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platinum786
06 May 06,, 17:40
Vadodara, New Delhi, May 4: The city is still tense, the flashpoints still simmer, the images of the stone-pelting mobs and the charred car disturbingly familiar. And yet there was no missing one fact on Wednesday - Gujarat 2006 was different from Gujarat 2002.

The reason: A more responsive Chief Minister Narendra Modi quick on his feet and an "Opposition" Centre putting its foot down.

Consider the differences:

• Modi made an uncharacteristic visit to a riot-affected area. Barring his visit to Godhra, post the Sabarmati Express carnage and one to Ahmedabad’s Shah Alam relief camp with the then Prime Minister A B Vajpayee in 2002, Modi has not been to any riot-prone area, nor has he personally met those injured in the violence. Which he did today.

• In 2002, Modi had quoted "action reaction", thesis, this time he appealed for peace and said no one would be allowed to subvert the law.

• Post-Godhra, most BJP leaders made provocative statements, were seen in police control rooms and at the violence sites. This time, restraint was the refrain. Both RSS and the VHP said it was a matter between the judiciary and the Muslims (over the demolition), not a "communal" one.

• In 2002, there was no response from the BJP-led NDA Centre for hours after violence broke out. This time, the UPA sent Minister of State Sri Prakash Jaiswal the same evening as violence broke out on May 1.

• After Modi’s request at 4 pm on Wednesday, 13 paramilitary troop companies—nine deployed in Vadodara and four in Ahmedabad—have been drawn from the Rapid Action Force (RAF), CRPF and BSF. In 2002, the Army was not deployed until the worst massacres had already happened in Ahmedabad and across the state.

• On Wednesday, the Army put three columns from its Vadodara-based air defence brigade and another from Gandhinagar on flag march duty. Four columns, consisting of about 250 troops, are to make a peaceful flag march through the sensitive parts of Vadodara today in a 10-vehicle convoy of jeeps.

• Two more columns of the Army have been pressed in to assist the civil administration and Gujarat police.

• On Tuesday night, Home Minister Shivraj Patil told Modi in no uncertain terms that it was the Gujarat government’s responsibility to ensure that the situation did not spiral out of control.

• The Home Ministry also asked Gujarat Chief Secretary Sudhir Mankad to provide a detailed report on the violence.

• Cabinet Secretary B K Chaturvedi also spoke to Mankad and indicated to him that with the assistance of additional central forces, it was imperative that the situation was defused immediately.

One key reason behind the UPA response is political. Congress strategists consider the 2002 riots a factor behind the party’s electoral success in 2004 and realise any "slow approach" will cost it dearly.

At the Cabinet meeting on Wednesday, though Gujarat was not on the agenda, but the issue was raised. A R Antulay, followed by Arjun Singh and Laloo Prasad Yadav, said the Centre must intervene and "be seen as doing so". Later in the evening, the PM told CPI leader A B Bardhan that the Centre was closely monitoring the developments in Gujarat. Sonia Gandhi, campaigning in Rae Bareli, was also briefed on the Gujarat developments and an advisor said she was "very concerned". Sonia will return to Delhi by Thursday evening.

http://story.indiagazette.com/p.x/ct/9/id/87d6cee5d3f2ea69/cid/701ee96610c884a6/

It's good to see that at elast this time the government has deployed in massive numbers to control any potential trouble,

Asim Aquil
06 May 06,, 17:51
Modi is the source of all trouble in Gujarat. He keeps getting hindu popularity vote based on his tough stance against Muslims.

Last time Muslims were getting killed he actually justified it that the Hindus are just reacting to what happened to some 50 odd worshippers.

2500 Muslim civillians dead and the bastard was justifying it.

Some Indians really ought to start considering Indian Muslims as Indian citizens, they're keeping the woes of the 1947 partition alive even today.

