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Srirangan
10 May 06,, 09:44
In the past 24 hours there have been instances when not only WAB members, but WAB mods defending "poor scape goat" terrorists in India.

http://www.worldaffairsboard.com/showthread.php?t=11979

I could take names and make very specific citations however I would not like to do so.

I am sure this is not the intention of most of the WAB administration/moderators. I hope this would be looked into.

This is not an accustation at all the mods, nor is it one at WAB. But the comments of some mods will leave an imprint on WAB as a whole. I hope this will be resolved ASAP.

Ray
10 May 06,, 09:58
Sri,

Asim is hardly a Moderator!

He is just an Editor!

His power stops at the Edit button. :tongue:

I should know! ;)

Srirangan
10 May 06,, 10:02
Let's not keep this one person, or one instance specific. When supporting terrorists is not allowed on WAB, shouldn't this rule apply to all of the WAB team?

Again, specific roles, specific people, specific instances of violation are not the question here.

Srirangan
10 May 06,, 10:06
Sri,

Asim is hardly a Moderator!

He is just an Editor!

His power stops at the Edit button. :tongue:

I should know! ;)
That's good! I hope some of the real moderators will look into this now. :)

Bluesman
10 May 06,, 10:13
I withdraw that post. To those that read it...I plead exhaustion. I'm working my first midnight shift of the week, and they're notoriously tough.

Just tired and cranky. I'll feel better tomorrow.

However, I can't really bring myself to apologize. If it didn't apply to you, no harm, no foul. If you DID take offense at what I wrote...you may want to examine why you feel that way.

I just did, and it didn't hurt.

Srirangan
10 May 06,, 10:16
For the love of Allah, SHUT UP!

GodDAYUM, can you people get a new pet rock already?

Mods, how 'bout THIS: the next time somebody starts, responds to, or in any way refers to their bete noir - India OR Pakistan, what say we KILL THE HELL OUT OF 'EM? If you jerks wanted to talk up your hometown that would be fine, and I'm sure we'd all learn a lot about how dam' COOL India and/or Pakistan was, but NO - we have to read all about how inferior the OTHER side is, how sinful/mean/nasty/brutish/ugly THEY can be. (Yeah, I know: I've been guilty of Muslim-bashing in here, too. But I have proven myself capable of STOPPING IT!)

This place has slid right back into the sewer over the past month.

Between threads like THIS one, moonbat n00bs, pseudo-scientific doom-mongers and more 'So's your old man' Indian-Pakistani hate-fest mud-slingin' DRIVEL...this place is getting to the point where it's becoming worthless to anybody that doesn't happen to LIKE that crap. I am getting prejudiced. I honestly hope NO new Muslims nor young Indians join, because it's always the same with you idiots: the other guys are just YUCKY!

I'm serious: Mods should ban-for-a-week ANY poster from India that refers to Pakistan, and any Pakistani poster that refers to India. Because it will NOT be a complimentary post. Because it will NOT further the mission of this board. Because it will NOT advance understanding of either side. Because we are all so dam' SICK OF YOUR SQUALID LITTLE GROTTY IMPLACABLE HOSTILITY.

If y'all want someplace to do this perverse little tantrum, as deep as the hate runs and as much as y'all seem to cherish your grudges, there must be a hundred places out on the 'Net that could fulfill this sickness, without dragging the rest of us into it.

If you think I'm over-reacting, go to the 'New Posts' button and press it right now. See what percentage of threads have to do with you-know-what, and how many got nasty and personal on the first page.

Mods? Throw the Indians out when they post derogatory articles up about Pakistan. Throw the Muslims out that respond, get personal, or do the same things that get Indians chucked.

Y'all are behaving like Third Worlders. Stop it; grow up.
Let's not make this into an India-Pakistan spat. It is an instance of a WAB moderator/editor supporting terrorists.

It's not Pakistani specific. It is not Indian specific. It is not Asim specific, a general rule should be enforced and implemented.

Ray
10 May 06,, 10:38
Bluesman,

While I understand your anger, do start some thread where it is worthwhile for others to get involved with. That is the best way to keep people off their hobby horses!

Now lets explain the India Pakistan issue since it appears you have not understood the same. I feel I must explain so that you have a correct perspective and more tolerance than what you have just displayed with those rather harsh words.

I will take an US example.

Remember how the Russians got kicked out of WAB or were you not a member then?

Whatever for were they chucked out? Why did the WAB descend to the levels of the Indo Pak threads? Any answer?

Why did you not love the USSR? They are good chaps, aren't they? Real good joes. right? ;)

Why do you all rant about Democrats, Liberals and Socialists or Europe or France?

They are also great people to know and they are, excepting the Europeans and the French, all American citizens! :eek:

Why the hate posts then?

It was equally disgusting to others when the US election was on.

It is just that there aren't enough of Democrats, Liberals and Socialists or Europe or French here to take you on and reduce the WAB to the Indo Pak spat level. And you have a free playing field to indulge in a good berating of those who do not inhibit the WAB! :tongue:

Thus, you find the problems of India Pak spats here. It is as emotional as your disliking the USSR, Communism, Saddam, beheading of Americans, killing of US soldiers in Iraq etc. Yes sir, that emotional and personal an issue.

That apart, I agree it is getting to be real tiring and exasperating!

I thought you should know.

The only thing in your favour is that this is an American website and so naturally should be attuned to American desires.

But then it is Headquartered I think in the UK.

Ane yet the British get bashed on Iraq! :eek: ;)

Confusing, right?

And the Indians and Pakistanis are making it more confusing, right!

Go bash them like hell. Nuke them! :biggrin:

But then, Bluesman, you are right. It is getting tiring.

BTW have you noticed the increase in the Google Ads that are India specific?! ;)

Ray
10 May 06,, 10:46
Bluesman,

Withdrew that post?

Nice one here:

http://www.worldaffairsboard.com/showthread.php?p=215749#post215749

Bluesman
10 May 06,, 10:48
Bluesman,

Withdrew that post?

Nice one here:

http://www.worldaffairsboard.com/showthread.php?p=215749#post215749

Thanks. I'm a lot more proud of THAT one. ;)

Ray
10 May 06,, 10:56
I know that none will listen, but I will still have a shot.

Can we post (myself included) on any thread with facts and less of emotions?

I think that Bluesman and many others are honestly really tired out even if highly educated about the sub continent!

Some of them know so much, thanks to us, that they might be posted to India or Pakistan as the next Ambassadors and they will do a better job than the present incumbents! :biggrin: I hope they will then invite us for cocktails at the Embassy! :tongue:

I know the excitement will not be there, but why invite heart attacks? Most of you are young. Too early for you to die! :biggrin:

So take it easy and look busy.

Srirangan
10 May 06,, 10:57
I know that none will listen, but I will still have a shot.

Can we post (myself included) on any thread with facts and less of emotions?

I think that Bluesman and many others are honestly really tired out even if highly educated about the sub continent!

Some of them know so much, thanks to us, that they might be posted to India or Pakistan as the next Ambassadors and they will do a better job than the present incumbents! :biggrin: I hope they will then invite us for cocktails at the Embassy! :tongue:

I know the excitement will not be there, but why invite heart attacks? Most of you are young. Too early for you to die! :biggrin:

So take it easy and look busy.

If you can't stop a WAB moderator/editor supporting terrorists, how do you plan to control emotions of all Indians and Pakistanis?

Ray
10 May 06,, 10:58
Thanks. I'm a lot more proud of THAT one. ;)

But it is an urgent butter cookie distribution invitation for me! ;) :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:

Parihaka
10 May 06,, 10:59
I withdraw that post. To those that read it...I plead exhaustion. I'm working my first midnight shift of the week, and they're notoriously tough.

Just tired and cranky. I'll feel better tomorrow.

However, I can't really bring myself to apologize. If it didn't apply to you, no harm, no foul. If you DID take offense at what I wrote...you may want to examine why you feel that way.

I just did, and it didn't hurt.
I've been exploring these threads for a while on the 'if you can't beat em join em' theory, and once you develop the 'scan past the bullsh:ters' mode (I don't use ignore since my brain does that for me) some of it's actually quite interesting. Anyway, get some sleep buddy and I'll see if my wonderful mediation skill can't calm things down LOL, I also note TopHatter's laying down the law a bit lately as well. Give it a week or two to run its course and we'll be back on an even keel matey :)

Ray
10 May 06,, 10:59
If you can't stop a WAB moderator/editor supporting terrorists, how do you plan to control emotions of all Indians and Pakistanis?

I can only appeal.

Ray
10 May 06,, 11:06
I've been exploring these threads for a while on the 'if you can't beat em join em' theory, and once you develop the 'scan past the bullsh:ters' mode (I don't use ignore since my brain does that for me) some of it's actually quite interesting. Anyway, get some sleep buddy and I'll see if my wonderful mediation skill can't calm things down LOL, I also note TopHatter's laying down the law a bit lately as well. Give it a week or two to run its course and we'll be back on an even keel matey :)


Parihaka,

TH is sure laying down the rules.

But in the bargain, he is going crazy!

I really feel sorry for him and the other Moderators!

They may not have gone to Iraq, but what they face here is worse than Iraq! :biggrin:

In fact, they should be sent to settle the Iraq confusion and on the side also have a chat with Ahmedininja.

And guess what?

They may suceed where others are failing! :biggrin:

Parihaka
10 May 06,, 11:11
Guys, you've got to admit this thread (http://www.worldaffairsboard.com/showthread.php?t=11979) is pretty indicative of all the bashing that's been going on for a while now. Lots of baiting all round.

I realize the emnity isn't going to go away, but how about a single or at most two threads specifically devoted to posting newspaper articles about the others countries and everyone can come there to yell at each other. :biggrin:
Don't get me wrong, I'm actually enjoying learning about y'all but instead of 20 new threads a day, lets try and build one giant thread and see if we can't beat the 'could germany have won WWII' thread which currently holds the record for most posts...
Didn't you start a focused news thread a while ago Ray?

Parihaka
10 May 06,, 11:12
Parihaka,

TH is sure laying down the rules.

But in the bargain, he is going crazy!

I really feel sorry for him and the other Moderators!

They may not have gone to Iraq, but what they face here is worse than Iraq! :biggrin:

In fact, they should be sent to settle the Iraq confusion and on the side also have a chat with Ahmedininja.

And guess what?

They may suceed where others are failing! :biggrin:

I often feel that reading through the Asian sub-forums must be what it is like to be at the UN without a translator :biggrin:

Neo
10 May 06,, 12:29
You can always appoint Ray as you personal interprettor Parihaka! :tongue: :biggrin:
No offence Ray! :)

Hari_Om
10 May 06,, 13:38
Guys, you've got to admit this thread (http://www.worldaffairsboard.com/showthread.php?t=11979) is pretty indicative of all the bashing that's been going on for a while now. Lots of baiting all round.



Parihaka,

Distance can distort view points.

Talking from closer to ground zero, let me say, a terrorist strike on the Ellora Caves is not a matter not to get worked up over, though perhaps the degree of being worked up in the thread was over the top.

Besides the ensuing loss of lives, India will have to live with an important historical monument damaged and here we are not merely talking about this being a monument to a style of architecture or a monument to a bygone era, but a monument to an important ideal.

The Ellora Caves is a treasured Indian historical monument among other reasons because “with its sanctuaries devoted to Buddhism, Hinduism and Jainism, it illustrates the spirit of tolerance that was characteristic of ancient India.” (http://whc.unesco.org/pg.cfm?cid=31&id_site=243)

But then again in today’s day and age, distance is no guarantor of immunity from adverse consequences in a very direct and immediate way.

