The accuracy of the Bible - Page 17

glyn · 03-29-2008, 06:48 AM

Interesting Greek word occurs first in the works of Lucien who ascribes to Aristotle a classification of his own works as esoteric and exoteric. The OED gives us esoteric Of philosophical doctrines, treatises, modes of speech etc: Designed for, or appropriate to, an inner circle of advanced or privileged disciples; Communicated to, or intelligible by, the initiated exclusively. Hence of disciples: Belonging to the inner circle, admitted to the esoteric teaching.

JAD_333 · 03-29-2008, 10:50 AM

I didn't mean esoteric in the formal organizational sense. But the idea of being connected with the inner meaning is close.

Kansas Bear · 03-30-2008, 01:58 AM

I can't speak for Glyn, but, I believe he was trying to imply that recent archeological findings may change the outlook(ie. spiritual) on the New Testament. Although, since the canon(concerning the Bible) has been finalized, no changes will be made.

Just a thought........

JAD_333 · 03-30-2008, 02:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Kansas Bear

I can't speak for Glyn, but, I believe he was trying to imply that recent archeological findings may change the outlook(ie. spiritual) on the New Testament. Although, since the canon(concerning the Bible) has been finalized, no changes will be made.

Just a thought........

That would be an odd thing for an atheist to do. But you never know.

Kansas Bear · 03-30-2008, 03:00 AM

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Originally Posted by JAD_333

That would be an odd thing for an atheist to do. But you never know.

Me or Glyn? I'm an agnostic......btw

JAD_333 · 03-30-2008, 16:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Kansas Bear

Me or Glyn? I'm an agnostic......btw

Glyn. I beleive he said he was an atheist. It would seem an agnostic would be greatly influenced by revelations that contradict long accepted matters of faith in the NT. Is that the case for you?

glyn · 03-30-2008, 16:35 PM

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Originally Posted by JAD_333

That would be an odd thing for an atheist to do. But you never know.

This atheist never knows!

JAD_333 · 03-30-2008, 17:04 PM

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Originally Posted by glyn

This atheist never knows!

That makes you an agnostic.

JAD_333 · 03-30-2008, 17:31 PM

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Originally Posted by glyn

This atheist never knows!

Come to think of it what you said reminds me of the attitude of so-called "weak" atheists.

You might be interested in the unique approach the atheist at the following link takes in explaining atheism.

One fallacy hangs over his entire discourse. Do you see it?

Atheism: An Introduction to Atheism

glyn · 03-30-2008, 18:14 PM

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Originally Posted by JAD_333

Come to think of it what you said reminds me of the attitude of so-called "weak" atheists.

You might be interested in the unique approach the atheist at the following link takes in explaining atheism.

One fallacy hangs over his entire discourse. Do you see it?

Atheism: An Introduction to Atheism

No.

But I'm fairly sure you are going to tell me.

JAD_333 · 03-30-2008, 19:45 PM

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Originally Posted by glyn

No.

But I'm fairly sure you are going to tell me.

I can't remember what it was.

It has something to do with this. Worth a listen.

TED | Talks | Jill Bolte Taylor: My stroke of insight (video)

glyn · 03-31-2008, 11:56 AM

[quote=JAD_333;475662]I can't remember what it was.

We are the same age my friend, and both losing brain cells at a prodigious rate!

I used to have a good memory, and I expect you did too. From now on we will experience ever more 'senior moments' I'm afraid. At least we have some form of excuse when we are found to be in error.

Kansas Bear · 03-31-2008, 14:37 PM

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Originally Posted by JAD_333

Glyn. I beleive he said he was an atheist. It would seem an agnostic would be greatly influenced by revelations that contradict long accepted matters of faith in the NT. Is that the case for you?

