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Reply With QuoteNever heard of a Swedish domination in Europe.Originally Posted by Andrey Egorov
Poltava was a very symbolic victory indeed for the modern westernized Russian state and the beginning of its expansion.
It's 300th anniversary of Battle of Poltava. In 8th July 1709 (new style) we ended Sweden domination in Europe and established ourself as empire. Followed by three centuries of glorious history of state but not nation it is the key event for history of Russian Empire.
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Never heard of a Swedish domination in Europe.
Poltava was a very symbolic victory indeed for the modern westernized Russian state and the beginning of its expansion.
We caught them on takeoff) They alredy had Norway, Finland, Denmark, all Baltic and Poland. Quite a few of Europe!
I heard swedish military was best at the time, but lacked strategy.
They just controled more or less the Baltic shores, but at the time they were clearly on the downward. And Peter the Great needed some space to build his capital. :PWe caught them on takeoff
I heard swedish military was best at the time, but lacked strategy.
Peter founded St.Petersburg in 1703, six years before. The place was perfect...
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And I can't call a battle where almost 100000 men took part minor or symbolic :P
France and Sweeden were allies at the time so I have to honour this.Peter founded St.Petersburg in 1703, six years before. The place was perfect...
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And I can't call a battle where almost 100000 men took part minor or symbolic :P
Even if its foundation was decided before, Saint petersburg became the capital after Poltava when the threat was mostly contained.
Symbolic, although we're arguing about semantics, because it showed that a Russian army could defeat a modern European army, one of the best of the times. Decisive? yes, even if the war lasted 12 more years.
I understood you wrong, sorry. Surely decisive and symbolic.
And again, you're right, St.Petersburg became capital in 1712.
They had quite a record of achievements at the time,but Karl XIIth strategic planning was weak.During both the war and campaign in Russia he let victory go away from his hands.He was a great tactical commander,but above that...We caught them on takeoff
I heard swedish military was best at the time, but lacked strategy.
Are there any celebrations to honor the victory?
I've never heard of Swedish domination of......anything!
As far as I know, nothing except couple of jingoist TV shows. A monument on Poltava Field will be shown and narrator will tell about Ukrainian ignorancy and chauvinism, outraged by glorification of Mazepa. May be they will translate "King's servant" movie. That's all.
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When our perils are past, shall our gratitude sleep? - George Canning
Strange how history turned where it was 300 yeas ago.Here nobody gives a damn about Poltava,yet it started a chain of events that led to our darkest century.It led to the Russo-Ottoman war of 1711 when Romanian principalities were Russian allies.The defeat encouraged the Turks to turn the Principalities into de facto subjects,with the Prince being named from Istanbul,little foreign policy etc...Not counting being the battlefield in the numerous wars of the 18th century between Russia,Austria and Turkey.
I noticed another strange thing while reading The Gulag Archipelago.There is quite a prophecy about Ukraine independence and the treatment it should have received from the central authority.
The Poltava was the high-point of the Great Nordic War, which got Peter I that Ivan Grozny could not pull off - window to Europe. It also brought my homeland under the Russian Empire. Looking from now it´s remarkable how the Swedish rule was seen by ordinary folks (meaning estonians, not the ruling class, Germans) as the ´Golden Age´.
Much of this is simply hot air, but Karl XII is very fondly remembered in folklore, the my land has several oak-trees supposedly planted by him, he visited farmer´s weddings, etc. etc.
German nobility got their privileges guaranteed by Czar (Swedish crown put them under pressure couple years before), so they switched sides.
It´s worth mentioning, that our late president Meri used to say that we are FSU, but not ´former Sov. Union´, but ´former Swed. Empire´
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I think if Poland seized the initiative and attacked Prussia at the end of Great Northern war they could have gotten East-Prussia and it would have settled their German tensions over the next century. Both countries were devastated btw, Prussia gave a lot of aid to Sweden during the war but had plague outbreak (according to wiki), overall I think it would have been possible.
Politically if war was declared prior to Prussian intervention against Sweden it would have created a dichotomy where by Russia would not be involved in the conflict while the overall dynamics would be dis-favorable for the Prussians. Also the aid Prussia was giving to Swedes could theoretically be used as a CB for it.
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Yea great, we got Russian domination instead. Gerroff mah land all of you!
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