The Ellora Caves happen to be a UNESCO designated World Heritage Site.

That consequently attracts lots of foreign tourists to come and visit. I do not know how many tourists from New Zealand travel in India. I suspect from your response not many but even then I would be willing to wager that a decent percentage of them would have Ellora on the itinerary.

The blight of the Democracies of today’s world is that one mans terrorist problem is not the other mans terrorist problem :mad: .

The blight remains as long as it is not “my” terrorist problem. When the blight exsist it is acceptable to be more concerned that any display of outrage by the putative victims does not unduly anger however peripherally the wider pool from which the terrorists were drawn.

That off course reverses when it becomes “my” terrorist problem. Thoughts of concern that any display of outrage by the putative victims does not unduly anger however peripherally the wider pool from which the terrorists were drawn, disappear.

Srirangan
10 May 06,, 13:43
Why is there even a debate about this? Is it not crystal clear? Baiting is going on, has been for ever. But what we have here is a rare instance of a WAB moderator/editor openly sympathezing and defending terrorists.

Should there be bait control is not the discussion, we all know that there can't be bait control without the closure of free speech in the South Asia forums. But there is a line to be drawn, anybody defending anti American terrorists/jehadis would have been banned in a blink of an eye.

Not so this time. Worst of all, the defender is part of the WAB moderator team.

--

PS: If nothing done about it, it would be very unfortunate. Something as trivial as saying the direct dictionary translation of 'Pakistan' is banned but an open defence of terrorists is allowed on World Affairs Board.

Hari_Om
10 May 06,, 13:49
anybody defending anti American terrorists/jehadis would have been banned in a blink of an eye.



More than likely.

I remember the celebaratory tone at the throat slitting in Kashmir resulted in but a warning.

Officer of Engineers
10 May 06,, 14:11
Ok, guys,

You can't have it both ways. The non-South Asians in this forum really don't understand the Indo-Pak rivalry and be as fair as possible meaning that it's a damned well mess. So, they have two choices: either crack down on the entire discussion altogether or let you guys vent with the minimum of censorship as possible. For better or for worst, they choosed the latter.

I don't think that they even read all your posts. Who has the time? You have a problem. Report it. Let them examine the issue and ACCEPT their decision, even if you don't like it. You're a click away to goto another forum where it is more to your liking.

Srirangan
10 May 06,, 14:18
OOE,

Let's talk about having it two ways here.

If any Indian mentions the direct urdu-english translation of Pakistan, it gets deleted immediately. But if a WAB mod defends terrorists in India, nothing will be done about it.

There's nothing to debate here. Nobody is complaining against the ass biting that goes on in South Asia forums. What is being reported is the defending of terrorists by a WAB mod.

If it were defending of a terrorist attacking the West, we'ld have seen an altogether different response. But as far as terrorists attacking India, WAB mods are apparently allowed to defend them and justify them and sympathize for them.

Sweet.

platinum786
10 May 06,, 14:25
All I'm saying is leave Kashmir out of this.

That's recognised as a war of freedom worldwide, thus attacks thier are part of a rebelion not a terrorist agenda.

Btw guy i tink we should be more civil....i mean for heavenssake we have people telling us how to behave....

Srirangan
10 May 06,, 14:26
Nobody is talking about Kashmir. A WAB mod's defence and sympathy for a terrorist is in question.

Confed999
10 May 06,, 14:47
No moderator has posted in that thread. Had the post been in "Pakistani Defense Topics" you may have a point, but even then, him believing someone has been scapegoated is far from supporting terrorists.

Shek
10 May 06,, 14:49
Who is the moderator in question? Bluesman is not a moderator. I have yet to see a post by a moderator that defends jihadis. It appears as if this entire discussion revolves around a non-fact.

Confed999
10 May 06,, 14:51
You can't have it both ways. The non-South Asians in this forum really don't understand the Indo-Pak rivalry and be as fair as possible meaning that it's a damned well mess. So, they have two choices: either crack down on the entire discussion altogether or let you guys vent with the minimum of censorship as possible. For better or for worst, they choosed the latter.
Yes, those are the choices. The only choices. I do not believe they really want us to take a stronger stance, but it appears they are going to force it. Trust me guys, you don't want a crack down to occur...

TopHatter
10 May 06,, 14:58
Trust me guys, you don't want a crack down to occur...
I will second that.

Srirangan
10 May 06,, 15:03
No moderator has posted in that thread. Had the post been in "Pakistani Defense Topics" you may have a point
I'm not a moderator in any forum, am I free to sympathize with the Al Quaida?


him believing someone has been scapegoated is far from supporting terrorists.
A terrorist being arrested with arms/ammunition. Scape goat indeed!

Officer of Engineers
10 May 06,, 15:05
Let it go, Sri. You're not going to win this one. You either want the mods to kill all these disciussions all together or let this one thing go. I suggest you let it go.

Now.

Shek
10 May 06,, 15:12
I'm not a moderator in any forum, am I free to sympathize with the Al Quaida?


A terrorist being arrested with arms/ammunition. Scape goat indeed!

Post the thread where a mod has supported a terrorist. Use the hyperlinked # in the top right corner of the post. You haven't shown a single shred of evidence yet, and have had the opposite effect of not singling out anyone by impugning all the mods instead of the single offender that you allude to. So far, your mod claim rings so hollow as to hurt my ears.

Srirangan
10 May 06,, 15:12
So you mean to say no specific exceptions will be made? Ok, If that's the case then why is there a specific exception for "Pakistan"'s translation into English?

Officer of Engineers
10 May 06,, 15:14
Let it go. Now.

TopHatter
10 May 06,, 15:16
So you mean to say no specific exceptions will be made? Ok, If that's the case then why is there a specific exception for "Pakistan"'s translation into English?
Question: Why this almost fanatical insistence in using that term? Why is it necessary? English speaking posters are quite well aware of what the word "Pakistan" refers to. Most of us here on the WAB can also locate it on map. We certainly don't need a translation of the word into English.

indianguy4u
10 May 06,, 15:48
In this thread Mujahideen protest massacere of hindu's (http://www.worldaffairsboard.com/showthread.php?t=11937) Lunatock asked this question (http://www.worldaffairsboard.com/showpost.php?p=215410&postcount=12) . What was the motive behind this? What if i ask, why dont americans believe when bin laden says when rejects his involvement in 9/11.

In the same thread i posted a post of PDF Moderator, blaming US forces for iraqi civilians lifes. Whats ur reactions to that?

Shek
10 May 06,, 16:09
In this thread Mujahideen protest massacere of hindu's (http://www.worldaffairsboard.com/showthread.php?t=11937) Lunatock asked this question (http://www.worldaffairsboard.com/showpost.php?p=215410&postcount=12) . What was the motive behind this? What if i ask, why dont americans believe when bin laden says when rejects his involvement in 9/11.

In the same thread i posted a post of PDF Moderator, blaming US forces for iraqi civilians lifes. Whats ur reactions to that?

IG4U,
I see Luna's question as legitimate, posing a hypothetical what if it were fully true that the said jihadi group weren't responsible for the death of the innocent Hindus and were truly apologetic. I won't claim to understand anything beyond generalities about Kasmir; however, knowing how divergent many of the jihadi groups, I find it quite plausible that the group could be serious and not just involved in propaganda ops to seperate themselves from the terrorist attack. That isn't to say that I buy the statement, just that in the absence of knowledge about the group Luna poses the question about, I find it to be plausible.

As far as the incident that Plat comments on, having not seen the video, I can't comment on the specificities. However, in general, I would agree with a statement that innocent Iraqi non-combatants have been killed in fighting and at the hands of US troops. That is a fact. However, I would dispute that in these cases, there was an intent to deliberately target non-combatants or a disregard taken in trying to avoid situations where non-combatants would be injured and/or killed.

Anyways, thanks for posting what Sri was alluding to, although I still don't see why this wasn't taken up with the mods directly instead of in a swan song fashion.

Officer of Engineers
10 May 06,, 16:10
People,

You're risking a complete crack down. Start with a blank slate as of today. Let yesterday be yesterday.

Let it go.

Now.

Srirangan
10 May 06,, 16:19
People,

You're risking a complete crack down. Start with a blank slate as of today. Let yesterday be yesterday.

Let it go.

Now.
Why a selective crackdown? Why is "pure land" banned but "poor scapegoat terrorists caught with arms & ammunition" allowed? Be fair.

indianguy4u
10 May 06,, 16:21
IG4U,
I see Luna's question as legitimate, posing a hypothetical what if it were fully true that the said jihadi group weren't responsible for the death of the innocent Hindus and were truly apologetic. I won't claim to understand anything beyond generalities about Kasmir; however, knowing how divergent many of the jihadi groups, I find it quite plausible that the group could be serious and not just involved in propaganda ops to seperate themselves from the terrorist attack. That isn't to say that I buy the statement, just that in the absence of knowledge about the group Luna poses the question about, I find it to be plausible.
Sir,
U forgot to answer, "Will americans accept bin laden's statements about his non-involvement in 9/11?"?


Anyways, thanks for posting what Sri was alluding to, although I still don't see why this wasn't taken up with the mods directly instead of in a swan song fashion.No No. This is not what Srirangan was protesting for. Thats different thread. Here is the Link (http://www.worldaffairsboard.com/showthread.php?t=11979) & the post is this. (http://www.worldaffairsboard.com/showpost.php?p=215713&postcount=5)

TopHatter
10 May 06,, 16:21
Why a selective crackdown? Why is "pure land" banned but "poor scapegoat terrorists caught with arms & ammunition" allowed? Be fair.
Sri,
The Colonel has given good advice. Please heed it. :)

Shek
10 May 06,, 16:24
Why a selective crackdown? Why is "pure land" banned but "poor scapegoat terrorists caught with arms & ammunition" allowed? Be fair.

Why are you quoting yourself? Or are you trying to pass off your quote as something a mod said? If so, you are making yourself eligible to be the first person for the ramp up from a selective to a complete crack down.

Keep singing that swan song and don't listen to OoE if that's what you want.

Shek
10 May 06,, 16:35
Sir,
U forgot to answer, "Will americans accept bin laden's statements about his non-involvement in 9/11?"?

No No. This is not what Srirangan was protesting for. Thats different thread. Here is the Link (http://www.worldaffairsboard.com/showthread.php?t=11979) & the post is this. (http://www.worldaffairsboard.com/showpost.php?p=215713&postcount=5)

1. Considering that OBL is on tape talking about the 9/11 attacks and how he planned them and what his expectations were, I'd say that OBL doesn't believe himself.

2. Look at the title of the thread. If after nearly 2000 posts he hasn't figured out who a mod is and isn't (or that they appear with a bright green label), then maybe he needs to get out of the weeds so he can learn more about the board. The appropriate action would have been to report the post using the "!" button in the bottom left corner of a post and then post on the same thread. Instead, he's chosen a path that may lead to self-martrydom on the altar of WAB protest and hasn't acknowledged that he was wrong to accuse a mod, if these links are truly what he was protesting. He's compounding his error by adding words to mod's statements and then passing them off as quotes.

Regardless of what actions the mods should or should not take against Asim, he is behaving irresponsibly, and if I were a mod, I'd jam him for trying to shove false words in my mouth after much warning and advice to cease and desist from very senior board members.

If there is a perceived bias on any subject, a more effective manner to deal with it would be to write Asim and the mods and work this out in private, accept the final decision of those who are charged with policing the board, and then choose to either remain as a poster or protest by no longer posting instead of posting on a downward spiraling thread.

