Which Noble order did the most damage in the Crusades?

SlavicWarrior · 08-17-2005, 11:03 AM

Harish Kumar · 08-23-2006, 05:50 AM

I think it was the Knights Templar.They did the most damage.

Harish Kumar · 08-29-2006, 15:48 PM

SlavicWarrior , what is the meaning of your signature , written in Cyrrillic ?

Guinnessman · 07-19-2007, 17:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Harish Kumar

I think it was the Knights Templar.They did the most damage.

Agreed.

The Knights Hospitaller focused more on providing for the sick and poor, although they did have a sizeable presence in Outremer. If I remember rightly they were founded a few years earlier than the Templars. But from what I've read they didn't have quite as much military power, wealth and influence that the Templars had. Which is probably just as well, because if they did then Philip IV might have taken a pop at them too along with the Templars.

The Teutonic Knights came in at third place - they were founded later than the other two orders. After one of the crusades (fourth maybe?) I think they pretty much abandoned the mid-east and set up shop in and around the Baltic states. Not very well clued up on the Teutonic Knights myself, so if anyone can back that up/knock it down then fire away!

Ucar · 07-20-2007, 02:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Harish Kumar

SlavicWarrior , what is the meaning of your signature , written in Cyrrillic ?

They are a song lyric from a group called Severnie Vrata. The exact translation is best done by a member with a better command of the language than me.

Triple C · 07-20-2007, 03:08 AM

The Knights Hospitaller out-lasted everyone else, however, and continued to be a significant military force in the mediterean sea well into the late middle ages/renaissance.

zraver · 07-20-2007, 04:01 AM

The ghosts of the Tuetonic Knights didn't finally stop wailing till May of 1945. They started (via absorbtio of the Livonians) the whole Germanic vs Pole vs Slav ball of wax rolling that would eventually kill so many. Hilter even had propaganda posters made showing him in Gothic Style plate to romanticize the Teutons. During the war the USSR conjured up the Ghosts of Alexander Nevesky to thier cause.

The Tuetons took part in Middle East hwere they controlled Acre, fougth the Cummans in the Balkans, moved to the Baltic and eventually became a defacto state beofre starting a long decline and metamophasis. Eventually being a "social" order controlled by the Hapsburgs after the final Grandmaster converted to Lutneranism and becomin a German prince. Today the small order is devoted to charity.

Guinnessman · 07-20-2007, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by zraver

The ghosts of the Tuetonic Knights didn't finally stop wailing till May of 1945. They started (via absorbtio of the Livonians) the whole Germanic vs Pole vs Slav ball of wax rolling that would eventually kill so many. Hilter even had propaganda posters made showing him in Gothic Style plate to romanticize the Teutons. During the war the USSR conjured up the Ghosts of Alexander Nevesky to thier cause.

The Tuetons took part in Middle East hwere they controlled Acre, fougth the Cummans in the Balkans, moved to the Baltic and eventually became a defacto state beofre starting a long decline and metamophasis. Eventually being a "social" order controlled by the Hapsburgs after the final Grandmaster converted to Lutneranism and becomin a German prince. Today the small order is devoted to charity.

Didn't realise they were still kicking around today. Some interesting info there though Zraver, I'm going to have to put a book on the Teutonic Knights on my reading list!

braindead · 07-20-2007, 15:35 PM

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Originally Posted by zraver

The ghosts of the Tuetonic Knights didn't finally stop wailing till May of 1945. They started (via absorbtio of the Livonians) the whole Germanic vs Pole vs Slav ball of wax rolling that would eventually kill so many. Hilter even had propaganda posters made showing him in Gothic Style plate to romanticize the Teutons. During the war the USSR conjured up the Ghosts of Alexander Nevesky to thier cause.

The Tuetons took part in Middle East hwere they controlled Acre, fougth the Cummans in the Balkans, moved to the Baltic and eventually became a defacto state beofre starting a long decline and metamophasis. Eventually being a "social" order controlled by the Hapsburgs after the final Grandmaster converted to Lutneranism and becomin a German prince. Today the small order is devoted to charity.

Livonian Brothers of the Sword and Episcopalities have left some fine landmarks here -
http://www.postimees.ee/foto/6/4/1274642563b27048d4.jpg
Google Image Result for http://www.miksike.ee/documents/main/referaadid/image525.gif
Toompea*Castle

in latvia - http://www.jvk.lv/galery/aero_latvij...IDA%20copy.jpg

zraver · 07-20-2007, 16:10 PM

On ehuge drawback to being a history buff in America, a derth of fortifications to drool over. Those are awesome, closest I have ever come is Ft. Casey on eof a trio of forts built to protect the entrance to Puget Sound. Plus driving over the Throgsneck(?) bridge in New York I looked down and the base had the very clear star pattern pioneered by Von Stueban.

I noticed the castle in Latvia shows the lessons of the Crusades in the Middle East with its rounded battlements, is it Livonian or Tuetonic?

