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  • #16
    So essentially what you're saying is that there are no longer any carriers aside from the Nimitz Class.
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    • #17
      Yeah basically. The only "true" carriers operating CTOL aircraft in the USN are the 9 Nimitz-class carriers, USS Enterprise and USS Kitty Hawk and USS John F. Kennedy.
      All other "aviation" ships in the USN are amphibious assault ships that operate only VTOL/VSTOL craft like Harriers, helos and (maybe) tilt-rotor aircraft.
      I highly recommend this link to Global Security.org for all manner of information on US military http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...ems/index.html
      “He was the most prodigious personification of all human inferiorities. He was an utterly incapable, unadapted, irresponsible, psychopathic personality, full of empty, infantile fantasies, but cursed with the keen intuition of a rat or a guttersnipe. He represented the shadow, the inferior part of everybody’s personality, in an overwhelming degree, and this was another reason why they fell for him.”

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      • #18
        USS Enterprise and USS Kitty Hawk and USS John F. Kennedy.
        Damn, I forgot about the Forrestalls.
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        • #19
          Lol, you didnt forget about them, they're simply not in commision anymore. Neither are any of the Midway-class carriers
          “He was the most prodigious personification of all human inferiorities. He was an utterly incapable, unadapted, irresponsible, psychopathic personality, full of empty, infantile fantasies, but cursed with the keen intuition of a rat or a guttersnipe. He represented the shadow, the inferior part of everybody’s personality, in an overwhelming degree, and this was another reason why they fell for him.”

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          • #20
            Aren't the Kitty Hawk, JFK and Enterprise Forrestalls?
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            • #21
              Well...I guess you could make the arguement that they are "enlarged" or "improved" Forrestals. When I get a chance I'll do some research on that
              “He was the most prodigious personification of all human inferiorities. He was an utterly incapable, unadapted, irresponsible, psychopathic personality, full of empty, infantile fantasies, but cursed with the keen intuition of a rat or a guttersnipe. He represented the shadow, the inferior part of everybody’s personality, in an overwhelming degree, and this was another reason why they fell for him.”

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              • #22
                Originally posted by bigross86
                Aren't the Kitty Hawk, JFK and Enterprise Forrestalls?
                CVN-65 Enterprise is easily her own class
                Your look more lost than a bastard child on fathers day.

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                • #23
                  Well, I tried to edit my post but something went wrong, so here it is again.
                  Most sources I've read have referred to the Kitty Hawks, JFK and Enterprise as "modified" Forrestals. The others numerous minor changes, some changes to length and beam etc and other major changes like propulsion (with Enterprise obviously). Also the islands on the post-Forrestal class carriers were modified, most notably Enterprise
                  So, most references list the supercarriers this way.

                  Forrestal Class - All have been removed from service
                  USS Forrestal (CV-59)
                  USS Saratoga (CV-60)
                  USS Ranger (CV-61)
                  USS Independence (CV-62)

                  Kitty Hawk Class - Only Kitty Hawk in service until 2008?
                  USS Kitty Hawk (CV-63)
                  USS Constellation (CV-64)
                  USS America (CV-66) Slightly modified variant

                  Enterprise Class - Still in service until 2013?
                  USS Enterprise (CVN-65)

                  John F. Kennedy Class - Still in service until 2018?
                  USS John F. Kennedy (CV-67)

                  Most of this info is from Global Security.org, definitely worth checking out. I've spent 2 hours at a time browsing Global Security :D

                  Edit: A few details for clarity
                  Last edited by TopHatter; 10 Sep 03,, 18:06.
                  “He was the most prodigious personification of all human inferiorities. He was an utterly incapable, unadapted, irresponsible, psychopathic personality, full of empty, infantile fantasies, but cursed with the keen intuition of a rat or a guttersnipe. He represented the shadow, the inferior part of everybody’s personality, in an overwhelming degree, and this was another reason why they fell for him.”

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                  • #24
                    It's amazing how many of these names I recognize. Hearing some of these ships battle stories would probably be an amazing thing.
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                    • #25
                      Remember too that a couple of those carriers bear the proud names of World War II carriers as well, so their namesake's battle histories are just as fascinating.
                      The supercarrier's battle record is mostly from Vietnam and Desert Storm, with things like Operation El Dorado Canyon (the Libya bombing) thrown in for flavor :)
                      “He was the most prodigious personification of all human inferiorities. He was an utterly incapable, unadapted, irresponsible, psychopathic personality, full of empty, infantile fantasies, but cursed with the keen intuition of a rat or a guttersnipe. He represented the shadow, the inferior part of everybody’s personality, in an overwhelming degree, and this was another reason why they fell for him.”

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                      • #26
                        But Operation El Dorado was done by F-111's...
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                        • #27
                          Order Of Battle for Operation El Dorado Canyon

                          United States Air Force

                          28 KC-10 and KC-135 tankers

                          5 EF-111 Raven ECM (Electronic Countermeasure) aircraft

                          24 FB-111 Strike aircraft (six of these were airborne spares, and returned to base after the initial refueling)

                          United States Navy

                          USS America
                          USS Coral Sea

                          14 A-6E strike aircraft

                          12 A-7E and F/A-18 Electronic warfare and jamming aircraft which undertook air defense suppression for the mission

                          Several F-14 Tomcats which took up the long range Combat Air Patrol (CAP) responsibilities

                          4 E-2C Hawkeye airborne command and control and warning aircraft


                          http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...ado_canyon.htm

                          Remember that the Air Force had to fly a circuitous route from Great Britain, avoiding French airspace. That link also includes a quote (criticism actually) from an unnamed source ""more aircraft and combat ships than Britain employed during its entire campaign in the Falklands."

                          Edit:Spelling and clarification
                          Last edited by TopHatter; 11 Sep 03,, 14:48.
                          “He was the most prodigious personification of all human inferiorities. He was an utterly incapable, unadapted, irresponsible, psychopathic personality, full of empty, infantile fantasies, but cursed with the keen intuition of a rat or a guttersnipe. He represented the shadow, the inferior part of everybody’s personality, in an overwhelming degree, and this was another reason why they fell for him.”

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                          • #28
                            What were the A-6Es for? All the precision bombing was done by the F-111's. I like the "accidental" bomb in the French Embassy. It's a real shame they retired the A-6's.
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                            • #29
                              "Mission planners decided, as part of the effort to attain tactical surprise, to hit all five targets simultaneously. This decision had crucial impact on nearly every aspect of the operation since it meant that the available US Navy resources could not perform the mission unilaterally. The only two types of aircraft in the US inventory capable of conducting a precision night attack were the Navy’s A-6s and the Air Force’s F-111s. The Navy had two aircraft carriers in the Mediterranean at the time planning for the raid: The America and The Coral Sea. Each had ten A-6 aircraft, but these were not the total of 32 aircraft estimated as required to successfully hit all five targets with one raid." http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...ado_canyon.htm
                              “He was the most prodigious personification of all human inferiorities. He was an utterly incapable, unadapted, irresponsible, psychopathic personality, full of empty, infantile fantasies, but cursed with the keen intuition of a rat or a guttersnipe. He represented the shadow, the inferior part of everybody’s personality, in an overwhelming degree, and this was another reason why they fell for him.”

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                              • #30
                                So the A-6's were used as backup if too many F-111's aborted?
                                Meddle not in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.

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