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    Religious Rights are being respected at Gitmo

    Claims and Counter-Claims on Qur'an: The Glaring Omission of Media Reporting

    by Sean Osborne, Military Affairs Expert, Senior Analyst

    27 May 2005: The reporting by the main-stream media about what might or might not have occurred at Guantanamo has obscured the honest-to-God truth about the American way and that we practice what we preach, specifically as it relates to our constitutional guarantee of Freedom of Religion.

    # Not one of these illegal enemy combatant detainee's who came from Afghanistan had a Qur'an in his possession when captured.

    # A brand new Qur'an in the specific, native language of each individual was provided to each "enemy combatant".

    Furthermore:

    # Each illegal enemy combatant detained at Guantanamo is given three nutritious halal meals (culturally-appropriate and in accordance with Islamic dietary law) per day. The meals include all optional condiments.

    # Each illegal enemy combatant detainee receives Muslim feast meals at special times in accordance with Muslim feasts and holy periods during the year.

    # Each illegal enemy combatant detainee has unrestricted access to Muslim Imams and religious instruction.

    # Each illegal enemy combatant detainee has a Quibla, a large green and white sign in his cell which points toward Mecca.

    # Each illegal enemy combatant detainee hears Islamic loudspeaker calls to prayer five times daily.

    # Each illegal enemy combatant detainee received a brand new Muslim prayer cap.

    # Each illegal enemy combatant detainee received a brand new prayer rug.

    # Each illegal enemy combatant detainee received brand new Islamic prayer beads. Each illegal enemy combatant detainee received Islamic holy oil.

    # Each illegal enemy combatant had ALL of this done and paid for him at US taxpayer expense and this is far, far in excess of requirements delineated by Geneva Convention Cat. III protocols on the treatment of Prisoners of War. Why is none of this information coming forth from the mainstream media?

    America is overwhelmingly a Christian nation, and there has been not one word of taxpayer protest concerning the above facts, which are in essence a glaring omission of the first order by the hate-America first mass media of this country and the world at large.

    ©Copyright 2005 Sean Osborne, Northeast Intelligence Network; Reprints permitted with proper citation and link

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    Most of these points, if not all, aren't even a requirement. Maybe these extra freedoms are the problem...
    No man is free until all men are free - John Hossack
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    even if that enforcement is mostly at the hands of the United States, a right we retain even if the Security Council fails to act-John Kerry
    He may even miscalculate and slide these weapons off to terrorist groups to invite them to be a surrogate to use them against the United States. It’s the miscalculation that poses the greatest threat-John Kerry

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    Quote Originally Posted by Confed999
    Most of these points, if not all, aren't even a requirement. Maybe these extra freedoms are the problem...
    Include the story about a detainee being locked in a air conditioned room and thought he was being tortured with a blast of cold air?

    Heard that these things get taken away if the illegal combatants don't behave. And if the Gitmo staff wanted to be mean they could just take an unruly detainee and let him run loose in Cuba, see how far he gets before Castro's flunkies catch 'em.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lunatock
    Include the story about a detainee being locked in a air conditioned room and thought he was being tortured with a blast of cold air?
    Now that's intelligence!
    "Above all, we must realize that no arsenal, or no weapon in the arsenals of the world, is so formidable as the will and moral courage of free men and women. It is a weapon our adversaries in today's world do not have."
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    You can all convince yourselves that people are treated fairly at camp xray, but the truth is that people are being mentally tortured and illegally imprisoned

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    Quote Originally Posted by HOKUM
    You can all convince yourselves that people are treated fairly at camp xray, but the truth is that people are being mentally tortured and illegally imprisoned


    You can convince yourself that people are being mentally tortured and illegally imprisoned, but the truth is people are being treated fairly.