Akshay
06 May 06,, 18:03
Asim,

Voilence of any sort is unjustified. So whether it happens in Gujrat or in Wajiristan, Baluchistan or the matter of fact in East Pakistan during 71, doesn't make a difference. Eventually, it is the loss of human blood.

What happens in Gujrat is not reflective of India's picture. What is important is that GOI doesn't allows the beans to spill out of Gujrat. Gujrat has certainly lost its secular values. Its social infrastructure would probably take atleast 20 yrs to improve.

As for muslims being considered people of India.. you need to look at the President. Nobody stops Muslims in India from performing their regular pryers, earning their bread & butter. They have their rights just as much as any other Indian has. This makes them a part of India. Gujrat is not complete India.

ZD12
06 May 06,, 18:06
Modi is the source of all trouble in Gujarat. He keeps getting hindu popularity vote based on his tough stance against Muslims.

Last time Muslims were getting killed he actually justified it that the Hindus are just reacting to what happened to some 50 odd worshippers.

2500 Muslim civillians dead and the bastard was justifying it.

Some Indians really ought to start considering Indian Muslims as Indian citizens, they're keeping the woes of the 1947 partition alive even today.


modi is a problem because he favors hindus?? hmm..not sure if I agree with you there..I dont know the guy or his good/bad deeds all that well, but being a hindu, if he favors/supports hinduism/hindu ppl, I dont see a problem in that...if anyone - muslim ppl should understand that - because most are willing to do absoulutely anything in the name of islam, their religion and allah

Asim Aquil
06 May 06,, 18:14
ZD12 I said


He keeps getting hindu popularity vote based on his tough stance against Muslims.

There's nothing wrong in being Pro-Hindu as long as you being anti-Muslim is not a requirement of that.


What happens in Gujrat is not reflective of India's picture. What is important is that GOI doesn't allows the beans to spill out of Gujrat. Gujrat has certainly lost its secular values. Its social infrastructure would probably take atleast 20 yrs to improve.

That's quite great that the violence has been contained inside Gujarat and not spread to the rest of India. That would place 200Mn people under threat. Gujarat is a concern since I've read in many places that its India's fastest developing state.

And India as a whole is a fast developing Nation. Development usually weeds out these problems, so there's obviously something wrong with the leadership or in their mindsets that this is happening.

The fact that Modi belongs to the BJP, a faction that has close ties with the Hindu organization, RSS, sheds more light on why there's a problem in Gujarat.

Gautam
06 May 06,, 18:20
US panel recommends Pak be designated as CPC
PTI
Washington, May 4: Holding that sectarian and religiously-motivated violence persists in Pakistan, a US Congress-mandated commission has recommended that it be designated a “country of particular concern” (CPC).

The US Commission on International Religious Freedom in its annual report also said Pakistan has “done little” to address the “wider problem of lack of democracy” in that country.

“The absence of any meaningful democratic reform has been exacerbated by the current government’s political alliance with militant religious parties, which has served to strengthen these groups and give them influence in the country’s affairs disproportionate to their support among the Pakistani people,” the report said.

It noted that government officials did not provide adequate protection from societal violence to members of the religious minority communities, including Shias, Ahmadis, Hindus and Christians.

“With some exceptions, the perpetrators of attacks on minorities are seldom brought to justice,” the report said contending that in other instances, the Pakistan government directly “encourages religious intolerance”.

The report said that successive governments in Pakistan have severely violated religious freedom. Discriminatory legislation, promulgated in previous decades and persistently enforced, has fostered an atmosphere of religious intolerance and eroded the social and legal status of members of religious minorities.

It noted that in March this year, in an attempt to persuade people in the regions bordering Afghanistan not to support Islamist militants, the Pakistani military had dropped leaflets claiming that these militants were fighting against Pakistan “in connivance with Jews and Hindus”.

Many madrassas in Pakistan provided ideological training and motivation to those who take part in violence targeting religious minorities in Pakistan and abroad, it said.

