snc128

AND VICE VERSA
the same situation is valid through Armenian photos,is not it?

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informant1

No matter how much facts the Turks provide, these facts will always be rejected by the Western World. After all, their foreign policy requires the rejection of such facts.
One could argue that the French committed genocide in Algeria. One could also argue that Israel is committing genocide in Palestine. Some might argue that genocide is being perpetrated as we speak in Iraq. Yet no one cares about the aforementioned, because the Western World never does “wrong”. It is always the “barbarian” Muslims in the Middle East! The barbarian “Muslims”, whose petroleum happens to fuel your “modern” and so-called “civilised” lives.
To my Turkish friends…don’t waste your time posting facts. They will fall on deaf ears! People are blinded by all the propaganda and pictures. Pictures which show human suffering, but not the actual victims. Let them “legislate” history according to their foreign policy needs. Let them run the show. Remember every empire has it starting point and ending point in history. It is the irony of life. No one cares about the actual prevention of human suffering. They all play the blaming game in a bid to extract the best advantage.
Let them claim that the Turks committed genocide against the Armenians. Let them claim what ever they want. The more they claim the more isolated the land locked Armenia will be. If they were truly concerned about human civilisation they would spend time on legislating laws for the prevention of such mishaps from occurring, rather than point the finger at others. Where was the League of Nations (todays United Nations) when the aforementioned events were occurring? Why didn’t the major powers of the world (who today is legislating history), intervene to prevent such events from occurring, if they were truly concerned about human suffering? Why are they not acting now in Darfur, Sudan or Irak? It seems that legislating about events which occurred 100 years ago, by a state which is today non-existent state is more beneficial to humanity, according to some egoistic hypocrites.
Belief what you want to believe, but remember all your allegations will fall on deaf ears too!
Oh also, It was the Ottoman Turks who saved the Sephardic Jewish population in Spain from the Spanish Inquisition not the US, British or French!

glyn

[quote=informant1;425434] Where was the League of Nations (todays United Nations) when the aforementioned events were occurring? Why didn’t the major powers of the world (who today is legislating history), intervene to prevent such events from occurring, if they were truly concerned about human suffering?

It was the winners of the Great War 1914-1918 that created the League of Nations to address those very fears. Lest you forget, the very same peoples that you are so ignorantly decrying. Whats your problem?

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Khan_Han

[quote=glyn;425458]Where was the League of Nations or the United Nations in Algeria, Azerbaijan, Darfur, Sudan or Somalia?? Where was the UN when innocent men women and children were mercilesly killed in Kosovo.

They were too busy collecting Albanian arms and promising the Albanians that they would keep them safe...but they did not act on those promises. They were all slaughtered in one night. Having no arms to protect themselves because they wrongly relied on the UN

CAN YOU PLEASE EXPLAIN TO ME WHY THE FOLLOWING PEOPLE ARE IN THE STATE THEY ARE IN. THE YEAR WAS 1999. WHY WEREN'T THESE PREVENTED? WHERE WAS THE WESTERN WORLD? PLEASE WAKE UP AND COME TO OUR SENSES. EVIL IS EVIL. YOU CANNOT POINT THE BLAME ON RELGION. WE SHOULD NOT BLAME IT ON RELIGION. PEOPLE WHO COMMIT THESE CRIMES HAVE NO RELIGION OR MORALS. LETS STOP WASTING TIME WITH LEGISLATION AIMED AT POLITICAL GAIN AND STRIVE FOR TRUE PEACE!!!!!

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snc128

I can understand you but can you pls remove these photos?
we may have members under 18.

glyn

[quote=KHAN_HAN;427697][quote=glyn;425458]

[b][size="4"][color="Red"]Where was the League of Nations or the United Nations in Algeria, Azerbaijan, Darfur, Sudan or Somalia?? Where was the UN when innocent men women and children were mercilesly killed in Kosovo.

They were too busy collecting Albanian arms and promising the Albanians that they would keep them safe...but they did not act on those promises. They were all slaughtered in one night. Having no arms to protect themselves because they wrongly relied on the UN

CAN YOU PLEASE EXPLAIN TO ME WHY THE FOLLOWING PEOPLE ARE IN THE STATE THEY ARE IN. THE YEAR WAS 1999. WHY WEREN'T THESE PREVENTED? WHERE WAS THE WESTERN WORLD? PLEASE WAKE UP AND COME TO OUR SENSES. EVIL IS EVIL. YOU CANNOT POINT THE BLAME ON RELGION. WE SHOULD NOT BLAME IT ON RELIGION. PEOPLE WHO COMMIT THESE CRIMES HAVE NO RELIGION OR MORALS. LETS STOP WASTING TIME WITH LEGISLATION AIMED AT POLITICAL GAIN AND STRIVE FOR TRUE PEACE!!!!!


