants to visit Japan if "under a right condition"
                          “the misery of being exploited by capitalists is nothing compared to the misery of not being exploited at all” -- Joan Robinson

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by xinhui
                            that is the point I am making. I don't think they have any expectation from ASEAN besides lip service of "one China police" and why not? PRC needs ASEAN's nature resource for her. Take the oil field in S China is like killing the Goose the lay the golden egg. China need natural Gas from Indonesia, period. Just take a look at what type of goods ASEAN export to China, mostly raw materials
                            Agreed. I was responding to the "wrench" comments made by Blademaster. I think China is importing raw materials from the whole world, and I doubt they would try to alter it in the near short term. But the only question is what would they do, once they secure the sources and is considerably mightier in the region.
                            A grain of wheat eclipsed the sun of Adam !!

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                            • #15
                              ASEAN is much like Pakistan, milk both US and China, while they get milked by both of em, its what they call win-win situation :)

                              And regards to Singapore, may be they visit China coz they still are ethnic Chinese?
                              A grain of wheat eclipsed the sun of Adam !!

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