Ray
10 May 06,, 16:42
You can always appoint Ray as you personal interprettor Parihaka! :tongue: :biggrin:
No offence Ray! :)

Better still, Neo, since he is the diplomatic type! ;)

He is already doing so at the Airport when illegals are hauled up! :tongue:

He understands Urdu and lives in Holland and so understands the western psyche!

kNikS
10 May 06,, 16:43
I don't know what's so insultive with translation of Pakistan but on the other side if Asim want's to believe that terrorists are scapegoats I'm not sure how is that insultive. In best case I find that foolish. I think that he could explain what "poor scapegoat" means.

One more thing - is there something apocaliptic about this topic and I'm unaware of it?

Srirangan
10 May 06,, 16:45
Sri,
The Colonel has given good advice. Please heed it. :)
That's saying "Shut up and don't whine" with a smiley. :) I'ld be happy with that, but then when Pakistani members (mods/editors) whine about "pure land", the same message is not given.

Whiners are annoying, I understand; but could you logically explain to me why the double standards?

Shek
10 May 06,, 16:51
Guys, you've got to admit this thread (http://www.worldaffairsboard.com/showthread.php?t=11979) is pretty indicative of all the bashing that's been going on for a while now. Lots of baiting all round.

Parihaka,
Yes, there are certainly numerous master baiters on WAB :biggrin:

Ray
10 May 06,, 16:51
Ok, guys,

You can't have it both ways. The non-South Asians in this forum really don't understand the Indo-Pak rivalry and be as fair as possible meaning that it's a damned well mess. So, they have two choices: either crack down on the entire discussion altogether or let you guys vent with the minimum of censorship as possible. For better or for worst, they choosed the latter.

I don't think that they even read all your posts. Who has the time? You have a problem. Report it. Let them examine the issue and ACCEPT their decision, even if you don't like it. You're a click away to goto another forum where it is more to your liking.


Colonel,

Why are you starting it off again.

History CANNOT BE CHANGED! The name and the rationale has been coined by a PAKISTANI.

The same as the QUARAN!

Can you say that CANADA is a Wasteland with poor immigrants and wasters living off the USA!

Obviously not, since that would be stupid.

Likewise, Pakistan IS "The Home of the Pure" as was stated by the Person who COINED it for Paksitan!

How can the Moderators or anyone change it?

I have really got ried of it and as soon I want to put the whole thing behind me, it pops up again! :tongue:

Another forum being a click away is fine but are you suggesting that we accept that Canada is a country of no gooders and waster if some idiot wants to say it and someone in the Moderating team agrees it becomes the Gospel truth?

Please note this is nothing personal.

It is just an example.

Pakistan's History


The Islamic State of Pakistan, as it is called, had its 52nd birthday in 1999, having been created in 1947 by the partition of British India. The Muslims wanted their own separate land, away from the Hindus of India. "Pakistan" means "land of the pure."
http://www.domini.org/openbook/unveiling_of_pakistan.htm#_Toc474513948

Asim can say what he wants. I wonder where he studied

Here is what Pakistani Students Association at Georgia State University has to say. Check in the Heading after the Word "Pakistan". It says "Land of the Pure"

PAKISTAN
"The Land of Pure"

http://www.geocities.com/thenew_psa_at_gsu2002/pak_constitution.html

This is in addition to what I have already posted on what the originator said and meant. The dictionary meaning and what the DAWN Pakistan newspaper most widely read stated!

Therefore, Asim as usual is bent on causing confusion and also when he is caught with his foot in the mouth tends to take the thread on a tangent with contrived issues.


Everywhere it is accepted in Pakistan and by Paksitani citizens, except our good old Asim and this man becomes the "expert" and then causes a whole lot of waste of time and unnecessary acrimonious equation between the WAB members and between WAB members and Moderators.

The amount of ill will be has been able to generate is legend!

A historical first for WAB

Officer of Engineers
10 May 06,, 17:12
Colonel,

Why are you starting it off again.

Sir,

I am not trying to start it again. I'm trying to warn Sri and others to calm down before a massive censorship of the issue occur which does no one good. I don't pretend to understand the Indo-Pak rivalry but at least the ideas are there without the censorship. With the censorship, there will be nothing to learn.

Also, Sir, I have too much respect for you not to heed your words. I understand where you're coming from. And I have no wish for any censorship on any topic that you wish to discuss.

Hence, my advice to Sri and others to let it go before the Moderators can't tolerate the enflamed verbal slugfest any longer.

Ray
10 May 06,, 17:15
Two major facts substantiate this argument. First, all of the fundamentalist Islamic groups in India, including the Jamaat-i-Islami, had bitterly opposed the creation of a separate State. Jinnah, who had come to be known as Quaid-e-Azam (great leader) by partisans of Pakistan, was dubbed Kafir-e-Azam (the greatest heretic) by these religious groups; Pakistan which means land of the pure (pure in faith), was called Kafiristan (land of the heretics). Their opposition was firmly based on the idea that the separate State of Pakistan was not sufficiently imbued with tenets of religion, and revolved around the political and economic benefits for Indian Muslims. The main objection fielded by Jamaat-i-Islami was the conflict between the two-nation theory and Islamic concepts. Claims by the League that Indian Muslims were a distinct nation and entitled to a separate State were rejected as being contradictory to pan-Islamism. According to pan-Islamism, Muslims of the world were one nation, and Islam did not allow separation or fragmentation of this nation into territorially defined nation-states" (42)

http://www.ichrdd.ca/english/commdoc/publications/demDev/pakistan/pakistanddeng2.html

Ray
10 May 06,, 17:21
Sir,

I am not trying to start it again. I'm trying to warn Sri and others to calm down before a massive censorship of the issue occur which does no one good. I don't pretend to understand the Indo-Pak rivalry but at least the ideas are there without the censorship. With the censorship, there will be nothing to learn.

Also, Sir, I have too much respect for you not to heed your words. I understand where you're coming from. And I have no wish for any censorship on any topic that you wish to discuss.

Hence, my advice to Sri and others to let it go before the Moderators can't tolerate the enflamed verbal slugfest any longer.

colonel,

Censorship is something new to some people ;) In fact, they may feel comfortable.

What really upsets me is this Political Correctness.

The West takes somersaults and backflips to be Politically Correct which goes to the extent of even not believing what is a fact!

Tomorrow, the Hindus here will complain on some hsitorical fact and we will all agree that it is agitating people and so we won't allow that!

That too is also censorship and gagging, if one wishes to club it so.

HOnestly, I am tired of this.

TopHatter
10 May 06,, 17:23
That's saying "Shut up and don't whine" with a smiley. :)
You can certainly take it that way if you wish.

I am trying to offer you friendly and non-threatening advice and counsel, as is Confed9999 and the Colonel.

Ray
10 May 06,, 17:36
Moderators,

What about this?

Asim's Post # 8 in thread: Mujahideen protest massacere of hindu's
View Single Post


What I found suspicious was that this doesn't really help the mujahideen's cause at all!

If they kill the military, hey I'd clap for that actually. But Hindu civillians!? That I'd think is low. What military objective does it fullfill? The fight in Kashmir is hardly about religion, no Islamic jihad crap, no matter what OBL started saying 2 days ago. Its a 60 yr old fight. It's political and filled with military objectives.

Plus it coincided with the Indian engineer dying in India's close allied country Afghanistan.

Double foreign sympathy ++ for India. One bad for Pakistan, one bad for Kashmir.

Now, what would be the action if ASim wrote that he would clap for Zarqawi if the killed the US Army soldiers?

The true United colours of Benneton emerges! ;)

I have not complained since he is a deranged individual and a total pervert. This attitude as shown above justifies by feeling so.

Note the sneaky wording:


If they kill the military, hey I'd clap for that actually. [/COLOR]But Hindu civillians!? That I'd think is low.

He has his say of applauding killings and then wants to come up smelling of roses. I don't call him weasel mouth for no reason. A sewer rat would smell better!

Would I not be justified if I complained?

Srirangan
10 May 06,, 17:37
You can certainly take it that way if you wish.

I am trying to offer you friendly and non-threatening advice and counsel, as is Confed9999 and the Colonel.
I would like to know when I ask for censorship of sympathy shown towards terrorists it is denied, but when others ask for censorship of the literal direct translation of Pakistan, it is granted. Why the double standards?

TopHatter
10 May 06,, 17:42
I would like to know when I ask for censorship of sympathy shown towards terrorists it is denied, but when others ask for censorship of the literal direct translation of Pakistan, it is granted. Why the double standards?
I'll admit this: I've been a little busy with countless PM's from both sides, not to mention non-stop trying to discuss this entire situation with the moderators to see the sympathy for terrorists and where and how it was denied.

I'll see what I can find. Thank you for your cooperation.

Srirangan
10 May 06,, 17:45
Thanks.

Officer of Engineers
10 May 06,, 17:47
colonel,

Censorship is something new to some people ;) In fact, they may feel comfortable.

They can go over to the PDF, Sir.


What really upsets me is this Political Correctness.

The West takes somersaults and backflips to be Politically Correct which goes to the extent of even not believing what is a fact!

I'm culturally and politically ignorant in alot of things and I tend to shut up in things I don't know anything about. However, Sir, politically correct I am not. Ask my wife. I'm never correct.


Tomorrow, the Hindus here will complain on some hsitorical fact and we will all agree that it is agitating people and so we won't allow that!

That too is also censorship and gagging, if one wishes to club it so.

To be honest, Sir. I did not even know that the "pure" land word was banned and I can see why this is frustrating in defending a historic fact.

However, Sir, why are you letting Asim getting your goat? He's at best a tabloid type journalist who reports inneuendo to suggest it as fact. He may be a party animal (emphasis on animal) but he lacks the fortitude to stand beside either one of us when it's raining steel.


HOnestly, I am tired of this.

That, Sir, is perhaps the worst censorship of all.

Ray
10 May 06,, 17:49
I will vouch for Top Hatter's contention that he has had more than his share of this nonsense.

He is always the sole one to take it whenever there is the flare up!

I think he deserves a break!

Ray
10 May 06,, 17:53
However, Sir, why are you letting Asim getting your goat?

What do you do when someone acts the goat (and this is an English phrase. I am not calling Asim a Goat)?

I find below a whole lot of people on this thread.

It means it is exciting the crowd! ;)

A nice circus, what?



My sweet lord
Hm, my lord
Hm, my lord

I really want to see you
Really want to be with you
Really want to see you lord
But it takes so long, my lord

My sweet lord
Hm, my lord
Hm, my lord

I really want to know you
Really want to go with you
Really want to show you lord
That it won't take long, my lord (hallelujah)

My sweet lord (hallelujah)
Hm, my lord (hallelujah)
My sweet lord (hallelujah)

I really want to see you
Really want to see you
Really want to see you, lord
Really want to see you, lord
But it takes so long, my lord (hallelujah)

My sweet lord (hallelujah)
Hm, my lord (hallelujah)
My, my, my lord (hallelujah)

I really want to know you (hallelujah)
Really want to go with you (hallelujah)
Really want to show you lord (aaah)
That it won't take long, my lord (hallelujah)

Hmm (hallelujah)
My sweet lord (hallelujah)
My, my, lord (hallelujah)

Hm, my lord (hare krishna)
My, my, my lord (hare krishna)
Oh hm, my sweet lord (krishna, krishna)
Oh-uuh-uh (hare hare)

Now, I really want to see you (hare rama)
Really want to be with you (hare rama)
Really want to see you lord (aaah)
But it takes so long, my lord (hallelujah)

Hm, my lord (hallelujah)
My, my, my lord (hare krishna)
My sweet lord (hare krishna)
My sweet lord (krishna krishna)
My lord (hare hare)
Hm, hm (Gurur Brahma)
Hm, hm (Gurur Vishnu)
Hm, hm (Gurur Devo)
Hm, hm (Maheshwara)
My sweet lord (Gurur Sakshaat)
My sweet lord (Parabrahma)
My, my, my lord (Tasmayi Shree)
My, my, my, my lord (Guruve Namah)
My sweet lord (Hare Rama)

[fade:]

(hare krishna)
My sweet lord (hare krishna)
My sweet lord (krishna krishna)
My lord (hare hare)

I hope that calms the Hindus.

