Thread: The Greatest Empire

Originally Posted by Jay

In conculsion Mughals were assimilated with Hindustan, they lived, ruled and died in Hindustan, which makes them Hindustanis than Persians. A second generation Indian, Pakistani or Iranian in America call themselves as American, not as Indian or Pakistani or Iranian.

Just coz they spoke Persian doesnt mean that they are Persians, heck all of us write and speak in English, does that make us Englishmen??

As an Iranian i agree with you on this. In fact if we make a comparision between the Mughol and Mongole rule, when can also see that the Mongole themselves were assimilate in the empire of their subjects from Kublai Khan to the Hologo Khan and the Golden Horde.

Originally Posted by Boltonian

The British Empire was the greatest empire ever. To this day it remains the largest empire that the world has ever known. Here is a list of the 50 largest empires ever -

that doest mean much ... sense everything is relative. The defacto British empire was the largest and the mightiest in its time.

For example, the Roman Empire might be dwarf by the empire of caliphs, but we shouldnt take the days of glory of caliphate as our reference point just because we like it so.

Every empire should be compare the relative situation during their time IMHO

the Roman Empire might be dwarf by the empire of caliphs, but we shouldnt take the days of glory of caliphate as our reference point just because we like it so.

So we should make the Roman Empire larger than the British Empire just because we like it to be even though the British Empire is the largest ever?

You can't make the Roman Empire the greatest. The British Empire is the greatest until, in 500 or more years, someone surpasses.

It won't be America, it won't be Rome and it won't be Canada.

The British Empire is THE largest and THE greatest ever. Get the chip off your shoulder and stop denying it.

NO country nowadays, even the US, will surpass Britannia. No matter how cocky or arrogant you become. The greatest ever was the British Empire.

At its height the British Empire was almost 7 times bigger than the puny Roman Empire at ITS height and you want to use the Roman Empire as some sort of "reference point"?

The Roman Empire was tiny compared to Britannia.

Britain would have swallowed Rome and spat out the pips.

Originally Posted by HistoricalDavid

Even without nuclear weapons, its conventional force projection is many times more effective.

Come off it, you're infamous here (or were) for being a narrow-minded jingoistic Rule Britannia total non-historian.

When the British Empire was at its height we didn't have nuclear weapons because they hadn't even been invented. In 100 years' time a superpower will have weapons that the US doesn't have now because in 2007 they haven't been invented.

Saying "The US has thousands of nuclear weapons whereas the British Empire didn't" isn't good enough because NOBODY had nuclear weapons in 1921 when the British Empire was at its height because they weren't invented. And the US now probably won't have weapons that a superpower in 100 years' time will have.

And I'm not being jingoistic by saying that the British Empire is the greatest ever. I'm stating a fact and I've even shown you the 50 biggest empires ever, the British Empire being hnumber one. What can I do? Lie and say it was only number 32 even though it was number 1?

The British Empire was number one. In 2007 it remains the largest empire the world has ever known. It's not my fault. That's just how it is. Unless I get in a time machine and make the Romans rule Australia (not discovered until 1788) and North America (not discovered until 1492)

World's largest empires

British Empire - 36.6 million km² [1] (under King George V in 1921) (excludes Antarctic territorial claims)
Mongol Empire - 33.2 million km² [1] (under Khublai Khan in 1279) (excludes Northern Siberia)
Russian Empire - 22.8 million km² [2] (under Alexander III in 1895)
Spanish Empire - 19 million km² [1] (under King Phillip II)
Arab Empire - 13.2 million km² [1] (under the Umayyad Caliph Al-Walid I)
Qing Empire - 12 million km² [3] (under Emperor Qianlong).
French Empire - 12 million km² [1]
Portuguese Empire - 10.4 million km² [1]
American Empire - 10 million km² [4] (1898-1902 and 1906-1908)
Achaemenid Persian Empire - 7.5 million km² [5] (under Darius the Great)
Japanese Empire - 7.4 million km² [1] (during World War II)
Ming Empire - 6.5 million km² [2]
Han Empire - 6 million km² [2]
Ottoman Empire - 5.6 million km² [1]
Roman Empire - 5.6 million km² [1] (under Emperor Trajan)
Tang Empire - 5.4 million km² [2] (under Emperor Gaozong of Tang [6])
Macedonian Empire - 5.4 million km² [1] (under Alexander the Great)
Maurya Empire - 5 million km² [2] (under Ashoka the Great)
Mexican Empire - 4.7 millon km² [1]
Timurid Empire - 4.4 million km² [2]
Mughal Empire - 4 million km² [2]
Hunnic Empire - 4 million km² [2] (under Attila the Hun)
Seljuq Empire - 3.9 million km² [2]
Seleucid Empire - 3.9 million km² [1]
Italian Empire - 3.8 million km² (during World War II)
Dutch Empire - 3.7 million km² [1]
Nazi German Empire - 3.6 million km² [1] (during World War II)
Gupta Empire - 3.5 million km² [2] (under Chandragupta II)
Sassanid Persian Empire - 3.5 million km² [2] (under Khosrau I)
Ghaznavid Empire - 3.4 million km² [2]
Delhi Sultanate - 3.2 million km² [2]
Khazar Empire - 3 million km² [2]
Median Empire - 2.8 million km² [2]
Byzantine Empire - 2.7 million km² [2]
Chola Empire - 2.5 million km² [7] (under Rajendra Chola I)
Incan Empire - 2.0 million km²
Majapahit Empire - 1.5 million km² [8]
Neo-Assyrian Empire - 1.4 million km² [2]
Aksumite Empire - 1.3 million km² [2]
Srivijaya Empire - 1.2 million km² [2]
Frankish Empire - 1.2 million km² [2]
Harsha Empire - 1 million km² [2] (under Harsha Vardhana)
Egyptian Empire - 1 million km² [2]
Almoravid Empire - 1 million km² [2]
Khmer Empire - 1 million km² [2]
Akkadian Empire - 650,000 km² [9]
Pala Empire - 600,000 km² [10]
Nanda Empire - 600,000 km² [10]
Neo-Babylonian Empire - 500,000 km² [9]
Vijayanagara Empire - 360,000 km² [11]rld's largest empires

Originally Posted by Boltonian

So we should make the Roman Empire larger than the British Empire just because we like it to be even though the British Empire is the largest ever?

You can't make the Roman Empire the greatest. The British Empire is the greatest until, in 500 or more years, someone surpasses.

I am not suggesting Roman Empire is the greatest then British. All i am saying without insulting the imperial dignity of Britannia is that all empires should be compared to their time and era. .. and we should not ask which empire was the mightiest of all.

Originally Posted by Boltonian

The British Empire is THE largest and THE greatest ever. Get the chip off your shoulder and stop denying it.

NO country nowadays, even the US, will surpass Britannia. No matter how cocky or arrogant you become. The greatest ever was the British Empire.

you are calling me arrogant and cocky ... ??

Originally Posted by Boltonian

At its height the British Empire was almost 7 times bigger than the puny Roman Empire at ITS height and you want to use the Roman Empire as some sort of "reference point"?

i didnt use Rome as referance point, i merely gave an example .... anyways ....

Refrain from personal insults please gentlemen

^^ yes Sire