In the past year, the minority Christian community also continued to be subject to extremist and mob violence.

The commission has asked Pakistan to decriminalise blasphemy and rescind laws targeting Ahmadis.

The Sangh Parivar and BJP-led governments have come under severe attack from the commission which said the Indian government should hold to account the perpetrators of the 2002 Gujarat riots to display the country’s return to its tradition of religious tolerance.

Although positive developments affecting freedom of religion and belief have been witnessed in the country since the UPA government came to power, the commission said: “Concerns about religious freedom in India remain” despite the “improved situation”.

Very interesting

http://www.navhindtimes.com/stories.php?part=news&Story_ID=050556

Asim Aquil
06 May 06,, 18:22
http://www.ndtv.com/topstories/showtopstory.asp?slug=Curfew+relaxed+in+Vadodara&id=19326&category=National


http://www.ndtv.com/images/topstories/Vadodarafire3.jpg http://www.ndtv.com/images/topstories/vadodarafire2.jpg

Doubts grow over dargah removal

Doubts are growing on the motive behind the demolition of a dargah in Vadadora on Monday as NDTV finds new details in the issue.

hairman of the National Commission for Minorities Mohammed Ansari says he has asked the Gujarat government for a report.
According to findings a committee of the Central government received complaints two months ago of Muslim sites being illegally taken over and demolished across Gujarat.

Authorities removed the 200-year-old dargah, saying it disrupted traffic sparking days of religious tension and clashes.

Bazmee Azeez Charitable Trust, an NGO in Gujarat says the demolition of the religious site was deliberate.

On April 28 it appealed to the Governor of Gujarat and the President of India to intervene.

"We seek your immediate intervention before the law and order situation is disturbed and communal violence is thrust upon the peace loving citizens of Vadodara".

Excessive force

The Chairman of the National Commission for Minorities Mohammed Ansari says he has asked the Gujarat government for a report.

"This is an instance of excessive use of force in a situation that could have been handled with tact," Ansari said.

NDTV has found that observations in the Committee's report to Prime Minister Manmohan Singh say - eleven Muslim graveyards have been illegally taken over and Peerana Imamudin Dargah in Ahmedabad has also been taken.

Sources in the Committee, with a mandate to examine the socio-economic status of Muslims told NDTV that Muslims in Gujarat are facing social and economic boycott and were selling land at throw away prices.

We had WABians arguing encroachment stating that it was built over a road!

The thing was 200 years old! Should've been kept there as part of heritage at least! It was place in use, not abandoned. It's a good thing that the BJP is not at the center or else the Muslim strife would've been ignored.

indianguy4u
06 May 06,, 18:26
http://www.ndtv.com/topstories/showtopstory.asp?slug=Curfew+relaxed+in+Vadodara&id=19326&category=National



We had WABians arguing encroachment stating that it was built over a road!

The thing was 200 years old! Should've been kept there as part of heritage at least! It was place in use, not abandoned. It's a good thing that the BJP is not at the center or else the Muslim strife would've been ignored.
Ilegal structures arent given such status. 20 temples were razed, so why should a dargha be given a special treatment? Any logic?

Gautam
06 May 06,, 18:30
Ilegal structures arent given such status. 20 temples were razed, so why should a dargha be given a special treatment? Any logic?


Logic is because its a Dargah.

Asim Aquil
06 May 06,, 18:34
http://today.reuters.com/News/newsArticle.aspx?type=worldNews&storyID=2006-05-03T041336Z_01_B417314_RTRUKOC_0_US-INDIA-RIOT.xml


Muslim man burned to death in new rioting in India

http://i.today.reuters.com/misc/genImage.aspx?uri=2006-05-03T041330Z_01_B417314_RTRUKOP_2_PICTURE0.jpg&resize=full
click for image.