Shek
10 May 06,, 17:58
What do you do when someone acts the goat (and this is an English phrase. I am not calling Asim a Goat)?

I find below a whole lot of people on this thread.

It means it is exciting the crowd! ;)

A nice circus, what?



Sir,
Here's the one link I could find on the expression.

http://www.zyra.org.uk/getgoat.htm

Officer of Engineers
10 May 06,, 17:58
Sir,

One of your faults is that you're far too subtle and far too pilote. You will note that both M21, the good Major Shek, and myself are not above calling an idiot an idiot. Sometimes, you can't trip a jerk with his own words. You've just got to punch him straight in between the eyes.

Ray
10 May 06,, 18:01
Sir,
Here's the one link I could find on the expression.

http://www.zyra.org.uk/getgoat.htm


A few things that might "get your goat" these days: spam, annoying pop-ups, spyware, cybersquatters.

They missed out the real one! ;) :tongue: :cool:

Ray
10 May 06,, 18:03
Sir,

One of your faults is that you're far too subtle and far too pilote. You will note that both M21, the good Major Shek, and myself are not above calling an idiot an idiot. Sometimes, you can't trip a jerk with his own words. You've just got to punch him straight in between the eyes.

Asdim doesn't think so.

I think you guys are subtle, though Sniper would lick the fellow in the teeth! :tongue:

Ass clown is his favourite word and he used it for a chap around these parts! ;)

I liked that word.

THL
10 May 06,, 18:04
I would actually like to thank most of you that have posted on this thread...you have revived dear memories that I had long since lost.

I remember a time that my mother, grandfather, sister and I were driving from Chicago to West Virginia. Through the hills, some of you will recognize those signs that say "Watch Out For Falling Rock". My grandfather used to tell us a tale about an (American) Indian tribe with a boy that went out to prove himself to his elders by hunting a buffalo. He never returned and his family put up signs asking people to help find him. That boys name: Falling Rock. There are obviously more details to the story than that, but just the thought of hearing my deceased grandfather telling that story to us EVERYTIME we passed a sign and then later pointing out the window and saying that he thought he had just seen that missing (American) Indian boy in the brushes...awesome memory. Incredible.

Unfortunately, along with this serene, perfect memory of my youth comes along all the times my sister or I would yell from the backseat, "Mom! She touched me!" or "Mom! She's looking at me!". My sister an I caused an accident once because we were in the backseat hitting eachother with batons and one went out of control and flew into the front seat distracting my mom, who was driving.

This is what I am reading here. A bunch of kids telling on eachother, calling eachother names and making faces at the other behind their parents back. This is silly. My daughter would be smacked for this behavior. I dont understand the problems India and Pakistan have and I am not going to try and figure it out right now. I have asked others to explain it to me and each time they do, I sit there with the same bewildered look.

I find it so hard to understand why you all can't just debate, disagree and be happy without calling eachother names? Without deliberately being mean to one another. I get that there is a social conflict between the two, but I am going to guess (and most likely be right) that there were no personal conflicts before coming to the WAB. I am going to guess that those of you calling eachother names and telling on eachother don't even know eachother. So why not just stop...and start again, but this time with a little less hostility and tantrums and a little more openness and facts?

There have been some awesome debates on the WAB, some get pretty heated (Snipe ;) ) but should that be held above the idea that right now, we are able to come to the WAB and have those debates? With this many people in one place, we are never going to all agree or get along, but we can make it a nice place to visit for everyone, ourselves included. :)

Ray
10 May 06,, 18:09
Sir,

One of your faults is that you're far too subtle and far too pilote. You will note that both M21, the good Major Shek, and myself are not above calling an idiot an idiot. Sometimes, you can't trip a jerk with his own words. You've just got to punch him straight in between the eyes.

Asdim doesn't think so.

I think you guys are subtle, though Sniper would lick the fellow in the teeth! :tongue:

Ass clown is his favourite word and he used it for a chap around these parts! ;)

I liked that word.

I am not polite and I know that!

I get real wild if someone lies or hides from the truth.

Actually, I should not really care, but somehow try as I might, I hate weasels.

Shek
10 May 06,, 18:11
I would actually like to thank most of you that have posted on this thread...you have revived dear memories that I had long since lost.

I remember a time that my mother, grandfather, sister and I were driving from Chicago to West Virginia. Through the hills, some of you will recognize those signs that say "Watch Out For Falling Rock". My grandfather used to tell us a tale about an (American) Indian tribe with a boy that went out to prove himself to his elders by hunting a buffalo. He never returned and his family put up signs asking people to help find him. That boys name: Falling Rock. There are obviously more details to the story than that, but just the thought of hearing my deceased grandfather telling that story to us EVERYTIME we passed a sign and then later pointing out the window and saying that he thought he had just seen that missing (American) Indian boy in the brushes...awesome memory. Incredible.

Unfortunately, along with this serene, perfect memory of my youth comes along all the times my sister or I would yell from the backseat, "Mom! She touched me!" or "Mom! She's looking at me!". My sister an I caused an accident once because we were in the backseat hitting eachother with batons and one went out of control and flew into the front seat distracting my mom, who was driving.

This is what I am reading here. A bunch of kids telling on eachother, calling eachother names and making faces at the other behind their parents back. This is silly. My daughter would be smacked for this behavior. I dont understand the problems India and Pakistan have and I am not going to try and figure it out right now. I have asked others to explain it to me and each time they do, I sit there with the same bewildered look.

I find it so hard to understand why you all can't just debate, disagree and be happy without calling eachother names? Without deliberately being mean to one another. I get that there is a social conflict between the two, but I am going to guess (and most likely be right) that there were no personal conflicts before coming to the WAB. I am going to guess that those of you calling eachother names and telling on eachother don't even know eachother. So why not just stop...and start again, but this time with a little less hostility and tantrums and a little more openness and facts?

There have been some awesome debates on the WAB, some get pretty heated (Snipe ;) ) but should that be held above the idea that right now, we are able to come to the WAB and have those debates? With this many people in one place, we are never going to all agree or get along, but we can make it a nice place to visit for everyone, ourselves included. :)

Party pooper!

Ray
10 May 06,, 18:23
Unfortunately, along with this serene, perfect memory of my youth comes along all the times my sister or I would yell from the backseat, "Mom! She touched me!" or "Mom! She's looking at me!". My sister an I caused an accident once because we were in the backseat hitting eachother with batons and one went out of control and flew into the front seat distracting my mom, who was driving.


Horrible children!

Lucky the US roads are huge or else we would have missed this! ;) :biggrin:

Now just tie your seatbelt in the backseat and don't do backseat driving! ;) :biggrin: :biggrin:

The problem is that you have not read all the threads.

All this is the culmination of a whole lot of things.

Like we don't understand why the US attacked Iraq, you won't understand this!

Karthik
10 May 06,, 18:25
My sweet lord
Hm, my lord
Hm, my lord

I really want to see you
Really want to be with you
Really want to see you lord
But it takes so long, my lord

My sweet lord
Hm, my lord
Hm, my lord

I really want to know you
Really want to go with you
Really want to show you lord
That it won't take long, my lord (hallelujah)

My sweet lord (hallelujah)
Hm, my lord (hallelujah)
My sweet lord (hallelujah)

I really want to see you
Really want to see you
Really want to see you, lord
Really want to see you, lord
But it takes so long, my lord (hallelujah)

My sweet lord (hallelujah)
Hm, my lord (hallelujah)
My, my, my lord (hallelujah)

I really want to know you (hallelujah)
Really want to go with you (hallelujah)
Really want to show you lord (aaah)
That it won't take long, my lord (hallelujah)

Hmm (hallelujah)
My sweet lord (hallelujah)
My, my, lord (hallelujah)

Hm, my lord (hare krishna)
My, my, my lord (hare krishna)
Oh hm, my sweet lord (krishna, krishna)
Oh-uuh-uh (hare hare)

Now, I really want to see you (hare rama)
Really want to be with you (hare rama)
Really want to see you lord (aaah)
But it takes so long, my lord (hallelujah)

Hm, my lord (hallelujah)
My, my, my lord (hare krishna)
My sweet lord (hare krishna)
My sweet lord (krishna krishna)
My lord (hare hare)
Hm, hm (Gurur Brahma)
Hm, hm (Gurur Vishnu)
Hm, hm (Gurur Devo)
Hm, hm (Maheshwara)
My sweet lord (Gurur Sakshaat)
My sweet lord (Parabrahma)
My, my, my lord (Tasmayi Shree)
My, my, my, my lord (Guruve Namah)
My sweet lord (Hare Rama)

[fade:]

(hare krishna)
My sweet lord (hare krishna)
My sweet lord (krishna krishna)
My lord (hare hare)


:)

Shek
10 May 06,, 18:35
Sir,
I didn't know that you were a Chiffons fan!

Lunatock
10 May 06,, 18:48
Parihaka,

TH is sure laying down the rules.

But in the bargain, he is going crazy!

I really feel sorry for him and the other Moderators!

They may not have gone to Iraq, but what they face here is worse than Iraq! :biggrin:

In fact, they should be sent to settle the Iraq confusion and on the side also have a chat with Ahmedininja.

And guess what?

They may suceed where others are failing! :biggrin:


Without the long details involved. Let me just say that the only thing that sets my Mod position apart from my real life, paying job (photographer) is that nobody wanted to have me arrested for doing my job as Moderator. :cool:

THL
10 May 06,, 19:12
Party pooper!
Maaaaa-aaammmm....Shek is calling me names!!!

;)

TopHatter
10 May 06,, 19:15
Party pooper!


Maaaaa-aaammmm....Shek is calling me names!!! ;)
BOTH OF YOU KIDS KNOCK IT OFF OR I'LL TURN THIS FORUM AROUND!! :mad:

TopHatter
10 May 06,, 19:17
TH is sure laying down the rules.
Merely trying to enforce them Sir. :)


But in the bargain, he is going crazy!
Too late, THL has already taken care of that years ago. ;)

Ray
10 May 06,, 19:18
:biggrin:

Blademaster
10 May 06,, 19:23
I

I find it so hard to understand why you all can't just debate, disagree and be happy without calling eachother names? Without deliberately being mean to one another. I get that there is a social conflict between the two, but I am going to guess (and most likely be right) that there were no personal conflicts before coming to the WAB. I am going to guess that those of you calling eachother names and telling on eachother don't even know eachother. So why not just stop...and start again, but this time with a little less hostility and tantrums and a little more openness and facts?

There have been some awesome debates on the WAB, some get pretty heated (Snipe ;) ) but should that be held above the idea that right now, we are able to come to the WAB and have those debates? With this many people in one place, we are never going to all agree or get along, but we can make it a nice place to visit for everyone, ourselves included. :)

For one simple reason, we hate each other to the guts. I despise Pakistan. You will never understand it because you have not experience the pain and suffering that my family and family friends had to go through. I had a friend whose father lost 7 brothers and sisters during the Partition. I knew someone whose family was wiped out by the jihadi terrorists raid in Kashmir. Those are my brethren and countrymen and they bled.

