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    Who will be the big world powers twenty years from now? This is a difficult prediction to make, largely because in 20 years, many unexpected changes could take place. For example, two decades ago, the United States and Soviet Union were locked in a Cold War. Nobody expected that in five years from then, the Berlin Wall would fall and the Soviet Union would literally disintegrate. That said, there is an idea of who is emerging, and who is fading.

    10. Brazil – This country is emerging as the dominant military and economic force in Latin America. It operates the only aircraft carrier outside the US Navy in the Western Hemisphere. Currently, Brazil is trying to build up its forces still more, and is pursuing a program to build a nuclear-powered attack submarine and could be pursuing nuclear weapons development as well.

    9. South Korea – This country has an indigenous naval program that is quite solid, and one of the better armies in the world. The only thing holding it back is a reliance on foreign designs for aircraft, although it is manufacturing F-16s locally.

    8. Germany – Despite reductions in the German defense budget after the end of the Cold War, this military has several quality systems (like the Leopard 2 main battle tank and the Type 212 submarine). Germany also has had a tradition of effective military forces (just ask the Romans).

    7. Japan – This is a country which has, with one hand tied behind its back, developed the number two navy in the Pacific Rim, and arguably the second-best air force (tied with China). The only thing that holds Japan back is an apparent lack of desire. Things could rapidly change on that front, though.

    6. Russia – This country has a lot of nukes, and a lot of bombers. While naval designs (like the Kirov-class battlecruisers and Oscar-class submarines) are good on paper, they still have quality issues, and accidents are not unheard of. Still, this is a country that has some advantages, and is no pushover.

    5. France – Probably in better shape than what one would expect. This is largely because of the quality of the troops (due to career NCOs). Has remained self-sufficient in terms of producing major weapons systems (see the Rafale), and operates the only CVN outside the U.S. Navy (even though it has had problems).

    4. China – This is a force that has quantity on its side, and is rapidly trying to improve its quality. Their air force will probably have the largest force of Su-27 fighters in the world (at least 580, compared to the 550 in Russian service). The Chinese navy is rapidly introducing new classed of destroyers and frigates that are close to the quality of American and Japanese surface combatants. That said, it is still behind, and the Chinese financial situation could go downhill rapidly.

    3. UK – While small, this is a force that not only had a tradition of high quality, it has proven as recently as 1982 that it can operate half a world away and still accomplish a difficult mission. Sailor for sailor, there is no better navy than the Royal Navy.

    2. India – Probably the most dynamic country in terms of the leaps. India is rapidly becoming self-sufficient in a number of areas, and what it cannot produce, it is able to buy. It also has some of the best training in the world, and can give an unsuspecting opponent a surprise. Probably the next superpower due to a more firm economic footing, and the fact that its Navy is much more advanced than China’s.

    1. USA – Even while fighting a war on terrorism, the United States is pursuing new technology (such as UCAVs) to maintain an edge over any potential challenger. The forces are well-trained, and the United States Navy is still the most powerful in the world. The term superpower almost understates what the United States can do – it is arguably a hyperpower.

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  • #2
    Yo, good post. thanks.

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    • #3
      Imho, a little bit biased.

      Should be more like:
      1. USA
      2. China
      3. NATO
      4. India

      And so on.

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      • #4
        lol, even NATO's future is debatable.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by lurker
          Imho, a little bit biased.

          Should be more like:
          1. USA
          2. China
          3. NATO
          4. India

          And so on.
          NATO is not one country alone so it should be excluded. China may have the upper hand on India now but 20 years later, it could change. Especially it the U.S. plans to bloster the Indian military with power to counter weight China.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Grim Reaper
            NATO is not one country alone so it should be excluded. China may have the upper hand on India now but 20 years later, it could change. Especially it the U.S. plans to bloster the Indian military with power to counter weight China.
            1st) IMHO, European Union is there to stay. If there is no NATO, they surely would create some equivalent. And if they act militarily as one power - why not?

            2nd) All world is filled with things "Made in China", I haven't yet seen the same happening with goods "Made in India". MIlitary power is not just "tech doping", this is the whole economy. China have a huge desire to become world-class superpower and hurrying to get there.

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            • #7
              First, Grim Reaper needs to learn how to do proper citation when posting an article in toto.

              Second, Hutchison wrote a pretty fluffy article. I think he already had his Top Ten in mind and made up things to justify their ranking in his mind. To whit:

              Originally posted by Strategy Page
              Who will be the big world powers twenty years from now? This is a difficult prediction to make, largely because in 20 years, many unexpected changes could take place. For example, two decades ago, the United States and Soviet Union were locked in a Cold War. Nobody expected that in five years from then, the Berlin Wall would fall and the Soviet Union would literally disintegrate. That said, there is an idea of who is emerging, and who is fading.

              8. Germany – Despite reductions in the German defense budget after the end of the Cold War, this military has several quality systems (like the Leopard 2 main battle tank and the Type 212 submarine). Germany also has had a tradition of effective military forces (just ask the Romans).
              Germany also has a tradition of getting its ass kicked over the last 100 years. Good tanks do not an army make.

