PDA

View Full Version : The OICW



TNP
09 Aug 03,, 21:59
http://www.hkpro.com/oicwcasing.jpg

http://www.hkpro.com/oicwmuzzle.jpg

http://www.hkpro.com/oicwad.jpg

(As many of you probably already know, this gernade
can be programmed to explode at a specific point in space.
What this means is that a soldier can clear a corner by launching
a gernade where enemies are spotted through a spyglass etc.
[a spyglass is the british term for a infra red scope] and the
gernade being programmed to explode right around the corner,
in the air, causing maximum damage.)

http://www.hkpro.com/oicwright.jpg

http://www.hkpro.com/oicwconcept1.jpg

First concept model of the OICW above, February, 1994.




http://www.hkpro.com/oicwproto2.jpg

February, 1996: The first firing model of the OICW above


http://www.hkpro.com/oicwstripped.jpg

http://www.hkpro.com/oicwammo.jpg

Three different 20mm ammunition types for the OICW. From Left to Right: Bursting munition, High Explosive, Target Practice.

http://www.hkpro.com/oicwammoint.jpg

High Explosive 20mm round with illustration of the internal circuitry necessary for distance programmable detonation.

http://www.hkpro.com/oicwrtclose.jpg


http://www.hkpro.com/oicw.htm








quite the gadget... but my favourites are still the
Steyr Aug, M-4, and the H&K G36.
guess I am just a bit old-fashioned.

Stinger
11 Aug 03,, 17:29
Well considering how some REMFs take care of their weapons now, I hope they're not expected to take care of one of these. Also I wonder about feild maintance difficulties with having electronics in a personal weapon. but I love the GL :D

Blackclaw
12 Aug 03,, 14:59
It seems nifty cool, but it's too heavy right now. And what happens when it gets wet, dirty, and dropped down a staircase?

ChrisF202
12 Aug 03,, 15:24
I think its needs to be lighter as well, i cant imagine carrying that thing all day, the M-16A3 is ok for now

Captain C
12 Aug 03,, 20:50
Actually, it's supposed to be lighter than an M-203 with a scope added. As far as the electronics go, you need a large supply of the correct battery and the electronics should be Plug & Play modules that can be swapped out in a few seconds. I don't know if they are, but they should be. For a comparison, the OICW weighs in at 12 pounds, while the BAR was 18.5 pounds. The BAR was a proven combat weapon so I think the OICW at one-third less weight can be managed in battle as well.........


:S :ph34r

Bill
12 Aug 03,, 21:20
Along the lines of what CapC said, the M-60 wieghs 23.6 pounds unloaded.

Compared to the hog the OICW is light.

My concerns are with durability, but it is still a prototype.

lurker
12 Aug 03,, 22:15
I don't know, but when I am looking at that thing - I got a picture of soldiers, looking for batteries in the jungle. :D

Captain C
13 Aug 03,, 22:55
I'm sure it will use NiCad batteries like your watch or garage door opener. Having a stash of them shouldn't weigh you down. It will probably use around 4 to 6 of those batteries so I would go into battle with at least 24 on me to be safe. That would depend on the life of the batteries if the weapon was never turned off for a week..... Of course with the size of the rechargeable NiCads being used in Digital Cameras these days you might just use one of them. I would suspect the life of one of those type batteries would be limited to aroudn two hours if left on all the time. I imagine there is an on/off switch that you will have to push when you need the weapon, kind of like a second safety....... That would of course only be needed when you use the special scope or the onboard computer to figure the range and set the projectile for the 20MM......


:S

bigross86
13 Aug 03,, 23:01
I dunno. Once I had a pair of rechargeable batteries in my pocket with a dog tag also in there. The batteries connected with the dog tg and burnt right through my jeans. Hurt like a bitch for weeks after words.

Bill
14 Aug 03,, 05:16
"I don't know, but when I am looking at that thing - I got a picture of soldiers, looking for batteries in the jungle."