Scooters are set ablaze by the mob in Baroda, about 75 miles south of the western Indian city of Ahmedabad, May 1, 2006. Police said May 3 that a Hindu mob burned to death a Muslim man in his car in new violence in a western Indian city early on Wednesday, raising the toll in clashes sparked by demolition of a Sufi shrine to six. REUTERS/Stringer

AHMEDABAD, India (Reuters) - A Hindu mob burned to death a Muslim man in his car in new violence in a western Indian city early on Wednesday, raising the toll in clashes sparked by demolition of a Sufi shrine to six, police said.

More than 70 people, including 10 policemen, have been injured in clashes since Monday when the two-centuries-old Muslim shrine was demolished by civic authorities in Baroda, 75 miles south of Ahmedabad, the main city of Gujarat state.

"A young man has been burned to death. The situation is tense and curfew has been imposed," city police chief Deepak Swaroop told Reuters.

The 30-year-old victim, who worked in an oil refinery, was returning from a late shift when he was surrounded by a mob of hundreds, including activists of hardline Hindu groups linked to the nationalist Bharatiya Janata Party, which rules Gujarat.

Minority Muslim residents said they did not trust the state government.

"Our lives are in danger as Hindu extremists armed with swords and knives surrounded our residences. We called the police but no one responded," said Moyin Khan.

State home minister Amit Shah said the government was keen to control the violence and was doing all it could.

Civic authorities said they had to demolish the Muslim shrine because it was illegal and blocking a road-widening project.

Gujarat is one of India's most communally sensitive states. The highly industrialized state was rocked by Hindu-Muslim riots in 2002 when 59 Hindus were burned to death in a train compartment, which the state government blamed on a Muslim mob.

Human rights groups say about 2,500 people -- mostly Muslims -- were hacked, beaten or burned to death in retaliatory attacks. Officials put the toll at over 1,000 people.

Akshay
06 May 06,, 18:38
That's quite great that the violence has been contained inside Gujarat and not spread to the rest of India. That would place 200Mn people under threat. Gujarat is a concern since I've read in many places that its India's fastest developing state.

And India as a whole is a fast developing Nation. Development usually weeds out these problems, so there's obviously something wrong with the leadership or in their mindsets that this is happening.

The fact that Modi belongs to the BJP, a faction that has close ties with the Hindu organization, RSS, sheds more light on why there's a problem in Gujarat.

Yeah, I hope that economic growth stems out this disturbed social fabric of Gujrat. But, I know more needs to be done apart from just economic growth. Both, the communities have to work for it. I wouldn't just say that all the hindus are devils and all the muslims have been angels. Fault exist in both the communities. What happened in 2002 was extremely sad but then it did teach Gujrat government to be agile during such situations. They learned from their mistakes and took care to limit the voilence within Vadodra. Hope in future, they can minimize the damage further. I am a very optimistic person and I believe that everything that happens.. teaches us some new things and allows us to correct our ways. I sincerely hope that this be the last lesson to learn.

Neo
06 May 06,, 18:38
Its starting all over again..

Asim Aquil
06 May 06,, 18:39
It's a 200 year old holy place.

C'mon, what real temple really got torned down? People put up an idol on a table and call it a mandir! If those things are being counted as removing temples then yeah I'd give yout that.

A 200 yr old holy place is being torned down without due process or getting it checked by the law of the land. Thats just stupid.

Asim Aquil
06 May 06,, 18:41
Even this time it wasn't Modi who deserves the pat on the back. He just went to Vadodora, made an appearance n thats that. Everything else has been prompted after him getting the stick from the central government.

The problem is political.

indianguy4u
06 May 06,, 18:44
It's a 200 year old holy place.

C'mon, what real temple really got torned down? People put up an idol on a table and call it a mandir! If those things are being counted as removing temples then yeah I'd give yout that.

A 200 yr old holy place is being torned down without due process or getting it checked by the law of the land. Thats just stupid.
How can a temple be of any imp for a moslem like u? Tell all the non moslems over here what gr8 shakes of that dargha? Whats so holy in it? Why cant u & ur brethren moslems understand that for developments, scarifices have to be given. This is one of those.

