Kansas Bear

Actually, the Protestant bible doesn't have Tobit, Judith, Wisdom, Sirach, Baruch, and First and Second Maccabees and parts of books Esther 10:4-16:24, and Daniel 3:24-90; 13:1-14:42.

So the Protestants did do a minor revision of the bible.

ExNavyAmerican

Yes. Which is why the Bible was not compiled by Catholics. The Protestant Bible used today was canonized by 100 A.D.: 200-500 years (depending on which way you look at it) before the advent of the Roman Catholic Church. Which means that the Bible was not revised by Catholics, but by Catholics.

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ExNavyAmerican

TopHatter:

zraver said:

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You said:

I got the impression that you believe what you said: that the deity of Jesus, and the fact that he was the Christ, was the work of the Council of Nicaea. I obviously misunderstood in regards to Christ. But, you do seem to deny the deity of Christ, using the Bible to try and support it, but ignore all Biblical evidence to the contrary.

ExNavyAmerican

The one true God is made of three inseparable but distinct parts: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. -together, these individuals are called the "Godhead", or the Trinity. Individually, they're called, as follows, God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. The operable term being God. Of course this is assuming you subscribe to the belief of the Trinity. If you don't, I'd stop using the term Son and Father in referring to Jesus, and His Father. -(that last statement of mine also being structured by my belief in the trinity)

sealion

Dear Sir
I didn’t miss you at all

Answering your points:
Not entirely true. The flag of England is a red cross on a white background. Look again at my avatar and note a white cross on a black background. It is the Cornish flag. The English, Scottish, Welch, Cornish and Manx are known collectively as British. You are, I assume a Greek Cypriot. There are also Turkish Cypriots. You may consider yourselves to be very different but both parties are Cypriots.

Before adopting anything you had to search. I m Greek Orthodox (Greek Orthodox have a dogma which says " search and believe " instead of believe and not search" of the Catholics )and yes I m a proud Cypriot who believes Turkish Cypriots as his brothers, those who are considered not as my brothers are the Turks, you see you have to read history. (Dividing to rule was one of the main ways for the English to rule) As about Cornish I don’t see the difference from the English while trying to conquer the kingdom of yours.
The books have been around in one form or another for quite a time, but it was the study of the Dead Sea Scrolls found at Qumran and compared with the Nag Hamadi scrolls found earlier in Egypt that led to a number of scholarly works to be published from about 1990.
Oooooh, yes the scrolls, those found at Qumran and The nag Hamada scrolls
I know they are impressive scrolls but you didn’t mention the time these scrolls were written. If you consider scholarly works made by people who knows not religion in 1990 as something stable you can rely, I better stop here. After all you mentioned they have been around in one form or another for quite a time.
When stationed in Cyprus during the EOKA troubles I spent 10 days R&R at the Coer d'Leon hotel in Kyrenia.
Thank you for trying to remember to me the way you used to rule (by dividing)
But staying in Kyrenia for 10 days doesn’t make you Simon, neither teaches you the history of Cyprus .
If you think that then you are missing the point entirely.
Well I didn’t miss you at all. you don’t have the proper knowledge about using psychology ways to get to your target (choosing blue colour , easy to read big letters , points left to the air for a while before you continue to explanations , dividing answers to make your point of interest , and pass through thinking of others so it can t harm your way of thinking ,) . You see using too much of this tricks make the others suspicious. And what is your target? Total attacking to Bible from its basement. How do I assume that? Well, posting questions, normally the maximum you have to include is optional answers and thoughts; you include “answers” also. Negative approach after attack is another trick of the English ways of course. There are so many examples in your history. You know you are making me to start thinking you were in the intelligence services , If you were a military pro at all , you see such kind of tasks are imposed to be out of range for military personell worldwide .
You do have a simple and naive faith and apparently believe every word your priests tell you. Stay that way by all means. Do not butt in on things you do not understand.
How typical English. After making attacking points “sympathy” is your next step, as point of higher race. Of course here is used otherwise .Things you might not understand is that English were face painted blue like your letters when Pyros firstly came to your country thousands years before . Things you may not understand is that Plato talks about religion In Timeos book thousands years before you were born .I doubt even if you find that book , you would be able to read it and explain it , However you claim that you understand the scrolls written 200 years after Jesus was born, approximately 2000 years ago. You also forget religions of ancient Egypt.
I think I know what you are trying to say, in your limited knowledge of the language, but what has that got to do with the present subject?
Well the answer, in my limited knowledge of your language, while you have not idea about my language, is in your words
In the English speaking world King James ordered a new translation which became known as the Authorised Bible just to clear up the most obvious errors and to put it in correct English.
Sorry Master if I m not your follower , and I don’t support you , I m really sorry if my words sound as big danger to your image , I m also sorry I m standing here to protect my religion ( I might be orthodox but I m Christian too like Catholics , we have the same bible and we used to be one church till 600 ac ) And finally I m sorry I m not English . after all I had to , you see being slave to English till 1955 and making trouble to them to get our Liberty , I have to say I ought them .
When stationed in Cyprus during the EOKA troubles