Gentlemen, i hate to have to point this out, but US troops have been carrying batteries for years. NVG's and PNVS units do not run on wishful thinking. They need batteries. For that matter, so did my Kodak and my walkman.

Carrying a 10 pak or two of AA sized batteries aint no big deal fellas.

TNP
14 Aug 03,, 11:31
Quote of the day:


NVG's and PNVS units do not run on wishful thinking.

bigross86
14 Aug 03,, 11:31
Yeah, until you mix up the live ones and dead ones...

Stinger
14 Aug 03,, 12:42
"I don't know, but when I am looking at that thing - I got a picture of soldiers, looking for batteries in the jungle."

Gentlemen, i hate to have to point this out, but US troops have been carrying batteries for years. NVG's and PNVS units do not run on wishful thinking. They need batteries. For that matter, so did my Kodak and my walkman.

Carrying a 10 pak or two of AA sized batteries aint no big deal fellas.

So thats why my NVGs always seemed to quit working after a couple hours use.... I thought they were just crappy........ what...... :p :D

bigross86
14 Aug 03,, 12:49
The next question is why do you have NVG's :?: :?: :?:

lurker
14 Aug 03,, 12:53
btw, batteries are sensitive not only to humidity, but to temperature also.
Overcooled batteries will rapidlly loose charge (just try to leave your cellphone on the snow for 30 minutes... but you will need a new battery after that).

bottom line is: this thing will be nearly useless in Siberia or similar env. :D :D

bigross86
14 Aug 03,, 12:57
Than why do people keep batteries and film on the fridge???

Stinger
14 Aug 03,, 12:57
The next question is why do you have NVG's :?: :?: :?:

Some of the Paintball scenarios I play in are 24 hour games

TNP
14 Aug 03,, 12:59
bottom line is: this thing will be nearly useless in Siberia or similar env. :D :D


Good... The ice caps are meltin and breakin up already.
20mm gernades explodin every which way wouldnt help that situation much.

bigross86
14 Aug 03,, 12:59
Cool. How long do you last in these 24 hour paintball games?

lurker
14 Aug 03,, 13:02
Than why do people keep batteries and film on the fridge???

lol. :) fridges have stable just below zero temperature
It is not -20/-30 celsius or less...

bigross86
14 Aug 03,, 13:04
So as long as its not too cold, just cold enough, its aiight?

Stinger
14 Aug 03,, 13:06
Cool. How long do you last in these 24 hour paintball games?

Usually a couple of hours at a time.... having no CAS and limeted Artillery make for difficult advancements in the face of fully and semi- automatic paintball guns.... fortunatly I have a full auto capable one myself, and it doesn't have the recoil/climb of a real fullauto :D

bigross86
14 Aug 03,, 13:08
I play for an hour and a half-two hours each time. Play a couple rounds, King of the Hill, Capture the Flag, etc... Only have Semi-Autos, but I used paint grenades once. Amazing!!! Most kills I ever got with one shot...

lurker
14 Aug 03,, 13:10
So as long as its not too cold, just cold enough, its aiight?

Speaking from experience, ~20-25 minutes with -30 celsius will be enough to do the damage.

bigross86
14 Aug 03,, 13:13
Yeah, but who hangs around in -30 Celsius for half an hour, especially with batteries? Besides, aren't there durable batteries, for extreme sports and the like?

lurker
14 Aug 03,, 13:18
Yeah, but who hangs around in -30 Celsius for half an hour, especially with batteries?

Easy. ;) Just go to Moscow in the winter, and wait for a bus.
Just looking at photos - I can't imagine that you can hide this OICW-thing in your warm pocket.


Besides, aren't there durable batteries, for extreme sports and the like?

Haven't seen those.

bigross86
14 Aug 03,, 13:20
Why are people outside waiting for buses at -30 C? It's unnatural! It's inhumane! It's so damn cold!!!

