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Old 03-23-2007, 16:41 PM   #61 (permalink)
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Xerxes u can't possiby be a bigger sci-fi fan if you don't watch SG-1
I dont watch SG-1, but I am aware of such show ... for me the gauge to measure the biggest Sci-fi fan is not in SG-1, but rather his literature review of Frank Herbert and Isaac Asimov: dune and foundation/robotis universe series, respectively. Few people can boast about reading the entire Dune, foundation/robotis series. I did. therefore I am the ultimate Sci-fan fan.
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Old 03-23-2007, 17:20 PM   #62 (permalink)
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Third time, you typed the samething for another person hehe ...
Yes, because not everyone reads every single post about the 300 in every single forum.

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if it is any recocilation, I find myself in agreement with you on that subject of point of view, but still even a lone surviving Spartan should not confuse Imperial Guards "Immortals", with the Japanese swordsmen armed with Katana, considering the fact that he never heard of Japan.
Boy aren't we a stickler to details. Spartans wore armor too. The Spartans in the movie did not. The immortals didn't have Dr. Doom masks. How could he have made such a mistake describing the veil they wore with iron masks that never existed?

Were those Katanas? Did they have curved blades? I thought they were straight blades more commonly found in wakisashi or ninja-to. Did you just confuse a katana with a wakisashi? Let's say they have curved blades. Did they have sharkskin handles commonly found on katanas? If not, they aren't katanas. Let's get really technical here.

The tanks in Battle of the Bulge were inaccurate. The Germans used Patton tanks and the Americans used Chaffees. None of those soldiers mentioned that the Germans were using something other than Panzer III, IV, and Tigers. How could they not?

You need to learn about what exaggeration and drama is. I love technical details. But sometimes we just have to say OK this is a movie. The sarge in Resident Evil carried an HK G36 rifle but the computer displayed a graphic of the HK MP5 during the threat analysis. It's a mistake.

We know what you're trying to do here. You're Persian and offended that your people were portrayed as weird looking barbarians. We know you're offended. We also know Persians don't look like that. Just sit down and enjoy a movie. Scream and whine about it will only make you look stupid.

Being able to laugh at yourself will earn far more respect from others than to constantly complain about how you're treated. Every post you make drives my respect for you down a notch.
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Old 03-23-2007, 17:24 PM   #63 (permalink)
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Gunut,

You actually misunderstood. I was being serious when I said I find myself in aggrement with you on the issue of a lone Spartan seeing an exotic oriental people. Actually, I came to your opinion, first time you wrote that in page one.
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Old 03-23-2007, 17:26 PM   #64 (permalink)
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Being able to laugh at yourself will earn far more respect from others than to constantly complain about how you're treated. Every post you make drives my respect for you down a notch.
a mutual feeling I would say ....
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I dont watch SG-1, but I am aware of such show ... for me the gauge to measure the biggest Sci-fi fan is not in SG-1, but rather his literature review of Frank Herbert and Isaac Asimov: dune and foundation/robotis universe series, respectively. Few people can boast about reading the entire Dune, foundation/robotis series. I did. therefore I am the ultimate Sci-fan fan.
Dune and the Foundation series are so yesterday. Although the Robot series are awesome.

You cannot be a true sci-fi fan without intimate knowledge of Star Trek, especially the original series. SG1 is a bonus, just like Star Wars.
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Old 03-23-2007, 18:58 PM   #66 (permalink)
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Loved 300! Great movie. Packed full of heroes, gods, magic, monsters and mayhem, everything Greek myth/legend has to offer. Tossing out 2 of the lessons history has tried to provide us, "tyranny must be opposed", and "politicizers are often working for the enemy". A great combo, a great war flick.
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Old 03-25-2007, 00:13 AM   #67 (permalink)
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I saw 300 and enjoyed it. As it happens, I am reading the Histories of Herodotus. As of this posting, I have only gotten up to the battle of Marathon. I'll inform the board as to how accurate the movie was compared to Herodotus' account. My sense of the movie was that it was broadly accurate in its events, but inaccurate in its appearance. However, people should keep in mind that this was not intended as a realistic retelling of Thermopylae, but as a faithful adaptation of Frank Miller's graphic novel. As such, I think that criticisms about the depictions of Persians and other political issues are out of place.

Also of note, today (Sunday 25 March) is the date of Greece's independence from the Ottoman Empire, another 'Eastern Enemy.'