    <<Pats himself on the back for making a thoroughly convincing argument. [/sarcasm]
    "Above all, we must realize that no arsenal, or no weapon in the arsenals of the world, is so formidable as the will and moral courage of free men and women. It is a weapon our adversaries in today's world do not have."
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    These people didnt crash planes into buildings, most of them cant really be labelled as criminals, unless opposing America can be called a crime! They should at least be treated as POWs

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    Quote Originally Posted by HOKUM
    These people didnt crash planes into buildings, most of them cant really be labelled as criminals, unless opposing America can be called a crime! They should at least be treated as POWs
    Many of them were caught in the act of attacking American or allied forces in Afghanistan, and the others were caught in the act of aiding anti-American forces.

    Either one is a capital offense worthy of death.

    It's interesting that you put a big smiley there, however.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Praxus
    Many of them were caught in the act of attacking American or allied forces in Afghanistan, and the others were caught in the act of aiding anti-American forces.

    Either one is a capital offense worthy of death.

    It's interesting that you put a big smiley there, however.
    The Smile was more sarcastic, but yes they were caught fighting american troops
    (who were invading their country) and are too dangerous to release. This does not justify subjecting them to hours of white noise and various other unpleasant daily routines, they dont deserve to be treated this way

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    Quote Originally Posted by HOKUM
    These people didnt crash planes into buildings,
    Neither did UBL.

    most of them cant really be labelled as criminals,
    Being a member of al Qaeda or any other international terror organization is a crime.

    unless opposing America can be called a crime!
    Engaging in a criminal conspiracy to murder American citizens is not just "opposing America"

    They should at least be treated as POWs
    Why? When you live outside of the laws of war you no longer deserve to be protected by them.
    "Above all, we must realize that no arsenal, or no weapon in the arsenals of the world, is so formidable as the will and moral courage of free men and women. It is a weapon our adversaries in today's world do not have."
    "The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'"

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    Quote Originally Posted by HOKUM
    The Smile was more sarcastic, but yes they were caught fighting american troops
    (who were invading their country) and are too dangerous to release.
    Many of them weren't defending their country.

    This does not justify subjecting them to hours of white noise and various other unpleasant daily routines, they dont deserve to be treated this way
    Yes they do. We need information they have to save American lives.
    "Above all, we must realize that no arsenal, or no weapon in the arsenals of the world, is so formidable as the will and moral courage of free men and women. It is a weapon our adversaries in today's world do not have."
    "The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leader
    You can convince yourself that people are being mentally tortured and illegally imprisoned, but the truth is people are being treated fairly.

    <<Pats himself on the back for making a thoroughly convincing argument. [/sarcasm]
    LOL :)
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    He may even miscalculate and slide these weapons off to terrorist groups to invite them to be a surrogate to use them against the United States. It’s the miscalculation that poses the greatest threat-John Kerry

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    Leader, you are trying to justify daily torture and for many there is no end in sight. Granted some are terrorists or insurgents and they have information that can help destroy the terrorist networks. However I am sure they have all snapped and given all that they know, yet the hellish conditions continue

    These people are far from innocent but still dont deserve to be treated this way

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    Quote Originally Posted by HOKUM
    These people are far from innocent but still dont deserve to be treated this way
    What? "white noise and various other unpleasant daily routines"? Doesn't seem like punishment enough to me.
    No man is free until all men are free - John Hossack
    I agree completely with this Administration’s goal of a regime change in Iraq-John Kerry
    even if that enforcement is mostly at the hands of the United States, a right we retain even if the Security Council fails to act-John Kerry
    He may even miscalculate and slide these weapons off to terrorist groups to invite them to be a surrogate to use them against the United States. It’s the miscalculation that poses the greatest threat-John Kerry

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    Quote Originally Posted by HOKUM
    Leader, you are trying to justify daily torture and for many there is no end in sight. Granted some are terrorists or insurgents and they have information that can help destroy the terrorist networks. However I am sure they have all snapped and given all that they know, yet the hellish conditions continue
    Three full meals a day, free medical treatment, and the freedom to pray to their invisible boogy man is hellish to you?

    WOW

    On top of this, you have no evidence that they have given up all they know. They are willing to commit suicide yet you think they won't hide anything?

    These people are far from innocent but still dont deserve to be treated this way
    Why?

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