The accuracy of the Bible - Page 8

**TopHatter** · 09-16-2007, 17:10 PM

Guys,
I hate to abandon a thread in mid-debate but I'm exiting this one as of right now.

Thank you for the insightful discussion.

Ray · 09-16-2007, 17:17 PM

What has been edited?

Ray · 09-16-2007, 17:21 PM

Roman Catholicism - Christian or Pagan?

Academic interest and not religious!

Ray · 09-16-2007, 17:25 PM

Also:

The Pagan Influence of The catholic church ... Mithra.... Photo Sixteen

Roman Catholicism - Christian or Pagan?

Read only from an academic point of view and not religious.

I do not believe in religion, but it is not for me to insult any religion.

Education and knowledge is what I seek.

Kansas Bear · 09-16-2007, 20:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ray

I do not believe in religion, but it is not for me to insult any religion.

Brigadier,

Same here sir. I don't believe anyone's religion should be called 'heretical' or ignorant.

Feanor · 09-16-2007, 22:29 PM

Opium for the masses.

EDIT: Hehehe i didn't insult any one religion. I got em all.

texasjohn · 09-16-2007, 22:45 PM

All religions have a common set of laws:

Don't kill, steal, or F*uck your neighbor's wife.

This is true if it's Christianity, Hinduism, moslem, or buddist.

What Christ was doing was merely re-inforcing the same. He was an Essene priest for sure. The sermon on the mount is a re-iteration of the Essenes code of law. He was a jew ( kept the sabbath) and lived as such.

brokensickle · 09-16-2007, 23:30 PM

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Originally Posted by entropy

Catolicism has a lot of rituals and concepts that aren't even mentioned in the Bible. The Birth Sin, symbolics such as giving money for your sins, the entire Papacy, celibacy of priests, Hell (only briefly mentioned in the Bible), and so on. It relies on symbolics more than on spirituality, symbolics which more often than not are unmentioned in the Bible.

As for paganism, how is having one upper deity, a mother goddess, their son, and myriads of deities representing their profession (as was the case with all pagan religions, you had gods of war, blacksmiths, love, shipping, merchants, ...) which can be worshipped separately (while the Bible clearly says that you should not worship other gods than JHVH), not pagan? Does the presence of a Christian book make it different? I see the very concepts of ancient polytheism in the Catholic faith.

In the Christian religion "The Trinity Is One God",..............

1. God the creator of all things the head of all things is one with,......

2. The Holy Spirit the spirit of God that moves and speaks to men here on Earth,......

3. The Son of God (Christ Jesus) who came to redeem men to himself, who is born of man (the flesh), through Mary and born of God through the seed of God. Jesus is God come to live in the flesh to be both a savior and mediator for mankind. Jesus is the fullness of God in the form of man, who suffered as a man without sinning. Jesus is the perfect sacrafice covering over the sins of Adam that took place in the Garden of Eden. He layed down His life (His flesh) as a perfected human being in the flesh. God's original plan in the Garden of Eden was for man to live in perfact fellowship with Him. He gave freewill to men to choose to follow Him and obey Him. But with freewill came a price. That price for those rebelling against His will would be physical and spiritual death. Adam, Eve and the son's and daughters of men waltzed by their own choice into sin. God loved them so much that He sent His Son as a perfect sacrafice to redeem us from death.

God, The Holy Spirit, and Jesus are One and the same. Different manifestations of ONE God. The Ideal was there all along. In attempting to define it the Catholic Church added the word trinity I believe to help people to understand it. As many people at the time may have pondered the mysteries of th scriptures as we do today. Now people probably misinterpret that the trinity is some how a polytheistic version of Christianity concocted by the Catholics. It is my view that they were trying to explain the three attributes of God by using the word trinity.

I am not Catholic but have met some Catholics that are very much "Born again" Christians by even the Evangelical definition. I'm not attempting to split hairs, Jesus says to be born again. The Holy Spirit will dwell in those who are born again. In turn the Holy Spirit will not disapoint us as it is the spirit of God.

May Gods Spirit Dwell in all...

Ivan

Dwarven Pirate · 09-16-2007, 23:30 PM

Occurs to me that taking ritual or doctrine from Mithraism, Zoroastrianism, ancient Egypt, or whatever isn't necessarily any detraction. The one thing that seems universal is that the common man cannot (or at least does not) comprehend the Truth. So the evolution of religious dogma could be expected as we near an understanding.

Tho atheism I find to be self-indulgent, both atheist and agnostic should find the whole thing sociologically interesting, at least.

