deadkenny

As the article you have posted indicates, there is some argument that Hunnish was Turkic. Others would only classify it in the broader Altaic language grouping that includes the Turkic languages. However, please note that in English at least there is a big difference between Turk or Turkish and Turkic, Turkic being the point of my question. Atilla might have been Turkic but was definitely not Turkish.

Big K

Kenny click the link below

HUNMAGYAR.ORG - HUNGARIAN CULTURE AND HISTORY - MAGYAR MŰVELTSÉG ÉS TÖRTÉNELEM


Homeland of Turkic Nations

HUNMAGYAR.ORG - TURANIAN HISTORY

the word Turk and Turkic are the same. the word "Turkiye" means lands where Turks live.
Turk is a common name of all these central asian tribes.

Attila was Turkish and Turkic (which are the same). and the Huns (real name is Kuns) are Turks. we say "Hun Turkleri" means Turks of Hun.

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Big K

deadkenny

No, Turkish and Turkic are not the same thing, at least not the common usage of such in the English language. Attila may or may not have been 'Turkic', but he was not Turkish. Interestingly the connection with Hungarians / Maygars is also questionable, but if true would tend to contradict your claims of Turkish / Turkic origins of the Huns. Unless you're now claiming that Hungarians are also Turks.

"Turanian" is not the same thing as either Turkic or Turkish - it is yet a wider grouping.

Big K

Kenny,
the words does not matter, we have the same roots.

"the true world"......i dont know who is this true world!?

but i know something about Turks history, no matter what they say.

I am a Turk and i say you Attila and Huns are even more Turk/Turkic/Turkish/Turanian then Ottomans...

we are all brothers, the matter is Attila may not be a Oguz Turk but from an other Turk/Turkic/Turkish/Turanian tribe,

and he is a Turk/Turkic/Turkish/

deadkenny

Well, I guess that there's not much more to say, other than I disagree with you when you say that the particular terms (words) don't matter. It's the difference between providing correct vs. incorrect information. The 'Turkic' languages are part of the wider Altaic language group. Hungarian, Finnish and Estonian are part of the Finno-Ugric grouping. This concept of "Turanian" is in fact not well supported or defined, making it practically meaningless.

Big K

my mistake....poor ability to use English...sorry about that dude

words = Turk/Turkish/Turan etc...you sad this "Attila may or may not have been 'Turkic', but he was not Turkish" i wanted to say Turkic or Turkish are not that different infact.

In Turkey we use these words as synonymes means no big differences between us...yes you stated Fins, for exemple in Finnish they use "marş marş" which is exactly the same with modern Turkish means "go go go"...Fins and also Bulgars have a Turkic Roots...

deadkenny

Far be it from me to tell you who you should or shouldn't consider as your 'brothers'. However, it should be noted that the tenuous 'connections' that have been made between these various peoples are strictly linguistic. Even then, there is debate in academia regarding the relationships between various linguistic groups (e.g. the concept of Ural-Altaic is far from universally accepted). Linguists do not classify Finnish as a Turkic language in any case - the closest relationship that has any credibility is that both are part of a larger 'Ural-Altaic' language group - and even that is not a given. So when you talk about a 'group' such as Turan - it's not in the least bit culturally, racially or nationally homogenous. The 'group' is about as 'broad' as the term 'Indo-European'.

Big K

Kenny,

infact i am a linguist really graduated from French Philology.

In Finnish and Turkish, phonetically, grammarly and even too many words are quite similar my friend.

a very interesting exemple for you:

ay means in Turkish the moon and a month (the expression of 30 days)
which is the SAME in Finnish.

the Finnish has to be read as written...like Turkish...etc..

there are many other common points between Finnish and Turkish..

why i stated these? i dont try to make centroethnicism like Kansas sad. i never do this.

i wanted to show an alternative history and way of thinking. or i know i can not change your ideas or "convert you by sword"

i dont want to say we citizens of Turkiye are the desecndants of Huns, but to show you that we share the same roots...

Kansas Bear

Isn't it amusing how scared the turkish posters are of me on this forum? I post facts, backed by documentation from different individual sources, and in return I'm insulted. They're so focused on me, they miss all the other posts made about them.

Who is the best Turkic Leader?

AlpErTunga

Oh what an innocent man you are, Kansas Bear !

Boys; he must be a new Jesus Christ!

Or at least make him pope; his name would be Emanuel Innocent or something may be! Never mind. Let's be serious a bit.

KB;

YOU HAVE TO accept that; a nation cannot be completely bad or evil as well as cannot be completely good, angel.

But you always mention bad sides of Turkish nation for a couple weeks; even more you are filling your messages with lies.

I am researching Armenian claims in Turkish Military Archive. And I have reached and counted 3743 Turks killed by Armenian bands, 256 Armenian killed by Turkish bands, 0000000000 Armenians killed by Turkish Government! And I reach to a document which tells a decission of Turkish Court. I am sharing it:

After Ottoman Decission to Accept Armenian Deportation From Eastern Turkiye to Mediterranean Coasts and S.Eastern parts of Turkiye; an Armenian old woman, Dengir Fircaciyan, refused to leave her home. And the Governor Salih Bey forced her to leave her home. Then the woman brought a suit against to Governor Salih Bey. The decission of Turkish Court is shocking; The Governor, Salih Bey, was executed...

And you are talking about so-called genocide. Can this state commit a genocide? As a British commander said;

"You should fight against to brave Turks in order to believe in their unique humanism."

deadkenny

When a Turk posts on this board denying the Armenian genocide, it looks just like a neo-Nazi denying the extermination of the Jews. So you haven't found any documentation in the "Turkish Military Archive" documenting when the army marched Armenian men, women and childern into the wilderness and shot them? I'm not completely sure whether or not you're just a troll or if you're so deluded that you actually believe the garbage that you post here - and I suppose that you're free to post whatever garbage you choose to until the mods decide to ban you - however you're totally lacking in any shread of credibility at this point.

Big K

Kenny, where did we mentioned about this Armenian claims? we were talking about Attila and the Huns and etc. where did we (you or me) mentioned about Armenians?.

by the way the Armenian issue is an other topic which i can show you some documents about.

i've posted some to General Ray.

but i see that whatever i show you'll see them as garbage?

by saying these you prove that you know nothing about this issue except Armenian propaganda.

deadkenny

Your 'compatriot' AlpErTunga raised it.....

Well, ‘Armenian propaganda’ attested to by eyewitness accounts of a Prussian officer posted to the Ottoman Turkish army.

Big K

my friend and would you like me just to show you some eyewitness from Russian army, an officer of Russian army who fought against Ottomans. I can tell you other "attested" wiews..

or should i just scan and show you my gran mothers mother' s(grangranmother??) black/white photos in her old village near "Bayburt" a Turkish City near "Erzurum"

she was escaped from a mosque in which all of the muslim villagers burned by an Armenian Terrorist Band.

in fact she was not escaped, they 've let her go....because his father (an Ottoman Officer) was let those (once captured by Ottoman forces)Armenian terrorists go instead of executing them.

why did he do that? because one of these terrorists was his neighbours son...

we dont know exactly why they let her go but all the rest of village (womans, old ones, childs etc.) were burned in the villages mosque...

dont even tell anything about this Armenian Genocide lie...this is a very big lie made by British and Americans.

genocide is a thing,

relocating is another thing.

you dont live 800 years in harmony with the people which you want to kill...