Frankly, I find your post to be incredibly conscendencing. This is not like two sisters quabbling with each other because one of them hit them or called them names. This is something different. This is an enemy battling an enemy who have threatened the other's families, raped its brethen, killed them in the name of a god that the other side don't follow.

Don't ever compare us to a bunch of sisters squabbling because we are not. We are fighting against an enemy who does not care for our way of life and will see rivers of blood and mountains of dead to ensure their way of life rules. This is a struggle of life and death.

kNikS
10 May 06,, 19:46
For one simple reason, we hate each other to the guts. I despise Pakistan. You will never understand it because you have not experience the pain and suffering that my family and family friends had to go through. I had a friend whose father lost 7 brothers and sisters during the Partition. I knew someone whose family was wiped out by the jihadi terrorists raid in Kashmir. Those are my brethren and countrymen and they bled.

Frankly, I find your post to be incredibly conscendencing. This is not like two sisters quabbling with each other because one of them hit them or called them names. This is something different. This is an enemy battling an enemy who have threatened the other's families, raped its brethen, killed them in the name of a god that the other side don't follow.

Don't ever compare us to a bunch of sisters squabbling because we are not. We are fighting against an enemy who does not care for our way of life and will see rivers of blood and mountains of dead to ensure their way of life rules. This is a struggle of life and death.
I think I know what are you talking about.

dalem
10 May 06,, 19:47
Don't ever compare us to a bunch of sisters squabbling because we are not. We are fighting against an enemy who does not care for our way of life and will see rivers of blood and mountains of dead to ensure their way of life rules. This is a struggle of life and death.

No, THIS is a struggle of neener-neener posts on a web forum intended for other purposes.

-dale

Gautam
10 May 06,, 19:48
Yes, those are the choices. The only choices. I do not believe they really want us to take a stronger stance, but it appears they are going to force it. Trust me guys, you don't want a crack down to occur...


For that u will need 2 verse urself with Indian & Pakistani lingo

or Asim will come around, do his usual and change the meaning of a word to a racist meaning.

For all we know tomm Asim could declare Jihadi word to be derogratory.

Gautam
10 May 06,, 19:49
Question: Why this almost fanatical insistance in using that term? Why is it neccessary? English speaking posters are quite well aware of what the word "Pakistan" refers to. Most of us here on the WAB can also locate it on map. We certainly don't need a translation of the word into English.


Yet pure land is considered racist when I have proven that the word was coined by none other then the man who formed the movement for an independent state i.e. Pakistan.

Asim Aquil
10 May 06,, 19:50
Sri,

Asim is hardly a Moderator!

He is just an Editor!

His power stops at the Edit button. :tongue:

I should know! ;)

By the way all those freak times you've accused me of editting your posts, you've been wrong. It can easily be verified by asking any Admin about the log files.

Ray you've got a knack for getting over excited over nothing. An example's your outburst on Luna who actually said something nice about your post but you didn't understand him.

Perhaps you should give everyone else here the benefit of the doubt, assuming that you DO jump to conclusions.

Have the log files checked. I didn't edit the posts of the people in the thread I locked, let alone would I see the need to edit yours. I try my best not to censor and thus far I haven't.

Get the logs checked.

THL
10 May 06,, 19:59
For one simple reason, we hate each other to the guts. I despise Pakistan. You will never understand it because you have not experience the pain and suffering that my family and family friends had to go through. I had a friend whose father lost 7 brothers and sisters during the Partition. I knew someone whose family was wiped out by the jihadi terrorists raid in Kashmir. Those are my brethren and countrymen and they bled.

Frankly, I find your post to be incredibly conscendencing. This is not like two sisters quabbling with each other because one of them hit them or called them names. This is something different. This is an enemy battling an enemy who have threatened the other's families, raped its brethen, killed them in the name of a god that the other side don't follow.

Don't ever compare us to a bunch of sisters squabbling because we are not. We are fighting against an enemy who does not care for our way of life and will see rivers of blood and mountains of dead to ensure their way of life rules. This is a struggle of life and death.
I was not at all trying to be condescending, I was trying to make the point that by ridiculing eachother and continuing this hatred you are accomplishing nothing. The only outcome, if it is continued this way, is that the whole lot will end up being thrown off the board. If that happens, the WAB loses many good members. Is this the ultimate goal? I would hate to see that happen.

I understand that a lot of bad, evil if you will, has been done, but where does it end? You can either support it, and continue to lose loved ones until there is only one of you left, or be the ones to try and start an end to it.

A message from Father AA: "If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem."

THL
10 May 06,, 20:09
Yet pure land is considered racist when I have proven that the word was coined by none other then the man who formed the movement for an independent state i.e. Pakistan.
Gautam - I have a Q for you, and I seriously mean NO disrespect. I only want to know to help my own understanding.

Since you consider this "pure land" term to not be racist or derogatory (I hope I am correct in that thinking or my question will make no sense, work with me, I am trying to understand :) ) however, it has been said by others that it is considered derogatory to them personally - then why must anyone use the word at all?

If I call someone something (even in fun) and they tell me that it is hurtful to them, I will do my best not to call them that again.


REAL LIFE EXAMPLE HERE: I love the movie Charlie and the Chocolate Factory. I loved the 1st one, too. I love, even more, the Oompa Loompa song from the original movie. LOVE IT!! SING IT ALL THE TIME!! Even have it as a ringtone on my phone. :) Well I was on the phone with someone one night and that person did NOT like the song, or Oompa Loompas, for that matter, and that person asked me countless times to stop. At this point I thought it was funny to be so annoying, so I kept it up. Until that person hung up on me. I then realized that this person REALLY did not like the song, and even though I dont understand for the life of me why this person cannot like the song, I dont sing it around them and I had to apologize for being insensitive. :tongue:

Gautam
10 May 06,, 20:11
I was not at all trying to be condescending, I was trying to make the point that by ridiculing eachother and continuing this hatred you are accomplishing nothing. The only outcome, if it is continued this way, is that the whole lot will end up being thrown off the board. If that happens, the WAB loses many good members. Is this the ultimate goal? I would hate to see that happen.

I understand that a lot of bad, evil if you will, has been done, but where does it end? You can either support it, and continue to lose loved ones until there is only one of you left, or be the ones to try and start an end to it.

A message from Father AA: "If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem."

It can't end. How many times have any one of you heard India sponsering terrorism.

How many times have u heard Pakistan accusing India of terrorism. How many times have u heard that India is responsible for sponsering terrorists in Pakistan.

I haven't.

Fact is that for 58 years Pakistan & every Pakistani has dramed of India's destruction. Their crazy obsession for Kashmir has led to thousands of innocent civilians losing their lives.

Their misadventure in 1947, 62, 71 & 1999 (Kargil) has caught numerous Indian soldiers their lives.

What does Pakistan care about, a nation full of war mongers, a nation with no clear path of progress.

A nation that can't even make a simple choice between either Jihad in Kashmir or progress of its economy.

Let me ask you all


What is Pakistan's contribution to the world & Humanity

Terrorism, Terrorists & Jihadis. Nothing else.

Why would we even give a toss about a nation such as Pakistan. Only if they stopped sponsering terrorism in our country.

America was hit once on 9/11 and it has gone after OBL & Gang mercilesly.

Imagine 57 years of playing around by Pakistan.

None of you can comprehend what goes on in our lives. It is very easy to say lets forget it.

Not easy when ignorant people like ASIM & PLat openly defend Jihadi's.

How would Americans feel here if someone defended OBL & his actions.

I don't think I need to answer that. It is self-explanatory.

Gautam
10 May 06,, 20:15
Gautam - I have a Q for you, and I seriously mean NO disrespect. I only want to know to help my own understanding.

Since you consider this "pure land" term to not be racist or derogatory (I hope I am correct in that thinking or my question will make no sense, work with me, I am trying to understand :) ) however, it has been said by others that it is considered derogatory to them personally - then why must anyone use the word at all?

If I call someone something (even in fun) and they tell me that it is hurtful to them, I will do my best not to call them that again.


REAL LIFE EXAMPLE HERE: I love the movie Charlie and the Chocolate Factory. I loved the 1st one, too. I love, even more, the Oompa Loompa song from the original movie. LOVE IT!! SING IT ALL THE TIME!! Even have it as a ringtone on my phone. :) Well I was on the phone with someone one night and that person did NOT like the song, or Oompa Loompas, for that matter, and that person asked me countless times to stop. At this point I thought it was funny to be so annoying, so I kept it up. Until that person hung up on me. I then realized that this person REALLY did not like the song, and even though I dont understand for the life of me why this person cannot like the song, I dont sing it around them and I had to apologize for being insensitive. :tongue:

Ok here's my rationale.

Firstly my use of the word was "Land of Pure" and not Pure Land. Secondly it was not an intentional thread. I was just posting a thread & this came to my mind.

I have never before seen this word used on WAB & hence when Sri sent me a PM explaining that there was controversy regarding use of this word, I sent a PM I think to confed999 or some other MOD to change the title.

This didn't happen.

But having said that "Land of Pure" was coined by Rehmat Choudhary Ali" who just happesn to be the founder of Movement of Pakistan.

Back to your question, I used this term first time & just so to avoid any controversy I even pmd a MOD. Things just didn't go fast.

Ask Sri if u don't trust me. Ask Confed999 I think it was him who I sent a PM.

But ASim the kind of weasel he is tried to use this to his own gain.

His knowledge is limited to the boundaries of his house, he has no idea on how to debate but at weaseling I would easily label him the World Champion.

Asim Aquil
10 May 06,, 20:20
That would be appreciated. I think making moderators (though Ray is right, its just an extra edit option) out of both of us (controversial members of both the groups) would take some time to settle in. I know we both are probably the highest posters and maintain high activity and have a chance of editting them.

I sure hope we find our new given niche soon and everyone settles into this new world.

Anyway, its also shifted the weight of the forum to the South Asian politics, which are unmoderated by the both of us. There is still a sense of responsibility since the powers that be (TPTB) have shown some faith in us to tackle the job. Thats why I've laid off answering many personal insults directed towards me recently, out of that respect for the show of faith shown be TPTB, not out of some superiority complex.

I don't use the ignore button too, I just refuse to stoop low(er).

Now the support of terrorism issue..... Terrorism!?!?!? Wait, in INDIA!?

Ok wait, my bad, I mistook Aurangabad to be a place in Kashmir. Though I still have my reservations on why only Muslims are caught in India when there's such a multi-religious undergroud mafia all over India. Well established and far reaching too. But I just don't care the same about the rest of India as much as I care about Kashmir.

Confed's right, I called him a scapegoat since everyone fled and he was the only one caught or made to appear to have been caught by the Indian military. That does not suggest that I said that everyone who fled weren't terrorists. Remember you pointed them out to be PAKISTANIS. It was falsely stated and kinda bated since thats usually just been an accusation related to Kashmir.

Infact I can raise questions. Where in that ARTICLE you posted, does it say they were Pakistanis!? Lashkar's an enemy of the state of Pakistan.

THL
10 May 06,, 20:20
How would Americans feel here if someone defended OBL & his actions.

I don't think I need to answer that. It is self-explanatory.
I agree that many, most, Americans would be outraged at a defense of OBL. But, just as Sadam, in America he would be entitled to someone defending him. How did we feel to see people cheer after 9/11? Hurt, angry, upset. But them cheering is their own problem and in life's end, they are the ones that will have to answer for it. So I say let them cheer. They are the ones that look like a bunch of yahoos. :) (there I go - calling people names! ;) ) I just would like to think that there is a more peaceful way to get your individual points across to one another.