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Dwarven Pirate

There is the bit about him astounding the rabbis with his knowledge.

Sealion, I like your post there.

glyn

[quote=sealion;406729]Dear Sir
I didn’t miss you at all

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Answering your points:
Not entirely true. The flag of England is a red cross on a white background. Look again at my avatar and note a white cross on a black background. It is the Cornish flag. The English, Scottish, Welch, Cornish and Manx are known collectively as British. You are, I assume a Greek Cypriot. There are also Turkish Cypriots. You may consider yourselves to be very different but both parties are Cypriots.

Before adopting anything you had to search. I m Greek Orthodox (Greek Orthodox have a dogma which says " search and believe " instead of believe and not search" of the Catholics )and yes I m a proud Cypriot who believes Turkish Cypriots as his brothers, those who are considered not as my brothers are the Turks, you see you have to read history. (Dividing to rule was one of the main ways for the English to rule) As about Cornish I don’t see the difference from the English while trying to conquer the kingdom of yours.

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The books have been around in one form or another for quite a time, but it was the study of the Dead Sea Scrolls found at Qumran and compared with the Nag Hamadi scrolls found earlier in Egypt that led to a number of scholarly works to be published from about 1990.
Oooooh, yes the scrolls, those found at Qumran and The nag Hamada scrolls
I know they are impressive scrolls but you didn’t mention the time these scrolls were written. If you consider scholarly works made by people who knows not religion in 1990 as something stable you can rely, I better stop here. After all you mentioned they have been around in one form or another for quite a time.

The Nag Hammadi scrolls and those from Qumran are of the same period. 1st Century AD and part of the 1st C BC. Between them they reveal and clarify things that previously historians were either unaware of or uncertain of.


When stationed in Cyprus during the EOKA troubles I spent 10 days R&R at the Coer d'Leon hotel in Kyrenia.
Thank you for trying to remember to me the way you used to rule (by dividing)
But staying in Kyrenia for 10 days doesn’t make you Simon, neither teaches you the history of Cyprus .

Did I claim that it did? Don't be ridiculous.

If you think that then you are missing the point entirely.
[color="Red"]Well I didn’t miss you at all. you don’t have the proper knowledge about using psychology ways to get to your target (choosing blue colour , easy to read big letters , points left to the air for a while before you continue to explanations , dividing answers to make your point of interest , and pass through thinking of others so it can t harm your way of thinking ,) . You see using too much of this tricks make the others suspicious. And what is your target? Total attacking to Bible from its basement. How do I assume that? Well, posting questions, normally the maximum you have to include is optional answers and thoughts; you include “answers” also. Negative approach after attack is another trick of the English ways of course. There are so many examples in your history. You know you are making me to start thinking you were in the intelligence services , If you were a military pro at all , you see such kind of tasks are imposed to be out of range for military personell worldwide .[

It says in my public profile that I was in the Intelligence services, but that was after I retired from a full military career.

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You do have a simple and naive faith and apparently believe every word your priests tell you. Stay that way by all means. Do not butt in on things you do not understand.
How typical English.

I repeat. I am not English. How many more times to you have to be told?

After making attacking points “sympathy” is your next step, as point of higher race.

Listen Sweetpea, I can't help it if you have an inferiority complex.

