Those racist comments were made by your President Bush, which shows exactly what he thinks of Muslims in the Middle East, since he referred to him that way. Secondly, the US being the strongest military power in the world, I am ashamed at our casualty figure. Of course, you would not hold the same compassion for the loss of US soldiers because you are not a compassionate American. So, that being said, your opinions on US soldier casualty loss does not count in my book.Originally Posted by smilingassassin
You previously requested links in support of evidence, so I would believe a public news conference by a military superior would be sufficient, along with a report of an inbedded news official that was on-site. However, we both know that if any testimonials of eyewitnesses does not coincide with your opinion, there is an alterior motive for you to find. You should have been a lawyer, since your stance on issues is always finding and staying in the loopholes, never admitting to truths or reality, no matter how controversial they are.
He doesn't believe an Iraqi is worth less than an American. He supports the independance of millions. Who isn't compassionate?
What of the reports that do not coincide with your opinion? You seem to have disregarded them, yet he notes the conflicting reports.
No man is free until all men are free - John Hossack
I agree completely with this Administration’s goal of a regime change in Iraq-John Kerry
even if that enforcement is mostly at the hands of the United States, a right we retain even if the Security Council fails to act-John Kerry
He may even miscalculate and slide these weapons off to terrorist groups to invite them to be a surrogate to use them against the United States. It’s the miscalculation that poses the greatest threat-John Kerry
I submit
Henry V: King's Monologue
So, if a son that is by his father sent about merchandise do sinfully miscarry upon the sea, the imputation of his wickedness, by your rule, should be imposed upon his father that sent him; or if a servant, under his master's command transporting a sum of money, be assailed by robbers and die in many irreconciled iniquities, you may call the business of the master the author of the servant's damnation. But this is not so. The king is not bound to answer the particular endings of his soldiers, the father of his son, nor the master of his servant; for they purpose not their death when they purpose their services. Besides, there is no king, be his cause never so spotless, if it come to the arbitrement of swords, can try it out with all unspotted soldiers. Some peradventure have on them the guilt of premeditated and contrived murder; some, of beguiling virgins with the broken seals of perjury; some, making the wars their bulwark, that have before gored the gentle bosom of peace with pillage and robbery. Now, if these men have defeated the law and outrun native punishment, though they can outstrip men, they have no wings to fly from God. War is his beadle, war is his vengeance; so that here men are punished for before-breach of the king's laws in now the king's quarrel. Where they feared the death, they have borne life away; and where they would be safe, they perish. Then if they die unprovided, no more is the king guilty of their damnation than he was before guilty of those impieties for the which they are now visited. Every subject's duty is the king's, but every subject's soul is his own. Therefore should every soldier in the wars do as every sick man in his bed -- wash every mote out of his conscience; and dying so, death is to him advantage; or not dying, the time was blessedly lost wherein such preparation was gained; and in him that escapes, it were not sin to think that, making God so free an offer, he let him outlive that day to see his greatness and to teach others how they should prepare.
Chimo
Was he refering to Muslims, or was he refering to terrorists or Bathists?
There is a difference...
Yes you have stated many times already that I am a bigot and a war monger, therefor I'm not surprises you'd lump in un-compassionate in there, however your assessment is AGAIN wrong. You have no idea how I feel about those troops dieing over there, when my own country doesn't send troops to at least lighten the load somewhat, why?, because Canada has tons of Self preservationalists like you to distort the truth.
It saddens me to see France and Germany more conserned about their pride than the lives of inocent Iraqi's and 18/19 year old American G.I.'s losing their lives in the most important point in history we have ever known. Iraq has a chance to reform itself, like Turkey did after WW1, and with it the rest of the middle east and they do nothing.
You want to talk about casualty's, if it were any other Military in the world over there right now the casualty rate would be much higher. The fact remains that what you know of war is what you learned in hollywood, sorry dear the bad guys don't miss and the good guys don't have a clean uniform all the time. You also don't know the true nature of the enemy we are facing, they blend in with civilians and partake in sneak attacks, can you pick out a fighter dressed as a civilian in a crowd?