I really wish you could hear my tone as I write this, because I know it is not coming across as soft as I am intending it to.

Gautam
10 May 06,, 20:23
That would be appreciated. I think making moderators (though Ray is right, its just an extra edit option) out of both of us (controversial members of both the groups) would take some time to settle in. I know we both are probably the highest posters and maintain high activity and have a chance of editting them.

I sure hope we find our new given niche soon and everyone settles into this new world.

Anyway, its also shifted the weight of the forum to the South Asian politics, which are unmoderated by the both of us. There is still a sense of responsibility since the powers that be (TPTB) have shown some faith in us to tackle the job. Thats why I've laid off answering many personal insults directed towards me recently, out of that respect for the show of faith shown be TPTB, not out of some superiority complex.

I don't use the ignore button too, I just refuse to stoop low(er).

Now the support of terrorism issue..... Terrorism!?!?!? Wait, in INDIA!?

Ok wait, my bad, I mistook Aurangabad to be a place in Kashmir. Though I still have my reservations on why only Muslims are caught in India when there's such a multi-religious undergroud mafia all over India. Well established and far reaching too. But I just don't care the same about the rest of India as much as I care about Kashmir.

Confed's right, I called him a scapegoat since everyone fled and he was the only one caught or made to appear to have been caught by the Indian military. That does not suggest that I said that everyone who fled weren't terrorists. Remember you pointed them out to be PAKISTANIS. It was falsely stated and kinda bated since thats usually just been an accusation related to Kashmir.

Infact I can raise questions. Where in that ARTICLE you posted, does it say they were Pakistanis!? Lashkar's an enemy of the state of Pakistan.


Remember 1999 Nepal Hijack of Indian Airlines Fligh IC-814.

5 Pakistani nationals hijacked the flight, took it to Kabul and in return got Maulana Masood Azhar who just so happened to turn out to be the mastermind of Daniel Pearl's beheading.

Has Pakistan done anything about Azhar. Yes they have allowed him to move around freely.

For your information your beloved brothers murdered Rupin Katyal, a newl wed returning from his honeymoon.

Do u wanna know why & how he was murdered, bec he dared to see the hijackers in their eyes. His throat was slit.

His wife was on the flight.

Don't even try weasling out of this one.

TopHatter
10 May 06,, 20:26
By the way all those freak times you've accused me of editting your posts, you've been wrong. It can easily be verified by asking any Admin about the log files.
Have the log files checked. I didn't edit the posts of the people in the thread I locked, let alone would I see the need to edit yours. I try my best not to censor and thus far I haven't.

Get the logs checked.
There is no need to check the logs.

If a moderator edits anything on a post, it's recorded down at the bottom of the post for public viewing. It also includes a date/time stamp of when the editing occured.

Asim Aquil
10 May 06,, 20:26
You'd notice I hardly posted in the 2nd thread discussing the same issue. I didn't think it was the proper venue for it and a "STFU" that thread deserved for crapping.

Gautam
10 May 06,, 20:27
I agree that many, most, Americans would be outraged at a defense of OBL. But, just as Sadam, in America he would be entitled to someone defending him. How did we feel to see people cheer after 9/11? Hurt, angry, upset. But them cheering is their own problem and in life's end, they are the ones that will have to answer for it. So I say let them cheer. They are the ones that look like a bunch of yahoos. :) (there I go - calling people names! ;) ) I just would like to think that there is a more peaceful way to get your individual points across to one another.

I really wish you could hear my tone as I write this, because I know it is not coming across as soft as I am intending it to.

Very true. In London u can often find Algerians & other North Africans openly celebrating attacks. The other day, when a bomb exploded in Israel this muslim guy was chanting hizbollah while driving his car. He thought I was a muslim because I am Asian but he was seriously mistaken.

This is about double standards. Have u ever seen anyone of us Indians defending any massacre of muslims.

No. I will be frank, I have no lost love for Muslims, but I will not either tolerate nor participate in any article, act be it here or in real life that either leads or celebrates a person's death regardless of his/her religion.

I can't say that for Pakistani's here, majority of whom openly accept violence & support Jihadis.

Such people are double standard hypocrites who deserve not an inch of sympathy or leeway.

TopHatter
10 May 06,, 20:28
For that u will need 2 verse urself with Indian & Pakistani lingo
You've missed the point of how harsh that crackdown could become.

We wouldn't have to verse ourselves in anything if it got right down to it.

That's the point that Confed and Officer of Engineers are trying to make: You really don't want a crackdown.

Gautam
10 May 06,, 20:29
You'd notice I hardly posted in the 2nd thread discussing the same issue. I didn't think it was the proper venue for it and a "STFU" that thread deserved for crapping.

Are you halucinating??

Find me one person here who can make sense of your posts. Except for trolling or weasling, u don't do much.

Gautam
10 May 06,, 20:29
You've missed the point of how harsh that crackdown could become.

We wouldn't have to verse ourselves in anything if it got right down to it.

That's the point that Confed and Officer of Engineers are trying to make: You really don't want a crackdown.


Well then u might as well ban all South East Asians from WAB ;)

TopHatter
10 May 06,, 20:33
Well then u might as well ban all South East Asians from WAB ;)
I don't think it will go that far. ;)

Gautam
10 May 06,, 20:39
I don't think it will go that far. ;)


Here is my prespective on this whole debate.

Asim & Co just couldn't handle the onslaught and hence resorted to complaining.

As the saying goes "What goes around, Comes Around"

PLat day after day comes here & justs posts 8-10 articles from Times of India.
All the articles are always of negative nature about India & very well selected.

He never debates, he posts the articles, trolls around, tries to bait people and then retires to his **** hole PDF.

Everyone is aware of his two faces @ WAB and PDF.

Well when we decided to take matters into our own hand, people started shitting in their pants.

Anyways this is an endless debate, no winners here.

THL
10 May 06,, 20:40
I can't say that for Pakistani's here, majority of whom openly accept violence & support Jihadis.

Such people are double standard hypocrites who deserve not an inch of sympathy or leeway.I am confused by people who celebrate the misfortune or death of others. But again, I feel that if that is what they want to spend their time doing, I am not going to bash them for it. To me it seems a waste of time, but I am sure if they followed me around for a few days they would find many of my activities wasteful of time as well. :)

You say that the majority of Pakistani's accept and support violence and jihadis - that may or may not be true, I dont know. But is it not safe to assume that it is not ALL of them? It cannot possibly be. We have many a Pakistani here who cried with us in September.


Gautam, I appreciate your taking the time to explain some of these things to me as I have asked. Thank you. I dont think that you and I are going to agree on everything (my Liberal Left steps out from beind a tree :) ) but I think it is fantastic that you have been able to explain and answer to my ignorances calmly and with understanding. For this, you have gained my respect. :)

Asim Aquil
10 May 06,, 20:40
[QUOTE=Ray]Moderators,

[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman][B]Now, what would be the action if ASim wrote that he would clap for Zarqawi if the killed the US Army soldiers?

If I celebrated the death of the US military in Iraq, that would mean I'm an enemy of the US. I AM against the war, but a safe and sound pullout of all the US soldiers would please me the most as a suitable end to the war; a massacre on any side won't. Thats my opinion on THAT.

Now for me clapping for Indian soldiers being killed (remember we're talking about Kashmir, I'd not want them killed while trying to maintain calm in Gujarat or any other such hot riot points in India, for e.g.) would definitely mean that I AM an enemy of the Indian soldiers stationed in Kashmir since I oppose their occupation. Thats my political inclination, was it really a secret ever?

I already pointed out that the use of "Pakistani Jihadi" made me think about Kashmir and I really had just skimmed through the article, aurangabad even sounds like some Muslim place (named after perhaps the Muslim ruler, Aurangzeb, just guessing), so really I wouldn't celebrate the death of Indian soldiers in that fight. But if it comes to choosing between soldiers and the oppressed Kashmiris, I will ALWAYS support them. I openly state that! I support Kashmiri separatists fighting Indian soldiers. SINCE THAT IS NOT INDIA! Kashmir according to the UN... IS a disputed territory. Pakistan, MY Country has a claim on it. Kashmiris, a nation that is very close to us also have a FREEDOM claim on it.

I thought this post was necessary since I felt my absence is really twisted my words and placed them out of context.

What can you do if I cheer for a killed Indian soldier by a Kashmiri separatist? Well not that I do it a whole lot, but I'm left asking if you're going to advocate censorship of such high degree, as OOE mentioned shouldn't you not be allowed to not celebrate the death of Kashmiri separatists?

Also note I categorically separated Indian soldiers as the enemy and in that post I was outraged for the death of civillians (who were Hindus) which are all Kashmiri, Hindu and Muslim alike belong to Kashmiri nation according to me.

Officer of Engineers
10 May 06,, 20:43
PLat day after day comes here & justs posts 8-10 articles from Times of India.
All the articles are always of negative nature about India & very well selected.

Kill the message. Not the messenger.

Ray
10 May 06,, 20:44
No, THIS is a struggle of neener-neener posts on a web forum intended for other purposes.

-dale

Aha!

A Daniel come to Judgement!

Waht happened to the Russians who were on the forum?

Vaporised into thin air?

Ray
10 May 06,, 20:47
[QUOTE=Ray]Moderators,

[SIZE=3][B]Now, what would be the action if ASim wrote that he would clap for Zarqawi if the killed the US Army soldiers?

If I celebrated the death of the US military in Iraq, that would mean I'm an enemy of the US. I AM against the war, but a safe and sound pullout of all the US soldiers would please me the most as a suitable end to the war; a massacre on any side won't. Thats my opinion on THAT.

Now for me clapping for Indian soldiers being killed (remember we're talking about Kashmir, I'd not want them killed while trying to maintain calm in Gujarat or any other such hot riot points in India, for e.g.) would definitely mean that I AM an enemy of the Indian soldiers stationed in Kashmir since I oppose their occupation. Thats my political inclination, was it really a secret ever?

I already pointed out that the use of "Pakistani Jihadi" made me think about Kashmir and I really had just skimmed through the article, aurangabad even sounds like some Muslim place (named after perhaps the Muslim ruler, Aurangzeb, just guessing), so really I wouldn't celebrate the death of Indian soldiers in that fight. But if it comes to choosing between soldiers and the oppressed Kashmiris, I will ALWAYS support them. I openly state that! I support Kashmiri separatists fighting Indian soldiers. SINCE THAT IS NOT INDIA! Kashmir according to the UN... IS a disputed territory. Pakistan, MY Country has a claim on it. Kashmiris, a nation that is very close to us also have a FREEDOM claim on it.

I thought this post was necessary since I felt my absence is really twisted my words and placed them out of context.

What can you do if I cheer for a killed Indian soldier by a Kashmiri separatist? Well not that I do it a whole lot, but I'm left asking if you're going to advocate censorship of such high degree, as OOE mentioned shouldn't you not be allowed to not celebrate the death of Kashmiri separatists?

Also note I categorically separated Indian soldiers as the enemy and in that post I was outraged for the death of civillians (who were Hindus) which are all Kashmiri, Hindu and Muslim alike belong to Kashmiri nation according to me.

[FONT=Times New Roman]Hogwash.

Your sentence shows that you are a supporter of killing people.

You should be banned since you are a terrorist sympathiser.

As usual a weasel!