ChrisF202
14 Aug 03,, 13:22
Why are people outside waiting for buses at -30 C? It's unnatural! It's inhumane! It's so damn cold!!!

Welcome to the winter :D , here it can be 10 degrees outside

lurker
14 Aug 03,, 13:23
Why are people outside waiting for buses at -30 C? It's unnatural! It's inhumane! It's so damn cold!!!

Well.. I don't know. Buses are usually very good there. I guess it was just my bad timing.

bigross86
14 Aug 03,, 13:23
Well, yeah, but -10F is nowhere near -30C

lurker
14 Aug 03,, 13:26
Well, yeah, but -10F is nowhere near -30C

-10F = -20C

found a converter http://www.wbuf.noaa.gov/tempfc.htm

bigross86
14 Aug 03,, 13:30
-30C=-22F 12 degress is a big difference, espesially in Sub-zerp tempertures

Bill
14 Aug 03,, 17:33
There are cold weather batteries too. Ever start a car in -22F?

LOL.

Oh, duh...three other things i forgot to mention that use batteries.

The GLID, GPS recievers and the Radio.

bigross86
14 Aug 03,, 17:35
You mean the radio isn't connected to a massive extention cord?

lurker
14 Aug 03,, 17:47
There are cold weather batteries too. Ever start a car in -22F?
LOL.


There is obvious differences between car (acid) and lithium batteries. Most of the current small batteries doesnt work in -20C.

And those that work in -30C and lower - does not live long in elevated temperatures. Of course reseach in that field is advancing, but there is no useful results yet.

bigross86
14 Aug 03,, 17:51
So it's sort of a Catch-22?

Bill
14 Aug 03,, 23:14
Lurker, i'm curious is you've seen the new rechargable type batteries.

They're called Ni-X(not too sure).

They work great in the cold, and the US Army had em for a decade before you could actually buy them. The newest generation of cell phones comes with them now.

BTW, alkaline based batteries are acid based.

lurker
15 Aug 03,, 00:28
Lurker, i'm curious is you've seen the new rechargable type batteries.

They're called Ni-X(not too sure).

They work great in the cold, and the US Army had em for a decade before you could actually buy them. The newest generation of cell phones comes with them now.

BTW, alkaline based batteries are acid based.

There is NASA paper about the low-temp batteries, in the very beginning it says that US ARmy and Airforce are still developing those.
Means there is much left to work on.

http://extenv.jpl.nasa.gov/presentations/Low_Temperature_Lithium_Batteries.pdf

Bill
15 Aug 03,, 00:41
No, that's the next generation of batteries that NASA is working on.

Let me put it this way. When i was at Arctic warfare school(1989), all our NVG's worked fine. That's way the hell up in alaska bro.

Whatever battery the Army is using never gave me any problems.

Gio
15 Aug 03,, 06:46
Why are people outside waiting for buses at -30 C? It's unnatural! It's inhumane! It's so damn cold!!!

Welcome to the winter :D , here it can be 10 degrees outside

Eastern Freaks...

bigross86
15 Aug 03,, 07:58
It rains here, snows once in a blue moon in Jerusalem. Temp's never get anywhere near 0C

TNP
15 Aug 03,, 10:56
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/atd-oicw-fig27.gif

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/atd-oicw-fig28.gif

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/oicw1.jpg



http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/oicw4.jpg

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/oicw-002.jpg

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/oicw-001.jpg

Captain C
16 Aug 03,, 06:17
Yeah buddy, makes a great deer gun. Kills it, skins it, and cooks it all with one round!!!! Personally, I think every cop should be issued one!!!! Heck I might even join up if they ever did that!


:S :ph34r

bigross86
16 Aug 03,, 19:54
You think the IDF will ever get any?

leib10
25 Mar 05,, 20:47
The thing is just too damned heavy and expensive to be practical for wide-spread issue. Maybe to special forces, but that's it.

Beaugeste93
25 Mar 05,, 21:07
Maybe my information is old but i thought the US Army killed that version of the OICW.

