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    You cut the defense budget

    The Future Military: Your Budget Strategy

    The Pentagon has committed to $450 billion in reduced spending over the next 10 years, but may have to come up with a total of $1 trillion in cuts if Congress follows through with deeper reductions. Make your own plan to reduce the budget by choosing some of the most common, interesting or provocative cuts that have been proposed by various parties.
    The Future Military: Your Budget Strategy - Interactive Feature - NYTimes.com

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    I cut 101%
    101% of $450 billion goal

    Category
    Cuts
    Pct.
    Benefits
    $111
    24%
    Salaries
    $88
    19%
    Personnel
    $73
    16%
    Weapons
    $8
    2%
    Nuclear, Missile
    -
    -
    Operations, Maint.
    $174
    38%

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    I only Managed 65%
    Cutting 15% of ground forces
    Attrition of Pentagon Civilian staff
    Cutting the number of people based overseas.

    I have left long lead items off the chopping block. They are just as important as investing in R&D IMO.
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    I only cut 304 billion/67%

    Benefits 6.7 2%

    Salaries 16 5%

    Personnel 73 24%

    Weapons 46 15%

    Nuclear 43 14%

    Operations,Maint 120 39%



    The "All or nothing" choices are brutal. You should be able to cut some parts of programs without gutting the whole thing. Case in point, "close defense department elementary/secondary schools" When there are viable alternatives then cut. If not then the school should stay but these decisions must be case by case, not all or nothing.
    Last edited by bonehead; 13 Jan 13, at 23:16.
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    I did 118% by cutting troop levels. what exactly are the problems with cutting troop levels so much? I mean other then the fact you are simply firing people, I don't see how it can be that bad.
    all current weapons projects would be kept. but the main reason I did not cut anything else was simply lack of knowledge. So if someone would educate me on the subject I would be most
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    I did pretty good I suppose

    102% of $450 billion goal

    Benefits $78 17%

    Salaries $16 3%

    Personnel $73 16%

    Weapons $44 10%

    Nuclear, Missile $39 9%

    Operations, Maint. $208 45%
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    Horse puckey!!!!

    This freaking site ignores the primary cost - cut the fucking missions!!!!!
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    Your cuts
    $543billion
    121% of $450 billion goal

    CategoryCutsPct.
    Benefits $119 22%
    Salaries $16 3%
    Personnel $220 41%
    Weapons $51 9%
    Nuclear, Missile $39 7%
    Operations, Maint. $981 8%
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    Quote Originally Posted by wellman View Post
    I did 118% by cutting troop levels. what exactly are the problems with cutting troop levels so much? I mean other then the fact you are simply firing people, I don't see how it can be that bad.
    all current weapons projects would be kept. but the main reason I did not cut anything else was simply lack of knowledge. So if someone would educate me on the subject I would be most
    appreciative.
    There's a whole laundry list of problems with deep troop cuts, but to get you started:

    Because you'll wind up with 10 missions and only enough troops to cover 5 of them.
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    149% 669 Billion



    Category
    Cuts
    Pct.
    Benefits
    $295
    44%
    Salaries
    $88
    13%
    Personnel
    $73
    11%
    Weapons
    $8
    1%
    Nuclear, Missile
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    -
    Operations, Maint.
    $206
    31%

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    Quote Originally Posted by TopHatter View Post
    There's a whole laundry list of problems with deep troop cuts, but to get you started:

    Because you'll wind up with 10 missions and only enough troops to cover 5 of them.
    That I can live with...we prioritize.
    Sending troops into harms way without the training, materials, weapons, support, follow up care afterwards is where I draw the line. War isn't cheap and our troops are not disposable.
    Removing a single turd from the cesspool doesn't make any difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bonehead View Post
    That I can live with...we prioritize.
    Sending troops into harms way without the training, materials, weapons, support, follow up care afterwards is where I draw the line. War isn't cheap and our troops are not disposable.
    Cut pay and benefits for troops and increase combat pay. Our troops are not disposable but neither do they deserve the level of pay they get when not actually fighting. A married E-1 stationed at Ft Leonard Wood gets over $2700 a month in direct compensation plus another 6-800 a month in indirect compensation. $42000 a year in direct and indirect compensation, plus the GI Bill for an 18yo kid with no real skills or responsibilities... That is more than a lot of cops get paid and the cops face a lot more danger day in and day out. Its breaking our military budget.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zraver View Post
    Cut pay and benefits for troops and increase combat pay. Our troops are not disposable but neither do they deserve the level of pay they get when not actually fighting. A married E-1 stationed at Ft Leonard Wood gets over $2700 a month in direct compensation plus another 6-800 a month in indirect compensation. $42000 a year in direct and indirect compensation, plus the GI Bill for an 18yo kid with no real skills or responsibilities... That is more than a lot of cops get paid and the cops face a lot more danger day in and day out. Its breaking our military budget.
    Break that down for me.

    I'm getting different numbers.

    I'll also disagree with cops facing more danger day in and day out. Most cops will go their whole career without ever drawing a weapon.

    Its not the base pay thats killing the military budget. Its health care.
    Its called Tourist Season. So why can't we shoot them?

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    A soldier joins the service early in their life and puts in their 20 yrs, then starts to draw retirement - they might be > 40 years old, and then draw retirement pay and benifits for another 40 yrs. In civiliain life, retirement starts at 65 or so - most likely they'll only draw retirement for less than half the time. There's a big difference in how much they cost (and both are expensive). Can we afford it? I believe we'd need to make any changes going forward, it wouldn't be fair to break the contract already made with soldiers already in the system.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gun Grape View Post
    Break that down for me.

    I'm getting different numbers.
    base pay + separate rations + housing allowance (used Ft Leonard Wood)= direct compensations
    used average price of a civilian family health insurance plan to get an idea of indirect compensation.

    I'll also disagree with cops facing more danger day in and day out. Most cops will go their whole career without ever drawing a weapon.
    And outside of a combat zone most troops don't even see a weapon... I've got no problem boosting pay when the danger is actually present, but paying an 18yo kid better than his parents when he is stateside.... come on.

    Its not the base pay thats killing the military budget. Its health care.
    Its personnel costs overall. Base pay is part of the problem as is health care and other types of compensation.

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