Asim Aquil
10 May 06,, 20:55
For one simple reason, we hate each other to the guts. I despise Pakistan. You will never understand it because you have not experience the pain and suffering that my family and family friends had to go through. I had a friend whose father lost 7 brothers and sisters during the Partition. I knew someone whose family was wiped out by the jihadi terrorists raid in Kashmir. Those are my brethren and countrymen and they bled.

Not all of us feel that way. My father's side of the family gave up A LOT! From being rich politicians in India, they moved to a poor district in Sindh. His own family doesn't hold the kind of grudge you're talking about!

It happened 60 years ago. And I (and probably any other Pakistani here) was not responsible for any killings that happened on either side. I know you can't forget the deaths of your ancestors, but can't you even forgive the new generation which had nothing to do with all that?

Gautam
10 May 06,, 20:56
I am confused by people who celebrate the misfortune or death of others. But again, I feel that if that is what they want to spend their time doing, I am not going to bash them for it. To me it seems a waste of time, but I am sure if they followed me around for a few days they would find many of my activities wasteful of time as well. :)

You say that the majority of Pakistani's accept and support violence and jihadis - that may or may not be true, I dont know. But is it not safe to assume that it is not ALL of them? It cannot possibly be. We have many a Pakistani here who cried with us in September.


Gautam, I appreciate your taking the time to explain some of these things to me as I have asked. Thank you. I dont think that you and I are going to agree on everything (my Liberal Left steps out from beind a tree :) ) but I think it is fantastic that you have been able to explain and answer to my ignorances calmly and with understanding. For this, you have gained my respect. :)

I have been brought up in a very liberal family.

My parents never enforced any kind of religious stuff off on me. I was never explained anything about Hindus or Muslims.

I was only told I was an Indian.

Still I despise Pakistani's for there very existance. Given the chance, I would display what India can do but that is a dream.

Having said that I have numerous Pakistani friends from university & a few @ work.

Doesn't mean I am prejudiced against them but then why is it that every Pakistani here and on this planet seems to advocate Kashmir's cause.

How many people here actually know about Kashmir.

People talk about Kashmir as its a lollipop.
I have been to Kashmir, I have been to Dras, Kargil, Giligit & Siachen.

The head of Western Air Command of India just happens to be my dad's best friend. He organised this trip for us while I was in India.

I have spoken to people there who are sick & fed up of Pakistan's interference

People understand India will not let go of Kashmir & they realise that Pakistan too is playing them for personal politics and not for their gain.

They want the violence to end but thanks to Pakistan it will never end, not till Pakistan exists.

Some misc information for you:

My Dad was born in Lahore, now in Pakistan. My dad lost 4 paternal, 3 maternal aunts. He also lost many cousins who were all butchered on their way to India.

My mom's dad's cousin shot dead 3 of his sisters. you know why, because he could only find one berth on a train. He knew if left behind or sent alone his sisters would be raped & humiliated.

160+million muslims still live in India. Testament to the fact we did not persecute muslims.

Pakistan on the other hand tried its best.

In Pakistan you will find Mohd Sharma, Mohd Malik, Mohd Gupta.

Sharma & gupta happen to be hindu surnames. All forcibily converted.

I don't see no Rehmat Sharma in India.

Gautam
10 May 06,, 20:56
Not all of us feel that way. My father's side of the family gave up A LOT! From being rich politicians in India, they moved to a poor district in Sindh. His own family doesn't hold the kind of grudge you're talking about!

It happened 60 years ago. And I (and probably any other Pakistani here) was not responsible for any killings that happened on either side. I know you can't forget the deaths of your ancestors, but can't you even forgive the new generation which had nothing to do with all that?

Typical, this guy is still moaning about wealth.

My family lost a lot too, did u see me mention wealth???


You are just sick in ur mind.

Gautam
10 May 06,, 20:59
Kill the message. Not the messenger.


Why do u allow such troll behaviour in the first place.


Very famous saying in India

They say if someone causes trouble dig it from the roots "NA RAHEGA BAANS NA BAJEGI BANSURI"

If one tackles problem at its roots, u won;t have this mess.

Officer of Engineers
10 May 06,, 21:04
Why do u allow such troll behaviour in the first place.

Because we're not versed enough in the details to determine who's right and who's wrong. This is an American forum with American centric knowledge base. I can debate passionately about the Quebec seperation issue but bringing it here would confuse the poor Americans to no end.

Should we allow it? No. How does it sneak in? Because we're damned ignorant of the whole issue.


Very famous saying in India

They say if someone causes trouble dig it from the roots "NA RAHEGA BAANS NA BAJEGI BANSURI"

If one tackles problem at its roots, u won;t have this mess.

"The dead don't argue." - Colonel Jim Calvin, Canadian Forces

Asim Aquil
10 May 06,, 21:05
You're just appearing as ill-mannered by saying things like that.


Kill the message. Not the messenger.

Officer of Engineers
10 May 06,, 21:07
Asim, just so you know. I share M21Sniper's view. You're an ass clown.

Gautam
10 May 06,, 21:08
You're just appearing as ill-mannered by saying things like that.

Your god didn't bless with you any brains. You ain't gonna get them here either.

Asim Aquil
10 May 06,, 21:09
Asim, just so you know. I share M21Sniper's view. You're an ass clown.
:rolleyes:

alright, man. I don't think anything bad about you... Just so that you know.

TopHatter
10 May 06,, 21:10
Aha!

A Daniel come to Judgement!

Waht happened to the Russians who were on the forum?

Vaporised into thin air?




The Russians who were on the forum came to the WAB with the expressed intent of trolling.

Ray
10 May 06,, 21:14
Not all of us feel that way. My father's side of the family gave up A LOT! From being rich politicians in India, they moved to a poor district in Sindh. His own family doesn't hold the kind of grudge you're talking about!

It happened 60 years ago. And I (and probably any other Pakistani here) was not responsible for any killings that happened on either side. I know you can't forget the deaths of your ancestors, but can't you even forgive the new generation which had nothing to do with all that?



I thought they were the Rajahs of Jhansi as you claimed.

Your word cannot be taken as the truth since you are a liar.

Jhansi is a city and was a part of the Hindu Maharaja of Gwalior's Kingdom.

You told a lie thinking that the Americans are alone on this Board.

I asked you to prove it. You couldn't.

I quoted the Quaran to show that praying to the grave (Dargah) is not allowed in Islam but you conveniently sidestepped it!

Whatever is asked you sidestep.

You have a villa with 10 bathrooms!

When one asks about the requirement of 10 bathrooms, you turn it to be a personal affront. Obviously, if one has a villa with 10 bathroom, it does excite the curiosity.

I wonder how many members on the WAB have villas with 10 bathrooms!

You talk of your filthy Arab rich friends.

Your whole world lives in make belief!

Who can believe you?

You support killings!

I am a soldier and just see what is my reply to Lunatock about my knowing Hamid Gada ( a terrorist)!

You can be anything but you cannot forget being a human. A human cannot be an animal, not given a weasel!

You are the greatest slime bug I have ever seen!

Gautam
10 May 06,, 21:16
I thought they were the Rajahs of Jhansi as you claimed.

Your word cannot be taken as the truth since you are a liar.

Jhansi is a city and was a part of the Hindu Maharaja of Gwalior's Kingdom.

You told a lie thinking that the Americans are alone on this Board.

I asked you to prove it. You couldn't.

I quoted the Quaran to show that praying to the grave (Dargah) is not allowed in Islam but you conveniently sidestepped it!

Whatever is asked you sidestep.

You have a villa with 10 bathrooms!

When one asks about the requirement of 10 bathrooms, you turn it to be a personal affront. Obviously, if one has a villa with 10 bathroom, it does excite the curiosity.

I wonder how many members on the WAB have villas with 10 bathrooms!

You talk of your filthy Arab rich friends.

Your whole world lives in make belief!

Who can believe you?

You support killings!

I am a soldier and just see what is my reply to Lunatock about my knowing Hamid Gada ( a terrorist)!

You can be anything but you cannot forget being a human. A human cannot be an animal, not given a weasel!

You are the greatest slime bug I have ever seen!


Simply speechless.

Asim rise up to the occassion and battle like a bravehart. Oh, make sure your foundations are not hollow as usual or u could be in for a bigger surprise ;)

Blademaster
10 May 06,, 21:17
All I'm saying is leave Kashmir out of this.

That's recognised as a war of freedom worldwide, thus attacks thier are part of a rebelion not a terrorist agenda.



Only according to a deluded person such as a brainwashed Pakistani.

Samudra
10 May 06,, 21:17
Asim,

You dont know how much I admire a few Pakistani posters here.I've been over-awed by the knowledge and depth of understanding shown by one specific Pakistani here on this very forum.I have made friends amongst Pakistanis I've met on WAB.

But you Asim, shall never earn my respect.

Ray
10 May 06,, 21:18
Because we're not versed enough in the details to determine who's right and who's wrong. This is an American forum with American centric knowledge base. I can debate passionately about the Quebec seperation issue but bringing it here would confuse the poor Americans to no end.

Should we allow it? No. How does it sneak in? Because we're damned ignorant of the whole issue.



"The dead don't argue." - Colonel Jim Calvin, Canadian Forces


I sure want to know about the Quebec separatism.

My cousin's husband is a Quebec Jew and he was here for a short visit. I thought of asking him, but owing to various reasons failed to get it out of him.

I believe they are serious about it.

Gautam
10 May 06,, 21:18
Only according to a deluded person such as a brainwashed Pakistani.

Lol, finally things are getting a bit humerous/

Gautam
10 May 06,, 21:19
I sure want to know about the Quebec separatism.

My cousin's husband is a Quebec Jew and he was here for a short visit. I thought of asking him, but owing to various reasons failed to get it out of him.

I believe they are serious about it.


I think they had a referednum which they lost by a very narrow margin.

Correct me if I am wrong Office.

Ray
10 May 06,, 21:21
:rolleyes:

alright, man. I don't think anything bad about you... Just so that you know.

Jesus has arrived! :eek:

Actually, you little tick, if you said anything to the contrary, you knew you would be hammered out of shape by the Colonel!

Sneaky, slimy weasel and that too a weasel with no spine!

To save your skin you would bend greater than a willow in a cylone!

And your friends are Arabs! :eek:

Ray
10 May 06,, 21:23
The Russians who were on the forum came to the WAB with the expressed intent of trolling.

And the others have come here to do .....?

Smoking the Peace pipe! :tongue:

The argument does not hold.

I have observed their posts.

Asim Aquil
10 May 06,, 21:27
I thought they were the Rajahs of Jhansi as you claimed.

Nope I didn't. I said Mayor/Ruler since I'm not certain of his title. They controlled the city's municipal work, city planning, etc. Duties were defined like a modern day Mayor.

His name's Chowdhary Ghulam Hussain. There I gave you a name, which is more than you deserve.


I asked you to prove it. You couldn't.

Prove you my ancestory? You deserve that? The kind of language you've used about me and my relatives, my own mother and father!? You didn't deserve it. I gave you a name now.


I quoted the Quaran to show that praying to the grave (Dargah) is not allowed in Islam but you conveniently sidestepped it!

A detailed reply is sidestepping? I agreed with you, that some of what you said I agree with. But I'll fight for everyone else's right to practice religion with freedom!


You have a villa with 10 bathrooms!

You aint getting to pee in one of them. :P


When one asks about the requirement of 10 bathrooms, you turn it to be a personal affront. Obviously, if one has a villa with 10 bathroom, it does excite the curiosity.

It's a villa with 6 Bedrooms each with its own bathroom. A bathroom in the corridor on each floor. One for the security gaurds outside, one in the servant's quarters. There you want a 3D Model too?