You want to talk about how the U.S. military breaks the rules?, the Iraqi insurgents smash the rule book and yet like "Hanoi" Jane Fonda you pray that they drive out your fellow Americans and cry holy havoc when they come back in bodybags.
I wait for ALL the facts, before coming to a conclusion, you on the other hand, already having your opinion pre-determined and salivating at the chance to boot Bush the war monger, jump on the first Juicy morsel only to have it evaporate into nothingness.
I find this rather funny, I guess I can add Lawyer to your list of pre-missconceptions of me.
Last edited by smilingassassin; 01 Nov 04, at 00:28.
Office of Engineers:
Thank you for showing me the way to look beyond my guilt of these fallen soldiers. Your magnificant post brought back what I had already learned in my Christian faith....it was just hidden and buried by my weakness of guilt. If my feelings of misgivings are God's will, then so be it. Good will prevail the evil.
Since your posts with me are usually in the defensive, it is hard for me to even begin to perceive how you feel about anything in my arguments.
Really? You seem to be up on speed in which ones are fact and which ones are fiction.
Since yours posts never state facts, or supported information, most of your replies are opinionated. I never have nothing more to argue with you than an opinion, or shooting in the dark as we say, which is comparable to a dance in a courtroom with an ambulance chaser.
We cannot do Iraq. At least not now, not for another 2 years. We're exhausted. The last Haiti mission, we had to strip the schools. We had to bring our people home to retrain, to requalify. We had to bring our equipment home to fix, to repair, to put back into working order.
We've done more than our share. We're in Yugoslavia 6 years too long. We've over-committed to Afghanistan (and let's face it, we're doing a job the Americans are way too busy to do but needs to be done).
As much as the Americans want us in Iraq, we have to do alot of repairing of both men and machine before we could.
Chimo
Boys its a matter of 48 hours now! bush the bible faagot will be thrown out, and our involvement in this highly unpopular war will end!
Yeeterday we lost 8 of our young men! This son of a biitch Bush doesn't give a damn if 8 died or 800!I am sorry to say this that they died for god-damn nothing!
Bush has had his chance to do his part in making our country safe for us, and in all honesty after seeing that baastard Osama yesterday i felt sick to my stomach and it was a vindication that bush has failed in his primary obligation to us as our president! his number one priorty is to protect us and the baastard who killed 3000 innocent ppl walks around like a free man!!
There ought to be a god-damn law to throw out an incompetent administration once we all see that it ain't working!
our God-damn constitution needs to be ammended!
Misspelling the curses on purpose doesn't make it right. Stop with the insults. If you can't post without them, don't bother.
No man is free until all men are free - John Hossack
I agree completely with this Administration’s goal of a regime change in Iraq-John Kerry
even if that enforcement is mostly at the hands of the United States, a right we retain even if the Security Council fails to act-John Kerry
He may even miscalculate and slide these weapons off to terrorist groups to invite them to be a surrogate to use them against the United States. It’s the miscalculation that poses the greatest threat-John Kerry
Is the President a Pathological Liar?
Bush's unhealthy relationship with reality
by David Corn
It was a set-up question. Conservative radio talk-show host Michael Medved was trying to bait me, to push me into saying something so out of whack about the commander in chief that I would destroy my own credibility before the audience of his nationally syndicated show. It was a ruse I致e become quite familiar with in recent weeks, since I published a book demurely titled The Lies of George W. Bush: Mastering the Politics of Deception. In scores of media interviews, right-wing hosts have pressed me to pronounce Bush the all-time biggest SOB-of-a-liar in the White House and essentially accuse him of being a psycho. I have resisted the invitations, choosing to stick to my just-the-facts case that Bush has misled the public on a host of issues ・the war in Iraq, his tax cuts, global warming, Social Security, his own past and more. The goal of these interlocutors is to dismiss any harsh critique of Bush as nothing more than angry-left name-calling. I obviously believe Bush has lied often and consistently about grave matters, but I have shied away from labeling Bush 菟athological・and the like.
Now I wonder about that.
What forced this reconsideration was a speech Bush delivered in late November to several thousand troops at Butts Army Air Field in Fort Carson, Colorado. On this occasion, Bush served up the usual rah-rah about the war on terrorism. But as he was hailing the U.S. military, he remarked, 展orking with a fine coalition, our military went to Afghanistan, destroyed the training camps of al Qaeda and put the Taliban out of business forever.・/P>
Out of business forever?