Not really. The established churches/religions aren't going to change anything in regards to dogma just because someone found a scroll with possible Christian writings.

tomspug · 03-31-2008, 16:41 PM

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Originally Posted by glyn

I am the original poster. I did not 'spout out things I heard on the internet', nor have I seen anything about it on youtube. I have given frames of reference, historical quotes and the opinion of 'qualified historians' who could knock yours into a cocked hat, sunshine, including those directly involved with the Dead Sea scroll translation. What's your position, and what's your problem? You did say when you joined that you wished to be better informed, and to make friends, didn't you? Muahahahaha

My apologies for misunderstanding you. However, your original post comes off as very judgmental and unsourced.

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The three who were crucified together were 'Jesus', 'Judas Iscariot' and 'Simon'.

This one is the first that raises flags. How in the world were three biblical figures crucified in one day and yet it is not mentioned in the Bible. If this is so, what was the reason for their crucifixion? Why does Tacitus or Josephus make no mention in them (they are the most reliable ancient historians of that time period and only mention Jesus in the crucifixion). Where is your source on this claim?

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Simon was a Magi and administered medicine to Jesus, reviving him.

What??? This has absolutely no historical basis and I challenge you to find a single reliable historical source!

Seriously, I have never heard of this opinion from a reliable historian before. Most assuredly, if such a historian exists, their opinion is well within the minority.

Herodotus · 03-31-2008, 18:54 PM

Here is a link to the Gnostic texts; the Gospel of (Doubting) Thomas, the Gospel of Judas, the Gospel of Mary Magdalene, etc. I'm not sure if what glyn says is mentioned therein or not, I could not find any reference with a quick glance.

Nag Hammadi Library

That's not to say it isn't there. For full disclousre I profess being a Christian, though I am an Episcopalian (The American version of the Church of England), which needless to say members of the church have a wide variation on interpeting the Bible.

John Spong is a former bishop, is very eloquent, and has some interesting takes on the Bible:

http://www.johnshelbyspong.com/

03-29-2008, 06:48 AM	#241 (permalink)
glyn *Military Professional* Join Date: 09-15-06 Location: Penzance, Cornwall UK Posts: 6,356	Interesting Greek word occurs first in the works of Lucien who ascribes to Aristotle a classification of his own works as esoteric and exoteric. The OED gives us esoteric Of philosophical doctrines, treatises, modes of speech etc: Designed for, or appropriate to, an inner circle of advanced or privileged disciples; Communicated to, or intelligible by, the initiated exclusively. Hence of disciples: Belonging to the inner circle, admitted to the esoteric teaching. __________________ Semper in excretum. Solum profunda variat.

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JAD_333 *Defense Professional* Join Date: 04-15-07 Location: Virginia Posts: 2,607 Country:	I didn't mean esoteric in the formal organizational sense. But the idea of being connected with the inner meaning is close. __________________ To be Truly ignorant, Man requires an Education. (Plato)

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Kansas Bear WAB Resident Historian *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 07-01-06 Location: Tornado Alley Posts: 1,507 Country:	I can't speak for Glyn, but, I believe he was trying to imply that recent archeological findings may change the outlook(ie. spiritual) on the New Testament. Although, since the canon(concerning the Bible) has been finalized, no changes will be made. Just a thought........

03-31-2008, 11:56 AM	#252 (permalink)
glyn *Military Professional* Join Date: 09-15-06 Location: Penzance, Cornwall UK Posts: 6,356	[quote=JAD_333;475662]I can't remember what it was. We are the same age my friend, and both losing brain cells at a prodigious rate! I used to have a good memory, and I expect you did too. From now on we will experience ever more 'senior moments' I'm afraid. At least we have some form of excuse when we are found to be in error.

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Herodotus Contributor Join Date: 04-05-07 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 323 Country:	Here is a link to the Gnostic texts; the Gospel of (Doubting) Thomas, the Gospel of Judas, the Gospel of Mary Magdalene, etc. I'm not sure if what glyn says is mentioned therein or not, I could not find any reference with a quick glance. Nag Hammadi Library That's not to say it isn't there. For full disclousre I profess being a Christian, though I am an Episcopalian (The American version of the Church of England), which needless to say members of the church have a wide variation on interpeting the Bible. John Spong is a former bishop, is very eloquent, and has some interesting takes on the Bible: http://www.johnshelbyspong.com/

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