Of course here is used otherwise .Things you might not understand is that English were face painted blue like your letters when Pyros firstly came to your country thousands years before . Things you may not understand is that Plato talks about religion In Timeos book thousands years before you were born .I doubt even if you find that book , you would be able to read it and explain it ,

If its tedious you may be right.

However you claim that you understand the scrolls written 200 years after Jesus was born, approximately 2000 years ago.

Read what I've written, and don't make foolish assumptions. We (anyone who takes the time to study) can read, and better understand the scrolls through the efforts of historians. If we have had to change some of our own assumptions, so be it.

You also forget religions of ancient Egypt.

I never mentioned them as it wasn't relevant to my point.

I think I know what you are trying to say, in your limited knowledge of the language, but what has that got to do with the present subject?
Well the answer, in my limited knowledge of your language, while you have not idea about my language, is in your words
In the English speaking world King James ordered a new translation which became known as the Authorised Bible just to clear up the most obvious errors and to put it in correct English.

Sorry Master if I m not your follower , and I don’t support you , I m really sorry if my words sound as big danger to your image , I m also sorry I m standing here to protect my religion ( I might be orthodox but I m Christian too like Catholics , we have the same bible and we used to be one church till 600 ac ) And finally I m sorry I m not English . after all I had to , you see being slave to English till 1955 and making trouble to them to get our Liberty , I have to say I ought them .

What gobbledegook is this? What do you mean by 'ought them'? Do you mean fought them? If you did you must be quite elderly now. You may have been one of those who rejoiced when Mrs Cunningham was killed, shot in the back when out shopping. What a brave act that was! Yes, they killed the wife of a soldier and Athens radio was full of it. Strangely enough I was not favourably impressed.
If you want to debate Cyprus, ask a mod to make you a separate thread. This is supposed to be about the accuracy of the bible. All we have heard from you about that is your ingrained belief prevents you from contributing anything useful.

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glyn

tankie

No mate im not.

Its too much like a military parade now ,what with standards and pomp n circumstance its all too much , what was wrong with just a good ol p,iss up with your mates

like the last supper , when J/C turned up they were all on the bread and wine but J/C had sweet and sour pork and fried rice with a portion of spare ribs in BBQ sauce , the lads were a tad miffed and asked him where he had got the feast from , he replied ,

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TopHatter

I'll respond more later but for the moment, no I do not subscribe to the belief of the Trinity.

The Trinity Doctrine was merely the latest in a long string of pagan triads of gods. Nowhere in the Bible does it say "The one true God is made of three inseparable but distinct parts: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. -together, these individuals are called the "Godhead", or the Trinity. Individually, they're called, as follows, God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit."

Kansas Bear

What bible was canonized by 100 AD? Who canonized it??


In 382 Pope Damasus called a synod which produced the Roman Code. The Roman Code listed the 'accepted' holy scriptures for the bible.

The Septuagint, was used by St. Jerome to translate the OT, c.400 AD.

zraver

Tophatter, the Bible is very clear that Jesus is God. It identifies Jesus as the Word (capitol W) John 1:1

glyn

TopHatter

Exactly.

And zraver, if that's your strongest argument, a capitalized letter, then the Trinity doctrine is looking pretty shaky.

Because when Jesus says that not even he knows exactly when the End Times will occur, but only the Father does, then it's looking like they're not all "co-equal".

In fact, they're looking pretty unequal because two of your godhead are out in the cold when it comes to the date of probably the most important future event described in the Bible.

The Trinity Doctrine is a confusing and self-contradicting jumble of paganism and human theory. (I belive the Catholic Church calls it a "holy mystery" )

Which is rather ironic, when the Bible says that God is not a god of confusion but a god of order.
Personally I think that the Bible is very accurate.

I won't have all the answers you're looking for right at hand, but as long as our discussion here isn't polluted with a lot of Roman paganism, the Bible does a good job of explaining itself.

Kansas Bear

And what religion is that??

That is incorrect. The Orthodox Church uses the original Septuagint, whereas the Catholic Church omits two books in the OT.

600 AC??

Following the Papal Bull of Excommunication, the Catholic Church split in 1054 AD into the Catholic Church and the Orthodox Church.

Odd you wouldn't know all this.