Akshay
06 May 06,, 18:45
Even this time it wasn't Modi who deserves the pat on the back. He just went to Vadodora, made an appearance n thats that. Everything else has been prompted after him getting the stick from the central government.

The problem is political.

You can't expect Modi to get down with latthis & tear gas in his hands and stop the rioters. Cut some slack!! he is the chief minister. You wouldn't expect Musharaff to pick up a gun and start shooting on terrorists in FATA, Waziristan. Heads of the state have some dignity and responsibility to be maintained. I wouldn't say Modi did a very commendable job but he did well to control the situation.

Asim Aquil
06 May 06,, 18:57
Note I said holy place. It'd be the same if it was a temple or a masjid.

It's like someone arguing Lahore tears down the Babri Masjid for a mall!

indianguy4u
06 May 06,, 19:03
Note I said holy place. It'd be the same if it was a temple or a masjid.

It's like someone arguing Lahore tears down the Babri Masjid for a mall!
20 Temple & a dargha along with scores of slums & houses were torn down for widening the road & not for shopping malls, where only well off sections of the society benefits. Understand the diff. Roads are for public good, not restricted to few sections of society.

Asim Aquil
06 May 06,, 19:11
Roads can also go around such objects.

indianguy4u
06 May 06,, 19:14
Roads can also go around such objects.
Thats what many call as illogical.

indianguy4u
06 May 06,, 19:15
I am done with this topic. (for the moment)

ZD12
06 May 06,, 19:17
Roads can also go around such objects.

no they can't..

being from baroda and knowing this area, I know that would not've been possible.

I think the LAST thing we need in India, espcially gujarat, is more temples/mosques/darghas. they've enough of those to go around..lol...tearing down 20 tmples and 1 dargah does not make a difference. We have ENOUGH religious fanatics, BOTH HINDU & MUSLIM in Gujarat who like to exaggerate every damn situation and make a mountain out of a mole…people are gonna do what do are good at..protest and oppose everything that’s good for the state/city..gov’t has to do what’s best for the state.

QUOTE=indianguy4u]20 Temple & a dargha along with scores of slums & houses were torn down for widening the road & not for shopping malls, where only well off sections of the society benefits. Understand the diff. Roads are for public good, not restricted to few sections of society.[/QUOTE]

Agreed

platinum786
06 May 06,, 19:21
surely if it was built 200 years ago it wasn't illeagal....i mean when was the boundary set??

ZD12
06 May 06,, 19:25
surely if it was built 200 years ago it wasn't illeagal....i mean when was the boundary set??


WHO THE HECK CARESSSSSSSSSS...I'd still have the same opinion if a freakin hindu temple that was 500 YEARS old was torn down...

the city needs good roads/improvements - everything else is secondary..

end of story!!

Asim Aquil
06 May 06,, 19:35
WHO THE HECK CARESSSSSSSSSS...I'd still have the same opinion if a freakin hindu temple that was 500 YEARS old was torn down...

the city needs good roads/improvements - everything else is secondary..

end of story!!
Obviously the Indian Muslims there care about it.

Gautam
06 May 06,, 19:39
Obviously the Indian Muslims there care about it.


In that case do hell with religion.

Country comes first i.e. India if somoene has a problem den poon-tang ur ass out of there.

ZD12
06 May 06,, 19:39
Obviously the Indian Muslims there care about it.

i'm sure all HINDUS care about all temples being torn down too, no matter how old they are but guess what...DEAL WITH IT!! there's always some price to pay when it comes to improving your surrounding..one of the most important thing for the state of gujarat, particularly baroda and ahemdabad is Infrastructure. if you can't deal with that, TOO BAD...

you win some, you lose some...i'll say it again - even if it was a hindu temple that was being torn down, i'd have had the same opinion and i'm sure hindus would've reacted the same way muslims are right now..but hey, they'd also have to deal with it..

platinum786
06 May 06,, 19:44
so basicly Indian muslims must constantly prove thier loyalty to the state by backing every Indian move that might affect muslims in a negative manner.

