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    Falklands nonsense again?

    Argentina launches naval campaign to isolate Falkland Islands - Telegraph


    Argentine patrol vessels have boarded 12 Spanish boats, operating under fishing licences issued by the Falkland Islands, for operating “illegally” in disputed waters in recent weeks.


    Argentine patrol commanders carrying out interceptions near the South American coast told Spanish captains they were in violation of Argentina’s “legal”blockade of sea channels to the Falklands.


    The warning has been backed up in a letter to Aetinape, the Spanish fishing vessels association from the Argentine embassy in Madrid warning boats in the area that “Falklands, South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands and adjoining maritime spaces are an integral part of the Argentine territory.”


    The confrontation strategy targetting foreign boats marks an escalation of tensions in seas that Duke of Cambridge, a Flight Lieutenant with the RAF, is set to patrol during a tour of duty last year.


    The Duke is to be deployed to the Falklands next February as part of a routine training duties. Commanders would face the dilemma of despatching the Royal to take part in an operations to monitor or contain the Argentine challenge.



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    President Cristina Kirchner has adopted a steadily more beligerent stance towards Britain’s South Atlantic possessions.

    A newly formed gathering of South American nations meeting in Venezeula backed Argentina’s sovereignty demands at the weekend.

    Argentina’s claim over the Falklands was backed by a newly formed block of South American and Caribbean countries, CELAC, on Saturday with unanimous approval. Mrs Kirchner used the last UN General Assembly meeting to put Argentina’s claims of sovereignty over the Falklands on a par with Palestinian claims to statehood.

    But it is the Falklands economic lifeline that has been most affected by Argentinian manoeurving.

    It announced permits were required by all ships using Argentine waters en route to the Falklands, South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands, all of which are UK controlled.

    Argentina declared vessels were “operating illegally” in the South Atlantic if they did not request permission to enter Argentine waters. The authorities declared their willingness “to put an end to all those illegal fishing activities”.

    The vessels, from Galicia, were boarded as they were making their way across the huge Rio de la Plata estuary, which separates Argentina and Uruguay, before off-loading their catches in Montevideo, Uruguay.

    Mrs Kirchner, 58, has also threatened to suspend a vital Falklands air link — the only one off the islands — which was established in a 1999 deal between the UK and Argentina unless Britain entered into talks leading to sovereignty negotiations.

    A Foreign Office spokesman said Britain had lodged an official complaint about the Argentine action. “We are aware that Argentina has recently challenged vessels transiting between the Falklands and the port of Montevideo,” the spokesman said. “The UK has protested to Argentina. We consider that it is not compliant with international law, including the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea.

    Mike Summers, a member of the Falkland Islands legislative assembly, said Argentina was trying to cut the Islands off from the South American mainland. “The Falkland Islands Government has no doubt about its right to issue licenses to foreign companies to fish in its waters,” he said. “There have been other difficulties in recent months with Falklands flagged vessels seeking to use South American ports; Argentina seeks to prevail on its neighbours to implement its foreign policy for it, by denying access to their ports for vessels doing business in the Falklands.”

    I really haven't been following this very much in recent times and was hoping someone else could enlighten me on what this all means. I know the Argentines and Brits have been pissing at each other the last 24 months or so about this and the Brits walked out on talks, but don't know where it will go from here.

    Where does the UK actually stand on defense here? I know next to nothing about the Argentine military but it seems they haven't upgraded an impressive amount, whereas the Royal Navy is going to be coming in with Tomahawks instead of Harriers this time.
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    I think there are Typhoons stationed there .


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    Methinks it's an election year in Argentina
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    Sounds like Argentina is cruising for another pasting by the British.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Repatriated Canuck View Post
    Sounds like Argentina is cruising for another pasting by the British.
    Time for us old timers to dust off our kit..a dirty dozen of us should just about sort it

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    Quote Originally Posted by tankie View Post
    I think there are Typhoons stationed there .
    Yes, but do they have more than 1 missile to share between the squadron?

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    Didn't they discover large oil deposits in the waters around the Falklands a couple years ago?
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    Quote Originally Posted by USSWisconsin View Post
    Didn't they discover large oil deposits in the waters around the Falklands a couple years ago?
    In a strange coincidence, yes they did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Parihaka View Post
    In a strange coincidence, yes they did.
    if its about oil..... its Bush's fault....
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    Quote Originally Posted by zraver View Post
    if its about oil..... its Bush's fault....
    Of course

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    So the Argentines need motivation to win the next Football World Cup.They'll be so pi$$ed at losing the war that nobody will stop them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zraver View Post
    if its about oil..... its Bush's fault....
    Actually, I'm just waiting for the usual suspects to turn up & tell us its Obama's fault.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ArtyEngineer View Post
    Yes, but do they have more than 1 missile to share between the squadron?

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    As one old salt has put it:

    "The Royal Navy can't do a lot about it
    the type 42 is knackered
    the type 45 has no missiles
    we do not have enough frigates
    we don't have sea harriers with beyond visual range missisles any more, the argies do.
    we don't have submarines that are fit for service.
    have we enough merchant ships to support the Royal Navy, no we haven't.
    The RAf harriers, sorry the harrier joint force is knackered
    RAF Transport is Knackered
    RAf air tankers are knackered
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    Anyway, apart from nuking the Argies the Poms are actually pretty well placed to defend the Falklands now. Last time the Argies landed 1200 troops by sea to defeat 1 company of RM's (the FIDF surrendered without a fight). The Argentine force was detected with a day's notice.

    In contrast now the Poms have nearly 600 personel in the Falklands and can fly down extra QRA troops to a full sized military airfield. The Argies only have upgraded Mirages and Skyhawks versus 5 Typhoons and unless a dozen of thier pilots are prepared to die to overwhelm the Poms, the Argentine Airforce isn't going anywhere near the place. The Poms also keep a destroyer down there and often a submarine to (they never say when), so and Argentine Naval action runs the risk of an early Belgrano. The Argies don't even have the amphibious capability that they had in 82 anyway, so getting the troops there would be hard for them. Basically without help from the likes of Chavez, the UK forces deployed make the operation to risky for them. Involve Chavez and the US comes down on the side of the UK.
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