I wonder how many members on the WAB have villas with 10 bathrooms!

None if I'm the only one you're counting. The villa is owned by Mr. Aquil not Mr. Asim Aquil.


I am a soldier

You WERE a soldier. You just never stopped fighting.

THL
10 May 06,, 21:29
Smoking the Peace pipe! :tongue:

THERES A PEACE PIPE?! :eek: Now you're talking.

Who's got it?

When's my turn?

Where'd it go?

:confused:








;)

Ray
10 May 06,, 21:31
I said Mayor/Ruler since I'm not certain of his title.

You clot, since when have Mayor become Rulers?

Just shows your mentality to pretend what you are not and to fool the people who do not know!

What a deceitful man, if indeed you are a man!

By your logic, George Bush is the Emperor of the World! :eek:

I am sure you willagree to that also!

Asim Aquil
10 May 06,, 21:31
I really thought hard if I was going to allow you to get away with that.

But then you don't deserve it.

Asim Aquil
10 May 06,, 21:32
You clot, since when have Mayor become Rulers?

Just shows your mentality to pretend what you are not and to fool the people who do not know!

What a deceitful man, if indeed you are a man!

By your logic, George Bush is the Emperor of the World! :eek:

I am sure you willagree to that also!


Go back and see if wrote "MAYOR" or not in that post.

Gautam
10 May 06,, 21:32
Nope I didn't. I said Mayor/Ruler since I'm not certain of his title. They controlled the city's municipal work, city planning, etc. Duties were defined like a modern day Mayor.

Mayor & Ruler are two diff things. They both didn't exist in undivided India


His name's Chowdhary Ghulam Hussain. There I gave you a name, which is more than you deserve.

What next??? Abdul Kalam Azad is your uncle lost in a Kumbh Mela??




Prove you my ancestory? You deserve that? The kind of language you've used about me and my relatives, my own mother and father!? You didn't deserve it. I gave you a name now.

lol, converted at the edge of a sword & talk about ancestory




A detailed reply is sidestepping? I agreed with you, that some of what you said I agree with. But I'll fight for everyone else's right to practice religion with freedom!

Oh, so u r going to declare Jihad in Gujarat now as well. Liberation of Gujarati Muslims.

Wasn't it you, who just said to me in a post, your people do what you like.

First make up your mind.



You WERE a soldier. You just never stopped fighting.

Once a soldier, soldier for life.

By the way once a weasel, weaser for life ;)

Ray
10 May 06,, 21:32
THERES A PEACE PIPE?! :eek: Now you're talking.;)

Who's got it?

When's my turn?

Where'd it go?

:confused:

It is with TH right now,the Cheeto and Kurkure man!
:biggrin:

Ray
10 May 06,, 21:35
Go back and see if wrote "MAYOR" or not in that post.

Again you go lying, lyou ittle liar and an obfuscator.

You wrote "Mayor/ Ruler" in the original post.

And now you are pretending innocence?

slime-bag!

Gautam
10 May 06,, 21:37
I have always faced the dilemna whether to hold British responsible for dividing India or to thank them.

Today, I would say British did us a huge favour.

Asim Aquil
10 May 06,, 21:37
what does a SLASH mean? He was either. Much ado about nothing! What was the main point? That my father's family were involved in the local politics.

What influence my great grandfather veiled? Look him up, I gave you the name.

Ray
10 May 06,, 21:55
what does a SLASH mean? He was either. Much ado about nothing! What was the main point? That my father's family were involved in the local politics.

What influence my great grandfather veiled? Look him up, I gave you the name.

A slash means a lot.

Mayor/Ruler.

Again weaseling like a slime bug?

A sweeper can also be a politician.

A thief can also be a politician.

Anyone can be a politician.

And whats so great about your Uncle the politician?

He bent low to the pig eating alcohol drinking Jinnah - the greatest Moslem and Paksitani on Earth!

Godse is also famous.

He killed Mahatma Gandhi.

Judas is also famous.

He betrayed Christ.

Aurangzeb is also famous. He assassinated his elder brother for the throne and imprisoned his own father for the same!

You think politicians are great?

Again shows your mentality of acquiring "greatness"!

Ray
10 May 06,, 22:08
I really thought hard if I was going to allow you to get away with that.

But then you don't deserve it.


Talking to yourself?

True. you don't deserve the attention.

But then you would die if you did not organise a controversy and be the centre of attraction!

How so?

These lies or make belief bear witness for your craving for grandeur. Actually, beggars crave for recognition.

If one is great by his own virtue, he will not crave for recognition. it come to him/ her automatically.

Jesus is an example!

Now lets see how you crave for attention.

1. Filthy Arab rich friends. So>>>?

2. 10 bathroom villa! :eek: Wouldn't 7 do? One for each day or 365 i.e. one for each day of the year? Or is it that you live in one room and it is a multipurpose room where you eat, sleep, live and **** and 10 families share that hovel!

3. Mayor/Ruler of Jhansi! :eek: A city in the Hindu Kingdom of Gwalior. What ruler is this Uncle of yours? Holder of his house key?

4. A great journalist and turns out to be a music man!


The only think great about you is that you are day dreamer, love others riches and sponge on them, a weasel, a slime bag, a liar, an obfuscator, a person capable of hijacking threads (I don't know about aircraft though!), a terrorist lover and, to some, the greatest ass clown

Ah well.......

Ray
10 May 06,, 22:23
Go back and see if wrote "MAYOR" or not in that post.

I went back to the thread and and it proves what a liar and a obfuscator you are!

Note the stuff in bold.



http://www.worldaffairsboard.com/showthread.php?t=11872&page=4&pp=20&highlight=Mayor%2FRuler
Thread: Go to Pakistan for police protection
Post #62

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gautam
Haha Mohajirs, does that remind of u something ASIM.

Isn't this what u call all those muslims who migrated from India??


Yes, like my father.

Why should I look at those examples when I've got so many in my own family who did!

My uncles and grandfather, were Mayor/ruler of Jhansi, UP. They left that and came to Pakistan.
__________________

So they left their Kingdom?

I don't blame you at all. This is just the type of fibs that have been told to you guys to show how great the families were and how much of sacrifices has been one!

and they knew you could never check it back!

And what is more the thread on Pak education indicates how Pakistan changed history to suit its psyche and that report was produced by Pakistani academicians who were fed up of the lies that they were told to purvey to show Pakistan in good light!

aol
10 May 06,, 22:23
what does a SLASH mean? He was either. Much ado about nothing! What was the main point? That my father's family were involved in the local politics.

What influence my great grandfather veiled? Look him up, I gave you the name.

Off topic but..

Love love looove the song that you've got as your sig

Asim Aquil
10 May 06,, 22:25
Talking to yourself?

True. you don't deserve the attention.

But then you would die if you did not organise a controversy and be the centre of attraction!

How so?

These lies or make belief bear witness for your craving for grandeur. Actually, beggars crave for recognition.

If one is great by his own virtue, he will not crave for recognition. it come to him/ her automatically.

Jesus is an example!

Now lets see how you crave for attention.

1. Filthy Arab rich friends. So>>>?

2. 10 bathroom villa! :eek: Wouldn't 7 do? One for each day or 365 i.e. one for each day of the year? Or is it that you live in one room and it is a multipurpose room where you eat, sleep, live and **** and 10 families share that hovel!

3. Mayor/Ruler of Jhansi! :eek: A city in the Hindu Kingdom of Gwalior. What ruler is this Uncle of yours? Holder of his house key?

4. A great journalist and turns out to be a music man!


The only think great about you is that you are day dreamer, love others riches and sponge on them, a weasel, a slime bag, a liar, an obfuscator, a person capable of hijacking threads (I don't know about aircraft though!), a terrorist lover and, to some, the greatest ass clown

Ah well.......
Since I see there's nothing that I'd gain from continuing in a tit-for-tat way with you,

May I dare to entertain you to some lyrics. At the risk of being called a weasel, here goes:


And it's whispered that soon, if we all call the tune
Then the piper will lead us to reason
And a new day will dawn for those who stand long
And the forest will echo with laughter

And it makes me wonder

If there's a bustle in your hedgerow
Don't be alarmed now
It's just a spring clean for the May Queen

Yes there are two paths you can go by
but in the long run
There's still time to change the road you're on

Your head is humming and it won't go because you don't know
The piper's calling you to join him
Dear lady can't you hear the wind blow and did you know
Your stairway lies on the whispering wind

Asim Aquil
10 May 06,, 22:29
I went back to the thread and and it proves what a liar and a obfuscator you are!

Note the stuff in bold.




So they left their Kingdom?

I don't blame you at all. This is just the type of fibs that have been told to you guys to show how great the families were and how much of sacrifices has been one!

and they knew you could never check it back!

And what is more the thread on Pak education indicates how Pakistan changed history to suit its psyche and that report was produced by Pakistani academicians who were fed up of the lies that they were told to purvey to show Pakistan in good light!
And if you listen very hard
The tune will come to you at last
When all are one and one is all
To be a rock and not to roll

Asim Aquil
10 May 06,, 22:30
Off topic but..

Love love looove the song that you've got as your sig
I just changed it.

Godsmack or Zeppelin?

Ray
10 May 06,, 22:31
Since I see there's nothing that I'd gain from continuing in a tit-for-tat way with you,

May I dare to entertain you to some lyrics. At the risk of being called a weasel, here goes:


There is no tit for tat here.

It is a tat from me and your are just being not a tit but a twit!

An English cliche comes to mind:

"I haven't laughed (at your stupidity and day dreams) so hard since Auntie Mabel got her tit caught in the mangler"

aol
10 May 06,, 22:40
I just changed it.

Godsmack or Zeppelin?

Zeplin

Asim Aquil
10 May 06,, 22:43
It's too bad that stupidity isn't painful
--Anton Szandor LaVey

Blademaster
10 May 06,, 22:46
Nope

You WERE a soldier. You just never stopped fighting.

This shows what a complete bonehead you are. No explanatory needed. This comment above by Asim is very self explanatory.

Asim Aquil
10 May 06,, 22:48
This shows what a complete bonehead you are. No explanatory needed. This comment above by Asim is very self explanatory.
A rock, that rolled.

Ray
10 May 06,, 22:51
Asim,

The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits.

You display stupidity because you are limitless!

Mentally challenged would display genius compared to you!

Added Later:

I don't know what it means in Urdu, but in Bengali "Asim" means Endless!

A very apt name for the above quote, where it mentions, stupidity is endless! :tongue: :eek:

Jay
10 May 06,, 23:17
Not all of us feel that way. My father's side of the family gave up A LOT! From being rich politicians in India, they moved to a poor district in Sindh. His own family doesn't hold the kind of grudge you're talking about!

They wilfully went to Pakistan, so cant whine much about it.


It happened 60 years ago. And I (and probably any other Pakistani here) was not responsible for any killings that happened on either side.
Fair point.


I know you can't forget the deaths of your ancestors, but can't you even forgive the new generation which had nothing to do with all that?
But the new generation of Pakistan still supports killing Indians in Kashmir and elsewhere.YOU provide arms and ammunitions and support to the jehadi scum. YOU support the Pakistani General who invaded Kargil. There are numerous instances where YOU have supported killing of Indian soldiers, their families and innocent civilians by jehadi terrorists. Now tell me, why should we ever forgive YOU?

Blademaster
10 May 06,, 23:38
A rock, that rolled.

Another dumbass statement for the ages, courtesy of Asim the Ass.

TopHatter
10 May 06,, 23:43
And guess what time it is people?

If another moderator wishes to reopen this for discussion, feel free.

Until then....