I thought they where equals thus didn't need to prove thier loyalty, i thought sikhs and hindu's and christians and jews and muslims, that didn't matter as you where Indian.

ZD12
06 May 06,, 19:46
so basicly Indian muslims must constantly prove thier loyalty to the state by backing every Indian move that might affect muslims in a negative manner.

I thought they where equals thus didn't need to prove thier loyalty, i thought sikhs and hindu's and christians and jews and muslims, that didn't matter as you where Indian.


huh?? who're you responding to and what the hell are you talking about???
have you not been paying attn at all?

Neo
06 May 06,, 19:47
This is the kind of mentality that led to the creation of Pakistan.
L'histore ce repete!

indianguy4u
06 May 06,, 19:47
huh?? who're you responding to and what the hell are you talking about???
have you not been paying attn at all?
Nah, he is trolling ;).

Gautam
06 May 06,, 19:48
so basicly Indian muslims must constantly prove thier loyalty to the state by backing every Indian move that might affect muslims in a negative manner.

I thought they where equals thus didn't need to prove thier loyalty, i thought sikhs and hindu's and christians and jews and muslims, that didn't matter as you where Indian.


R U just dumb or is it me.

Being Indian means being Indian & not Hindu, Muslim, Sikh, Christian Jew etc.

Country comes first & religion second.

Have a look around the arab world, u will get the message ;)

Some muslims always think about ISLAM first & not the country.

If they only care abt religion then they should go to some country where religion comes first, I couldn't care less be it a Muslim, Hindu, Sikh or anyone else

platinum786
06 May 06,, 19:50
huh?? who're you responding to and what the hell are you talking about???
have you not been paying attn at all?
I'm replying to Gautams post where he says do hell with religion.

Take a step back and look at all this.

Every time Indian muslims protest something about thier religion it's automatically assumed they are not indian enough. Earlier on indianguyforyou in another topic said the problem is that indian muslims consider tehmselves indian second and muslim first .A way to insult an indian muslim is to call him a Pakistani. why?

Because it's a question of thier loyalty even in 2006.

Gautam
06 May 06,, 19:52
I'm replying to Gautams post where he says do hell with religion.

Take a step back and look at all this.

Every time Indian muslims protest something about thier religion it's automatically assumed they are not indian enough. Earlier on indianguyforyou in another topic said the problem is that indian muslims consider tehmselves indian second and muslim first .A way to insult an indian muslim is to call him a Pakistani. why?

Because it's a question of thier loyalty even in 2006.

Well u r 2 immature to understand the feeling of being Indian.

I Sugges you read "BEING INDIAN" by Pavan K Varma

You will understand what exactly I am referring to ;)
Pavan K Varma was the previous High Commisoner of India to UK

indianguy4u
06 May 06,, 19:54
Every time Indian muslims protest something about thier religion it's automatically assumed they are not indian enough. Earlier on indianguyforyou in another topic said the problem is that indian muslims consider tehmselves indian second and muslim first .A way to insult an indian muslim is to call him a Pakistani. why?From when does a moslem automatically become a pakistani? If my understanding of political & religious maps of world is right, there are more than 50+ moslem country.

PLZ post the link u r quoting as mine.

ZD12
06 May 06,, 19:55
I'm replying to Gautams post where he says do hell with religion.

Take a step back and look at all this.

Every time Indian muslims protest something about thier religion it's automatically assumed they are not indian enough. Earlier on indianguyforyou in another topic said the problem is that indian muslims consider tehmselves indian second and muslim first .A way to insult an indian muslim is to call him a Pakistani. why?