That was a false statement. Days before Bush痴 speech, a U.S. helicopter crashed near Kabul, and five American soldiers were killed. These troops were hunting Taliban remnants. Two days before the speech, a rocket was fired at the Intercontinental Hotel in Kabul; Taliban insurgents were the prime suspects. On November 16, a U.N. aid worker was assassinated, apparently by the Taliban. In Kandahar, the Taliban was threatening to harm Afghans who participated in local elections.
None of this has been secret, even if events in Afghanistan receive less media coverage than the Laci Peterson case. In recent weeks, a stream of news reports has noted that the Taliban is on the rise and mounting an increasing number of attacks. These assaults have impeded much-needed reconstruction projects. In mid-November, a U.N. mission reported that the Taliban attacks were endangering democracy in Afghanistan.
What then could account for Bush痴 truth-defying assertion about the Taliban? After all, it was a statement ridiculously easy to disprove. (The Bush bashers of Moveon.org immediately sent out a mass e-mail citing this remark as further evidence that Bush is a misleader.) Was Bush really trying to hornswoggle the troops and the American people? In a way. I assume that had he bothered to think about this line, he probably would have realized that it was inaccurate and that there was no reason to claim the Taliban was stone-cold dead when he could have truthfully declared that the U.S. military (under his command) and its Afghan allies had routed the Taliban. It was not as if Bush said to himself, Aha! I know what I値l do. I will boast that I eliminated the Taliban ・even though anyone who follows this stuff knows a Taliban resurgence is under way ・and fool people into believing I am winning the war on terrorism.
Bush was more likely engaged in the deceit of triumphalism ・ignoring facts and saying whatever sounds good to juice up the public. It was hype, extreme rhetoric, utterly divorced from events on the ground. This statement was a report from Planet Bush, not the world as it exists ・a demonstration of Bush痴 penchant to embrace (and peddle) self-serving fantasy over the obvious truth.
The dishonesty underlying the Taliban line was transparent. In the same speech, Bush also practiced (yet again) a more nuanced form of dissembling. He told the crowd that the war on terrorism began with 9/11, and that 努e will not rest until we bring these committed killers to justice. These terrorists will not be stopped by negotiations, or by appeals to reason, or by the least hint of conscience . . . We must, and we will continue to, take the fight to the enemy.・So far so good: The terrorists who mounted the 9/11 attacks are bad and must be defeated. Then Bush distorted the picture: 典errorists need places to hide, to plot and to train, so we池e holding their allies, the allies of terror, to account.・And he cited Afghanistan and Iraq.
The implication was that somehow Iraq had afforded direct assistance to the people who attacked the United States on September 11, 2001. But there has been no proof that the mass-murdering perps of 9/11 used Iraq to hide, plot or train. Even though Bush conceded in September that there was 渡o evidence・tying Hussein to 9/11, he still endeavors to draw a straight line from the 9/11 evildoers to Iraq.
He displayed a similar disingenuousness during his surprise, 150-minute-long Thanksgiving Day visit to the American troops at the Bob Hope mess hall at the Baghdad airport. 添ou are,・he told the GIs, 電efeating the terrorists here in Iraq, so that we don稚 have to face them in our own country.・That comment ・which Bush had said previously ・sure seemed designed to create the impression that the war in Iraq is about beating back al Qaeda, the only terrorists Americans have had to face in their 登wn country.・In the weeks after Baghdad fell, reports out of Iraq raised the possibility that anti-American jihadists linked to or motivated by al Qaeda were pouring into Iraq to do battle with the United States. But a week before Bush told the troops they were battling 鍍errorists・in Iraq who might otherwise be gunning for their loved ones on the streets of America, two of Bush痴 top commanders in Iraq ・Major General Charles Swannack Jr. and Major General David Petraeus ・said that they had seen little sign that a significant number of al Qaeda loyalists or wannabes had flocked to Iraq. The enemy they are facing, the pair asserted, were mainly Baathist remnants. And there is no reason to believe these murderous thugs would be planning raids on domestic U.S. targets if the U.S. military were not chasing after them in Iraq.