I most strongly disagree with you. In my opinion the 2 worst evils in the world are IGNORANCE and RELIGION. Each keeps the other going. I see that you wish to blame the Western world for everything. Just us? Nobody else? We pay for more than our share of the UNs cost. Why? I'm not sure, as generosity is seen as weakness by the complaining rest.

snc128

[quote=glyn;427761][quote=KHAN_HAN;427697]ignorance is the worst enemy of the humanity but religion is not...Western is not the odd guilty of today's world situation,but It is neither innocent.dont forget,former successfulness of Western world based upon the other ppl's griefs,latter comes their endavour.

glyn

[quote=snc128;427801][quote=glyn;427761]Not entirely sure of what you mean here, but if you are suggesting the West only became developed and got rich at the expense of the rest of the world you are living in a self imposed cloud-cuckoo land - but never fear, a lot of people claim the same thing and live in that world too, so there must be solace in numbers.

Khan_Han

[quote=glyn;427803][quote=snc128;427801]I am not really taking sides here, just merely mentioning the neglect. Also, in this regard I blame the West because they constantly blame the East, rather than work together for a peaceful solution!! It's about bloody time everyone comes to there senses!

snc128

[quote=glyn;427803][quote=snc128;427801]I did not say anything completely like you had mentioned.just to enlighten you, I said West itself built His kingdom upon the vacant people's fears and sorrows (especially upon African colonialism).I do not deny that they did not struggle for this achievement.but robbers also has to work to steal.
about scientific developments, I can say that West did really a good work until this century.the information transfer which started with the Crusades have reached its peak point with Renaissance.
I would expect them to show the same effort for the peace.I do not want to generalize Western World as a whole.there were also good ones who tried to stop slavery.I am just against colonialism order and fundamentalism,racism which is resurrecting again in the West (and in the world).

you can be against religions.but mostly religions exist for spreading moral values between people.in my opinion,those who misunderstand and misexplain or try to make people to misunderstand the aim of religions may be the guilty ones.I mean,some wears those horse glasses consciously or unconsciously to make theirselves turn out to be in the right.
prejudices...

Simullacrum

i have my own view on religon, based on my own judgment, readings and understandaings. im neither a dis-beliver nor a hardended beliver.

mostly religions exist for spreading moral values between people

Why do we have to have the need to use religion as a means of spreading moral values as you so put forth..... Is the Human race that stupid, gullable, incompatant that it needs something to follow cause it is inept of understanding moral issues on its own behalf, and that it has to follow a way of thinking, of which was written by man many moons ago, and has been inturpretuted and changed manier times, by again man to suit ones own needs, desires, and ideals.

My morale values where 'given' down to me, by my parents, and have been built upon by my indvidual self, as a human being with a brain, (thats why we have one) i have had no need to turn to religion for them.

Religion as it stands now is a means to control the mases, its a means for human man kind not to be allowed to think for it self. It has become an opressor rather then a liborator. It has killed for its name sake.
It has become a money making system.
history has proven what religion is about.! And its being shown in all its mighty glory in the present just look around you.

Religion in its purest form, nothing wrong with it, it is the 'outside' involvement and manipulation of man that makes it the horride thing it has become..!

snc128

I do not wanna speak directly.somehow,I know you should not have ideas and do comments before having information.
another point,every individual is different than the others,whatever his/her religion,nationality is...life is so complex and perception types may change from person to person.I suggest everyone, who thinks each religious individual is almost the same , to think like Picasso or to learn fuzzy logic.as I had said earlier,generalization is an illness and each person can be considered as a different universe.

pathfinder

I am really bored to see all that propaganda made by armenians and those westerns cheated by armenians. hey listen to this you.
We are well aware of what plans west,usa those big imperialist countries have upon our heaven like country. This armenian propaganda is just one small part of plans of europens and other anti-türk countries. In fact no one ignores who suffered what in this world. If you are so sensitive about humanity why are not you making your voice heard about people especially Gagauz,Kırım Turks forced to move by cruelt Stalin to the cold steps os asia. Why do you ignore Turkmens in Iraq, kirkuk. They are being forced to leave their homelands. WHY?? because of petrol,natural gas and such reserves. Why don't you have any comment about SREBRENICA massacre carried out by Serbians.What about others in Balkan region, somali,other african countries. Who ruined Africa and why? we all know the answers to these questions. You want to make TÜRKİYE like a country in africa, so weak to be exploitted easily. To do this you have great plans and that armenian lie is just a small part of it.
Hey men we know what is what make sure of this...

glyn

[quote=pathfinder;430429]I am really bored to see all that propaganda made by armenians and those westerns cheated by armenians. hey listen to this you.

And I am really bored with those posters who go on and on about one topic and force others to see the chip on their shoulder.

Hey men we know what is what make sure of this...

What is this supposed to mean?

Adalwolf

I'd have to say the Ottomans. I don't know as much as I want to about the Ottomans, unfortunately.

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