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Old 03-25-2007, 01:34 AM   #68 (permalink)
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Also of note, today (Sunday 25 March) is the date of Greece's independence from the Ottoman Empire, another 'Eastern Enemy.'
Also the dark night of Greek national football team. 4-1

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Old 03-25-2007, 04:04 AM   #69 (permalink)
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Did anyone get the feeling that Xerxes from 300 is a Goa'uld?
Haha! Come to think of it that poped into my head as he spoke his first words!
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Old 03-25-2007, 04:15 AM   #70 (permalink)
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The only stuff that I watch are:

Rome
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Haven't seen Rome, don't get HBO, watched the Soprano's for a while but 2 seasons of MOB hits are enough for me.

As Gunnut said BSG really has gone to hell in a hand basket, season three has been a disaster, too much focus on Lee-Duala Starbuck-Anders and their sorry relationships. This culminated in the horrible episode in which Starbuck supposedly dies.

I wouldn't be surprised that in the 4th season they find earth and the Cylons destroy it the way the writers are pissing away charactors right now. They've truely ruined everything they have built on in the first two seasons.

SG-1 however is the best damn show on TV, briliant movie idea turned into a well writen, record breaking 10 season series.
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Old 03-25-2007, 14:01 PM   #71 (permalink)
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Based on your question, which was: "The question is, what country benefits from there NOT being a pipeline transporting Turkmenistan and Kazakistan's oil to the world market??": in my opinion that implies Iran, because it would mean that it has to pass through Iran ... if anything. more leverage for the Iranians. You say, not Iran, then who? ...
The majority of Turkmenistan and Kazakistan's oil flows through Russia. Giving Russia political and economical power over those two countries.

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just a wild guess, ... TURKEY
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just kidding, anyways seeing that Taliban was on ISI's leash, u might be refering to that nation. Which however still has to pass the pipeline through its territory, which would make it pointless.
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You are absolutly right, in what you are saying and you have no argument from me, however, i was talking about the summer of 2001, when the relation between the US government and Talian was already soured on the issue. That was my point. I was not refering to few years back, to what led it to that. Though, I am very curious of whom according to you spilled the beans ...
I don't have any concrete evidence, just my own deductions. Although, the deaths of certain people have given some credence to my suspicions.
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I went and saw '300' last night with my wife. It's the typical "blood and gore"/action type movie with "some" historical accuracy. I didn't care for Miller's interpretation of the Persians as deformed. I would have expected a better representation of Xerxes than the one depicted. The ending was weak and wasn't indicative of what truly occurred.
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I went and saw '300' last night with my wife. It's the typical "blood and gore"/action type movie with "some" historical accuracy. I didn't care for Miller's interpretation of the Persians as deformed. I would have expected a better representation of Xerxes than the one depicted. The ending was weak and wasn't indicative of what truly occurred.
Again, it's an adaptation of Miller's graphic novels, and therefore not 100% historically accurate.
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Old 03-25-2007, 17:54 PM   #74 (permalink)
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The exaggerations and the farcical depictions of the Persians make more sense if you can see from the point of the story teller.
It being related by a Spartan soldier is more of a plot device than the central point of the film. I hardly think he knew about the political intrigues back home, for example. Because I'm subjected to maybe one and a half hours of it, it's justified that it modulates away from one man's account into that of the author's. It's what Snyder has presented as the film - he hasn't given consideration to alternative viewpoints, apart from the small possibility that he was being ironic in such instances as when they're on the battlefield between fights... "Haw, haw, aren't we so civilised... hang on, one of them's still alive! SPLAT!"

The possibility that there's supposed to be a major discrepancy between the Spartan retelling and the 'real' opinion is only a technical one. In the absence of any real positive evidence for it, I still think that the film is still very much pro-Spartan.

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Maybe not the Persians - it doesn't really matter who the enemy is in that film, it's just there to provide cannon fodder. Apart from the Cleopatra-on-her-barge-like scene in Xerxes' tent, there is very little real exposition on the Persians, unlike the Spartans.

What I'm thinking is that it's artistically childish to consistently characterise virtually all the antagonists - hey, every good film has antagonists (!) - as disfigured or monstrous, and to cast the good guys always with rippling abs. Seriously, what was the point of making the priests, the traitor and one of the women in the tent so afflicted with disease, and the camera lingering on those deformations?
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Dune and the Foundation series are so yesterday. Although the Robot series are awesome.

You cannot be a true sci-fi fan without intimate knowledge of Star Trek, especially the original series. SG1 is a bonus, just like Star Wars.
You will die for this heresy. The Foundation series are timeless. And Star Trek? It's okay, but not a vital part of the sci-fi world. Classic, yes, but not, well, foundational like Foundation is.

I really need to get a hold of a copy of Dune. Every time I find a book titled "Dune" there's always something else after it, Butlerian Jihad or some such. I simply can't find the original book. It's frustrating. Granted, I've never actually tried to buy it, but I might have to go against my miserly instincts this time.
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