Because it's a question of thier loyalty even in 2006.

religion does not automatically mean Islam...it means ALL RELIGIONS

yes - it is 2006..and i think its about time..everyone, all muslims and hindus and christians and whatever else, worry less about religion and more about WORLD...

ZD12
06 May 06,, 19:57
btw, i'm starting to feel like i'm talking to a couple of 10 year olds..where you have to tell them and exlain the same thing over and over and over...

is it really that hard to understand??

indianguy4u
06 May 06,, 20:01
btw, i'm starting to feel like i'm talking to a couple of 10 year olds..where you have to tell them and exlain the same thing over and over and over...

is it really that hard to understand??
:biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:

Welcome to world of internet warriors :).

ZD12
06 May 06,, 20:08
:biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:

Welcome to world of internet warriors :).


hahaha...thanks..I think :biggrin:

Asim Aquil
06 May 06,, 20:38
Being Muslim does not mean they'd commit treachery against India. Indian Hindus need to get that out of their minds for peace to prevail in their country and this unnecessary divide would end.

I've never supported Indian Muslims should enjoin themselves in spirit and in nationhood with Pakistan. This would lead to some much unnecessary bloodshed. I see it the same as people exploiting the Shia-Sunni divide which encourages some brutal murders in Pakistan.

Ray
07 May 06,, 01:18
The concept of ummah, though a dream, yet it is very powerful medicine.


Asked, then, why he chose to stay in Australia, he said: "I was born in this country. I don't choose where I was born … I consider myself as a Muslim first and foremost."
http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/muslim-first-australian-second-so-leave-us-alone/2005/07/24/1122143730108.html

http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/muslim-first-australian-second-so-leave-us-alone/2005/07/24/1122143730108.html


I believe Platinum wrote something close to this!

This is what he wrote:

You see that is what you cannot understand, being loyal to islam first and then the country...it's just the power of islam. Country, that'll last until we die, God, forever.
http://www.worldaffairsboard.com/showthread.php?t=11471&highlight=Islam

No matter how much PC is spread around when interacting with the non Moslem world, the burning flame of the Islam foremostness is always there within; as would a genie corked in a bottle!

Here is another link to this Islamic psyche of foremostness :

http://www.worldaffairsboard.com/showthread.php?t=11859

Asim Aquil
07 May 06,, 04:13
Even if there's an Khalifat formed, India doesn't have to be a part of it and probably will be opposed due its anti-Muslim stance.

platinum786
07 May 06,, 12:04
yeahthose 2nd lcass indian muslims can stay just that, indian.

Gautam
07 May 06,, 12:06
yeahthose 2nd lcass indian muslims can stay just that, indian.

Write properly

ZD12
07 May 06,, 15:22
yeahthose 2nd lcass indian muslims can stay just that, indian.

hahahahahahhahahha........this is just too funny

platinum786
07 May 06,, 17:20
he understood.

Gautam
07 May 06,, 19:05
he understood.


Nd as usual u did not

Gabru47
08 May 06,, 02:14
This is the kind of mentality that led to the creation of Pakistan.
L'histore ce repete!

Pakistan was created because of jinnah's belief in the two nation theory, not because muslims started to riot once a religous structure was destroyed with the purpose to widen a road. All you political hustlers can stop portraying this as an attack on islam.


India doesn't have to be a part of it and probably will be opposed due its anti-Muslim stance.

What is this anti-muslim stance?

Gabru47
08 May 06,, 02:44
It would be a pleasant change if muslims in general stopped scrambling for excuses to politicze conflicts between muslims and non-muslims and begin valuing human life. If muslims showed this zeal for justice impartially, even if its muslims oppressing non-muslims or muslims oppressing fellow muslims, not just in the case of muslims being or projected as oppressed, maybe the world wouldn't be such a horrible world after all.

Tronic
08 May 06,, 04:03
right on gabru...

Vaman
08 May 06,, 18:06
I like Modi!!

Long live Modi!

He has done a lot for Gujarat.