Reusable, non-PYRO Flashbang

[dorsai]

I've been working with some otyers for some time
now to come up with a reusable, as well as non-PYRO
flashbang training grenade and it's now about ready
to hit the streets.

Besidses avoiding use of PYRO, it's also far cheaper
per iteration than anything else out there. Cost per
use is expected to be under $5.00. The device will be
called the TG6 Thumper Grenade. If anyone wants
more details, feel free to drop me a line.

Sincerely,

Andrew Van Der Plaats
c/o [email protected]
Work 407/563-3884

[leib10]

Exactly how does it work?

[dorsai]

Mode of operation

Exactly how does it work?

First off. let me note that the device is cylinderical and
approximaely 2" in Diameter by 5" tall. In other words
it's similar in appearance to most other popular models.
The finish is your typical 'training blue.'

There's a replaceable 8 gram CO2 cartridge inside the
body, which provides the power. To activate, remove
the grenade pin, then release the spoon. Releasing
the spoon allows the gas to enter a plastic diapghragm.
It takes approx 1.5 seconds for this pressure to cause
that component to fail and as it does the grenade emits
a report.

To recharge, one simply installs a fresh gas cartridge
and replaces the diaphragm.

Almost forgot, the spoon doesn't leave the device, as
it typically does with other grenades. That and the fact
that there's no pyro involved makes this extremely safe
to use in any training environment. This is especially
important when you're training involves carpeted rooms,
or areas which contain potentially explosive vapors.

As with anything, there are pluses and minuses with this
model. Don't expect the same sort of chest thumping,
concusive report typically generated by the PYRO types of
training devices. On the other hand expect to be able to
put live personnel and not just paper targets in the entry
room. That may not mean much to some, but to others it
marks the difference between practice and 'reality.' Having
someone who may still be able to return fire, or who is still
in control of their hostage will allow for a wider range of
training scenarios.

Thanks again for the opportunity to explain how it works.
If anyone has any more questions, feel free to write or call
me directly.

Andy Van Der Plaats
407/563-3884

[leib10]

So does this flashbang generate similar sound levels as the "pyro" ones? Also, it doesn't appear that it has a blinding flash that other flashbangs do.

[dorsai]

So does this flashbang generate similar sound levels as the "pyro" ones? Also, it doesn't appear that it has a blinding flash that other flashbangs do.

No, that's the point, this isn't a true flashbang, just one
which gets used to properly train people how to move
once the grenade goes off. Currently departments are
paying anywhere between 14-20 per iteration, whereas
this one will run them just under 5 bucks per use. With
the PYRO versions, the flash isn't there either, as all that
you're using is the fuse assembly, minus the main charge.

[leib10]

I see.

[tankervet]

No, that's the point, this isn't a true flashbang, just one
which gets used to properly train people how to move
once the grenade goes off. Currently departments are
paying anywhere between 14-20 per iteration, whereas
this one will run them just under 5 bucks per use. With
the PYRO versions, the flash isn't there either, as all that
you're using is the fuse assembly, minus the main charge.

So what is the total cost of one of these? Not per shot but overall to get one and get everything needed?

[dorsai]

Unit Pricing

So what is the total cost of one of these? Not per shot but overall to get one and get everything needed?

The grenade, complete with three sets of cartridges and
replacement burst diaphragms will retail for 98.00.

Replenishment kits will come in convienient 6 packs as
well as in 24 packs.

The makers are also interested in lining up dealers and
distributors who specialize in sales to MIL/LE end users.
In fact, the product is already slated to be introduced at
a number of US as well as foreign MIL/LE Trade Shows.

If anyone would like more details, please feel free to let
me know and again, thanks for your interest.

Andrew van Der Plaats
407/563-3884
[email protected]

[canoe]

Well this all begs the question, how much is a standard flashbang running for right now?

These might be usable for training purposes or something but I think thunderflash grenade sims are pretty cheap.

[dorsai]

Re: Price comparison

Well this all begs the question, how much is a standard flashbang running for right now?

These might be usable for training purposes or something but I think thunderflash grenade sims are pretty cheap.

I take it you like somewhere in the UK? 'Thunderflash' grenades
are something you can pourchase over there, but not here in the
US and don't ask me about somewhere else, because I just don't
know.

Cost, over in UK, depending on source can range form 5-10 pounds,
per Thunderflash. These are one time units, which have a safe operating
disstance of 5 meters. The non-PYRO device, because it's non PYRO
could be held in your hand, although we don't reccommend that you
do so. In terms of US dollars, figure double the price for anything they
sell over there.

Funny, in England ayone 18+ can buy all msot any sort of PYRO, but
they can't own a gun and here in the US we can own guns, but not PYRO.
Tell me, what's wrong with this picture? It will also be interesting to see
what sort of impact it'll have in the UK if they pass that pending law which
will looks to make it illegal to buy toy guns or any sort, be they Airsoft,
Paintball, etc...

[canoe]

I take it you like somewhere in the UK? 'Thunderflash' grenades
are something you can pourchase over there, but not here in the
US and don't ask me about somewhere else, because I just don't
know.

Cost, over in UK, depending on source can range form 5-10 pounds,
per Thunderflash. These are one time units, which have a safe operating
disstance of 5 meters. The non-PYRO device, because it's non PYRO
could be held in your hand, although we don't reccommend that you
do so. In terms of US dollars, figure double the price for anything they
sell over there.

Funny, in England ayone 18+ can buy all msot any sort of PYRO, but
they can't own a gun and here in the US we can own guns, but not PYRO.
Tell me, what's wrong with this picture? It will also be interesting to see
what sort of impact it'll have in the UK if they pass that pending law which
will looks to make it illegal to buy toy guns or any sort, be they Airsoft,
Paintball, etc...

Canadian actually, the CF thunderflashes are pretty safe. I've had them go off less then a meter from me with no issues. There alot weaker then say the artillary sims which I wouldn't want to stand to close to when they go off.

And yes in Canada we have gun laws closer to the UK. Guns are very taboo here.

[Horrido]

Dorsai, you should be able to simulate a flash just by using a simple camera bulb or strobe device, essentially making a "flashbang-lite". That way, you still have some effects of destroying night-vision.

[dorsai]

Strobe Effect

Dorsai, you should be able to simulate a flash just by using a simple camera bulb or strobe device, essentially making a "flashbang-lite". That way, you still have some effects of destroying night-vision.

Really appreciate your suggestion. I'll share
it with some friends who are into the electronics
side of things to see what they can cook up.
Perhaps we'll find we can offer two models,
one just with a report and another with both
report and flash.