              7. Japan – This is a country which has, with one hand tied behind its back, developed the number two navy in the Pacific Rim, and arguably the second-best air force (tied with China). The only thing that holds Japan back is an apparent lack of desire. Things could rapidly change on that front, though.
              Japan's forces are almost 100% defensively-oriented.

              6. Russia – This country has a lot of nukes, and a lot of bombers. While naval designs (like the Kirov-class battlecruisers and Oscar-class submarines) are good on paper, they still have quality issues, and accidents are not unheard of. Still, this is a country that has some advantages, and is no pushover.
              Anyone who thinks the Kirovs and Oscars made sense, even on paper, is clearly hitting the pipe 'way too hard. And "quality issues", he says! And "accidents are not unheard of" - those are the understatements of the year so far.

              4. China – This is a force that has quantity on its side, and is rapidly trying to improve its quality. Their air force will probably have the largest force of Su-27 fighters in the world (at least 580, compared to the 550 in Russian service). The Chinese navy is rapidly introducing new classed of destroyers and frigates that are close to the quality of American and Japanese surface combatants. That said, it is still behind, and the Chinese financial situation could go downhill rapidly.
              "close to the quality of American and Japanese surface combatants"? In what way? I mean, they will float, I'm sure. But will they be up to modern Western standards? Impossible.

              3. UK – While small, this is a force that not only had a tradition of high quality, it has proven as recently as 1982 that it can operate half a world away and still accomplish a difficult mission. Sailor for sailor, there is no better navy than the Royal Navy.
              And how long is a piece of rope? The naval tradition of the UK is unequaled, but their ships and systems are pretty long in the tooth.

              2. India – Probably the most dynamic country in terms of the leaps. India is rapidly becoming self-sufficient in a number of areas, and what it cannot produce, it is able to buy. It also has some of the best training in the world, and can give an unsuspecting opponent a surprise. Probably the next superpower due to a more firm economic footing, and the fact that its Navy is much more advanced than China’s.
              Their navy is much more advanced than China's? But I thought China was producing DDs "close to the quality" of our stuff. Maybe China's navy is as lame as reality actually shows then.

              India I like in second place.

              1. USA – Even while fighting a war on terrorism, the United States is pursuing new technology (such as UCAVs) to maintain an edge over any potential challenger. The forces are well-trained, and the United States Navy is still the most powerful in the world. The term superpower almost understates what the United States can do – it is arguably a hyperpower.
              Yeah, hard to imagine anyone willing to spend the doubloons to catch up with us.

              -dale

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              • #8
                Originally posted by lurker
                1st) IMHO, European Union is there to stay. If there is no NATO, they surely would create some equivalent. And if they act militarily as one power - why not?

                2nd) All world is filled with things "Made in China", I haven't yet seen the same happening with goods "Made in India". MIlitary power is not just "tech doping", this is the whole economy. China have a huge desire to become world-class superpower and hurrying to get there.
                According to many sources India will overtake the economy of China and the U.S. eventually. It may be in 2050 or later on but it will happen and when it does India will be a superpower and a stronger superpower than China if they are one by that time, which will most likely be the case.

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                • #9
                  Anyone who thinks the Kirovs and Oscars made sense, even on paper, is clearly hitting the pipe 'way too hard. And "quality issues", he says! And "accidents are not unheard of" - those are the understatements of the year so far.
                  Good example of a person, who thinks that he is smarter than 100000 engineers and scientists. :) His BS is fun to watch as always.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by lurker
                    Good example of a person, who thinks that he is smarter than 100000 engineers and scientists. :) His BS is fun to watch as always.
                    Well, I am a pretty smart guy. ;)

                    And just how are those Kirovs and Oscars working out for you?

                    -dale

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                    • #11
                      HAH!

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by lurker
                        Good example of a person, who thinks that he is smarter than 100000 engineers and scientists. :) His BS is fun to watch as always.
                        Actually, he's just a good example of a person who has common sense.

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                        • #13
                          Don't Russian submarines have a bit of a history of either exploding, melting down, or sinking themselves with their own ordinance?

                          They also have what, two Kirovs?

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by KPR
                            Don't Russian submarines have a bit of a history of either exploding, melting down, or sinking themselves with their own ordinance?

                            They also have what, two Kirovs?
                            It's not just their subs that catch fire - the Moskvas had a few engine fires too, and I think one of the Kievs did as well.

                            And they had one operable Kirov as of about 2 years ago - the other was laid up in a yard somewhere. Maybe they spent the money to float her again since then.

                            -dale

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                            • #15
                              American subs have a history of also sinking themselves, sometimes without a reason, sometime with all crew.
                              They just interestingly don't make a story out of it.

                              Last time they sunk a sub in 2002. It was AGSS Dolphin (the only diesel-electrical sub in US Navy).

                              And I don't see a diesel-electrical subs sinking every day in Russian Navy. Oh, not even every year, or every ten years.

                              p.s. As always dalem is making efforts to troll this topic with his idiotic messages, and to shift Any following discussion to USA/Russia rivalry.
                              I don't know his personal story with Russians. Maybe he just had a bad experience in a gay club in Moscow.
                              Last edited by lurker; 12 Feb 06,, 12:26.

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