**TopHatter** · 07-20-2007, 16:17 PM

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Originally Posted by zraver

During the war the USSR conjured up the Ghosts of Alexander Nevesky to thier cause.

Slightly off-topic...

Prokofiev's work on Alexander Nevsky defined the action-adventure movie score for all time, IMHO.

braindead · 07-20-2007, 16:30 PM

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Originally Posted by zraver

On ehuge drawback to being a history buff in America, a derth of fortifications to drool over. Those are awesome, closest I have ever come is Ft. Casey on eof a trio of forts built to protect the entrance to Puget Sound. Plus driving over the Throgsneck(?) bridge in New York I looked down and the base had the very clear star pattern pioneered by Von Stueban.

I noticed the castle in Latvia shows the lessons of the Crusades in the Middle East with its rounded battlements, is it Livonian or Tuetonic?

I live 2 miles from these - http://www.travelgame.org/Images/Est...Margareeta.jpg - Fat Margaret ; [url]Google Image Result for http://www.7is7.com/otto/estonia/tallinn-citywall_olevisteview.jpg ; http://merchantshousehotel.com/pics/...s/013_gate.jpg etc.etc.

my fathers childhood playground , 200 metres from his home - quite fun for young kid !http://www.paide.ee/public/files/vallitorn1s.jpg

the latvian castle is Turaida Castle - TMR

glyn · 07-20-2007, 17:27 PM

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Originally Posted by TopHatter

Slightly off-topic...

Prokofiev's work on Alexander Nevsky defined the action-adventure movie score for all time, IMHO.

Slightly, O exalted one? You must invest in a proper dictionary!

Kansas Bear · 07-21-2007, 13:43 PM

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Originally Posted by zraver

The ghosts of the Tuetonic Knights didn't finally stop wailing till May of 1945. They started (via absorbtio of the Livonians) the whole Germanic vs Pole vs Slav ball of wax rolling that would eventually kill so many. Hilter even had propaganda posters made showing him in Gothic Style plate to romanticize the Teutons. During the war the USSR conjured up the Ghosts of Alexander Nevesky to thier cause.

The Tuetons took part in Middle East hwere they controlled Acre, fougth the Cummans in the Balkans, moved to the Baltic and eventually became a defacto state beofre starting a long decline and metamophasis. Eventually being a "social" order controlled by the Hapsburgs after the final Grandmaster converted to Lutneranism and becomin a German prince. Today the small order is devoted to charity.

Drang Nach Osten and the Northern Crusades

JohnFlint1985 · 10-19-2007, 23:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Harish Kumar

SlavicWarrior , what is the meaning of your signature , written in Cyrrillic ?

"Было время, была Слава Смерть несли мечи Славена А теперь другая правда И забыта мудрость предков..."

It is in Russian - it means
"It was time, it was Glory, Death was brought by the swords of Slaven. And now it is another truth. And memory of ancestors is forgotten"

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View Poll Results: Which Military Order did the most damage in the Crusades?
Knights Templar	25	62.50%
Knights Hospitaller	2	5.00%
Teutonic Knights	13	32.50%
Voters: 40. You may not vote on this poll

08-23-2006, 05:50 AM	#2 (permalink)
Harish Kumar Regular Join Date: 08-09-06 Posts: 26	I think it was the Knights Templar.They did the most damage.

07-20-2007, 04:01 AM	#7 (permalink)
zraver Contrary by nature. *Military Professional* Join Date: 10-22-06 Location: Arkansas Posts: 3,379 Country:	The ghosts of the Tuetonic Knights didn't finally stop wailing till May of 1945. They started (via absorbtio of the Livonians) the whole Germanic vs Pole vs Slav ball of wax rolling that would eventually kill so many. Hilter even had propaganda posters made showing him in Gothic Style plate to romanticize the Teutons. During the war the USSR conjured up the Ghosts of Alexander Nevesky to thier cause. The Tuetons took part in Middle East hwere they controlled Acre, fougth the Cummans in the Balkans, moved to the Baltic and eventually became a defacto state beofre starting a long decline and metamophasis. Eventually being a "social" order controlled by the Hapsburgs after the final Grandmaster converted to Lutneranism and becomin a German prince. Today the small order is devoted to charity.

07-20-2007, 16:10 PM	#10 (permalink)
zraver Contrary by nature. *Military Professional* Join Date: 10-22-06 Location: Arkansas Posts: 3,379 Country:	On ehuge drawback to being a history buff in America, a derth of fortifications to drool over. Those are awesome, closest I have ever come is Ft. Casey on eof a trio of forts built to protect the entrance to Puget Sound. Plus driving over the Throgsneck(?) bridge in New York I looked down and the base had the very clear star pattern pioneered by Von Stueban. I noticed the castle in Latvia shows the lessons of the Crusades in the Middle East with its rounded battlements, is it Livonian or Tuetonic?

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