Last I heard the XM-8 and FN SCAR were short term possibilities, with the long term ones still unknown.

leib10
25 Mar 05,, 21:10
I'm not sure about killed entirely, but I do know that the SCAR is likely to go to special forces, and the XM8 to regulars. I wouldn't be surprised if the OICW is issued on at least a very limited scale to very select troops.

Terran empire
25 Mar 05,, 21:48
They broke it in two the XM8 was the KE part and they have the Grenade Launcher reworked in 25-mm as the XM25 which is weird sense there Already is a M25 weapon system A variation of the M21 sniper Rifle.
Pic Key
Picture one is may or may not be a mocked up of the XM25
Picture two is a Drawing of the XM25
Picture three is the M25 sniper rifle Used by Socom?

Bill
26 Mar 05,, 02:34
The OICW prototype is just an ongoing R&D program now.

sniperdude411
13 Apr 05,, 17:56
The thing is just too damned heavy and expensive to be practical for wide-spread issue. Maybe to special forces, but that's it.

Globalsecurity.org says the xm29 will be fielded to 1 out of 9 Marines. The rest will get the xm8.

Terran empire
13 Apr 05,, 22:16
Globalsecurity.org says the xm29 will be fielded to 1 out of 9 Marines. The rest will get the xm8.
Global Security needs to Update a bit.
but that sounds right It could act as a Squad Support Weapon.

Wraith601
14 Apr 05,, 06:07
Global Security needs to Update a bit.
but that sounds right It could act as a Squad Support Weapon.

If it ever does get fielded you'd proably see one or two per squad replacing the M4/M203 combo now found in each fire team. That's if the weight and reliability issues can be solved and the cost can be kept from skyrocketing.

sniperdude411
15 Apr 05,, 17:49
I wonder why it'd replace the m4/203 combo.
and the xm29 isn't just a really cool grenade launcher; it's going to replace the current land warrior system.

Terran empire
15 Apr 05,, 18:20
I wonder why it'd replace the m4/203 combo.
and the xm29 isn't just a really cool grenade launcher; it's going to replace the current land warrior system.
correction It is (or was) Part of the next land warrior yet is is just a weapon's system like any other. the optics and control systems are meant to interface with Land warrior systems.

sniperdude411
16 Apr 05,, 15:50
Again, we must think 10 years ahead of us. You'd think the m4/203 will still be in service?
I don't think there will be another land warrior system. They are very rare and are issued only to those who need them.

Terran empire
16 Apr 05,, 18:15
Again, we must think 10 years ahead of us. You'd think the m4/203 will still be in service?
I don't think there will be another land warrior system. They are very rare and are issued only to those who need them.
Land warrior systems are Still under Evaluation in 10 years No doubt the Evaluation will be over. in 10 years GPS, inter-squad communications, And video systems will be cheaper, lighter in weight and More Rugged (just look at cell phones 10 years ago a cell phone was a rare sight it had a tiny black and gray 11 digit LCD display and was the size of a mans Shoe (" Hello 99"). yet today a cell phone half the size of a ladies compact featuring a Full color high resolution displays, wireless internet, Video games, Personal Organization built in MP3 and Digital Cameras are common place walk Down a Street in any town in most countries it's a safe bet some one will be on a cell phone) . I think Land warrior type systems will be in wide use. what is in doubt is the XM29 Right now the only Prototype versions are the XM8 and the XM25. The Xm8 ( who's fate seems to be in doubt ) Already has a M203 replacement the XM320.

sniperdude411
16 Apr 05,, 21:04
The xm8 is on hold because the army is waiting for competition. It still is much better than others in the competition (so far). The xm25 is more of an R&D program right now (no need to lug around an attached assault rifle when you're only testing a grenade launcher) than the xm29.
But still nobody really knows what will happen in 10 years. Maybe the xm29 will be outdated in 10 years. Again, noboy knows.