So Bush tells us the ongoing war in Iraq is a strike against the forces that hit America on 9/11 and would do so again (were it not for the invasion of Iraq), and he proclaims the Taliban extinct. None of this is supported by the readily available information provided by the media or Bush痴 own military. Making such melodramatic and misleading claims may or may not be pathological, but it certainly isn稚 a sign that Bush has a healthy relationship with reality.
Now, doesn't this illustrate the point that the invasion of Iraq, considering they didn't pose an immediate threat, was hastened to say the least? The war on terror, originating in Afghanistan, wasn't over just because the Taliban were ousted. Why didn't Bush maintain his focus on Afghanistan? Maybe this was Kerry's point when he said, "Wrong war, wrong place, wrong time."We've done more than our share. We're in Yugoslavia 6 years too long. We've over-committed to Afghanistan (and let's face it, we're doing a job the Americans are way too busy to do but needs to be done).
"And a political candidate who jumps to conclusions without knowing the facts is not a person you want as your Commander-in-Chief." - George W. Bush - October, 2004.
He voted to go to war with Iraq. Anything else is political rhetoric.
No man is free until all men are free - John Hossack
I agree completely with this Administration’s goal of a regime change in Iraq-John Kerry
even if that enforcement is mostly at the hands of the United States, a right we retain even if the Security Council fails to act-John Kerry
He may even miscalculate and slide these weapons off to terrorist groups to invite them to be a surrogate to use them against the United States. It’s the miscalculation that poses the greatest threat-John Kerry
I can only speak about Canadian defence policies. I cannot comment on events which were susbequently denied to us because we would not participate and thus, did not have a need-to-know. I can tell you that the CF had decided that Iraq was justified enough to offer up the 2nd Canadian Mechanized Brigade Group. Saddam's past actions at stupidity and 11 Sept demonstrated thinking outside the box gave Saddam enough hints to try something else. I, and the Chiefs, had no doubt that Saddam would try something again and that was strategically intolerable.
This being all said, Parliment and not National Defence Headquarters make foreign policy. Parliment judged that without UN approval, we would not particiapate in Iraq. Rightly or wrongly, we obey Parliment.
Chimo
Dude we are losing this war on terror because of this guy! 'overextended'? My friend having spent close to 200 billion on this war of terror with Osama smilling in our faces and commenting on our elctions is a god-damn outrage!
Bush is a pathoogical liar, he has accomplished nothing in the 3 years since his sorry ass came to the white house! osama is alive and threatening. And as the former CIA analyst on Nightline yesterday pointed out that Al-qaeda's cadres have literally swollen a thousand fold since 9-11! He has millions ready to die for him! We squadered our chance under his pathetic and decietful leadership!
If God-forbid this idotic Bush is re-elected he'l totally destroy us!
Dude we are losing this war on terror because of this guy! 'overextended'? My friend having spent close to 200 billion on this war of terror with Osama smilling in our faces and commenting on our elctions is a god-damn outrage!
Bush is a pathoogical liar, he has accomplished nothing in the 3 years since his sorry ass came to the white house! osama is alive and threatening. And as the former CIA analyst on Nightline yesterday pointed out that Al-qaeda's cadres have literally swollen a thousand fold since 9-11! He has millions ready to die for him! We squadered our chance under his pathetic and decietful leadership!
If God-forbid this idotic Bush is re-elected he'l totally destroy us!
I can't argue with your passion, that much is certain. I just have a hard time understanding what the big rush was all about? In retrospect, I ask, was rushing to war with Saddam worth the price we are paying? He did not have WMDs. He had an impotent military. Iraq was not an AQ hotbed. Because of our rush to war against the UN and vast world opinion we now face the financial burdon of reconstruction alone. If we had excercised some patience and focused our resources on the war on terror, in time perhaps we could have garnished more support for our actions. I can't see how anyone can argue the fact that the US has lost a ton of credibility.
"And a political candidate who jumps to conclusions without knowing the facts is not a person you want as your Commander-in-Chief." - George W. Bush - October, 2004.
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