Quote:

Religious distress is at the same time the expression of real distress and the protest against real distress. Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, just as it is the spirit of a spiritless situation. It is the opium of the people. The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is required for their real happiness. The demand to give up the illusion about its condition is the demand to give up a condition which needs illusions.
Karl Marx, Critique of Hegel’s Philosophy of Right

I find it amusing to see Marx quoted on this board

So he is not the Devil after all?

Feanor · 09-16-2007, 23:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Dwarven Pirate

I find it amusing to see Marx quoted on this board

So he is not the Devil after all?

No. I'm the devil. Call 1-800-buy-soul to sell yours today.

Kansas Bear · 09-17-2007, 00:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dwarven Pirate

I find it amusing to see Marx quoted on this board

So he is not the Devil after all?

No, that's Nietzsche.

brokensickle · 09-17-2007, 00:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dwarven Pirate

Occurs to me that taking ritual or doctrine from Mithraism, Zoroastrianism, ancient Egypt, or whatever isn't necessarily any detraction. The one thing that seems universal is that the common man cannot (or at least does not) comprehend the Truth. So the evolution of religious dogma could be expected as we near an understanding.

Tho atheism I find to be self-indulgent, both atheist and agnostic should find the whole thing sociologically interesting, at least.

I find it amusing to see Marx quoted on this board

So he is not the Devil after all?

Marx was the false prophet, Lennon Was the zealot and Stalin was the Devil. In that order.

Their Communist religion is still causing pain and suffering the world over.

I am Brokensickle the Anti-commie. Muahh, Ha, Ha!!! Communism ruins everything it touches.

IVAN TAVARISH OF FREEDOM

glyn · 09-17-2007, 05:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brokensickle

Marx was the false prophet, Lennon Was the zealot and Stalin was the Devil. In that order.

Their Communist religion is still causing pain and suffering the world over.

I am Brokensickle the Anti-commie. Muahh, Ha, Ha!!! Communism ruins everything it touches.

IVAN TAVARISH OF FREEDOM

What? A Beatle was the zealot?

tankie · 09-17-2007, 08:20 AM

[quote=texasjohn;407136]All religions have a common set of laws:

Don't kill, steal, or F*uck your neighbor's wife.

QUOTE]

Thats me down below as a stoker then , just for the 1st offence of course

brokensickle · 09-17-2007, 13:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by glyn

What? A Beatle was the zealot?

I must have not spelled Lennin correctly the first time, Ehh?

Ivan

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Ray Postmaster General *Military Professional* Join Date: 08-20-03 Posts: 24,972 Country:	What has been edited? __________________ "Some have learnt many Tricks of sly Evasion, Instead of Truth they use Equivocation, And eke it out with mental Reservation, Which is to good Men an Abomination." I don't have to attend every argument I'm invited to. HAKUNA MATATA

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Ray Postmaster General *Military Professional* Join Date: 08-20-03 Posts: 24,972 Country:	Roman Catholicism - Christian or Pagan? Academic interest and not religious! Last edited by Ray : 09-16-2007 at 17:28 PM.

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Ray Postmaster General *Military Professional* Join Date: 08-20-03 Posts: 24,972 Country:	Also: The Pagan Influence of The catholic church ... Mithra.... Photo Sixteen Roman Catholicism - Christian or Pagan? Read only from an academic point of view and not religious. I do not believe in religion, but it is not for me to insult any religion. Education and knowledge is what I seek. Last edited by Ray : 09-16-2007 at 17:30 PM.

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Feanor Banished Join Date: 06-12-07 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 2,385 Country:	Opium for the masses. EDIT: Hehehe i didn't insult any one religion. I got em all. Last edited by Feanor : 09-16-2007 at 22:31 PM.

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tankie tankie *Military Professional* Join Date: 11-22-06 Location: u/k Posts: 1,784 Country:	[quote=texasjohn;407136]All religions have a common set of laws: Don't kill, steal, or Fuck your neighbor's wife. QUOTE] Thats me down below as a stoker then , just for the 1st offence of course __________________ TANKIE , WITHOUT WAX* Last edited by tankie : 09-17-2007 at 09:02 AM.

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TopHatter Administrator Join Date: 09-03-03 Location: Fort Myers FL Posts: 9,510 Country:	Guys, I hate to abandon a thread in mid-debate but I'm exiting this one as of right now. Thank you for the insightful discussion.

09-16-2007, 22:45 PM	#112 (permalink)
texasjohn *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 07-28-06 Location: Arlington, TX Posts: 940 Country:	All religions have a common set of laws: Don't kill, steal, or F*uck your neighbor's wife. This is true if it's Christianity, Hinduism, moslem, or buddist. What Christ was doing was merely re-inforcing the same. He was an Essene priest for sure. The sermon on the mount is a re-iteration of the Essenes code of law. He was a jew ( kept the sabbath) and lived as such.

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