Intolerance From The Left

**mudwhistle** · 20th September 2008 01:09

Originally Posted by HistoricalDavid

Well done, mudwhistle, on showing us all how to stay on-topic.

"Barack Hussein Obama is a Madrassa-educated radical Muslim bent on destroying America" chain e-mails. Fox ran a version of that - and Fox hardly has the same level of influence as Lindsay Lohan, Jeremiah Wright.
GOP congressman calls Obama 'uppity'. Again, a little more serious than Hollywood celebrities speaking out against McCain.
Obama is an elitist. Completely unlike every other presidential candidate in history, who all had very modest bank accounts before, during and after their attempts or presidencies. Maybe it had something to do with the bitterness comment, though of course few stopped to see whether or not that was true. Again, a little more serious than Hollywood celebrities speaking out against McCain.
Confusing Obama with Osama, and saying that ideally both would be killed. I dunno whether it's grounds for a Secret Service investigation... but definitely a sacking at Fox. Again, a little more serious than Hollywood celebrities slandering McCain.
Baby mama comment. Another sack-worthy comment. Again, a little more serious than Hollywood celebrities slandering McCain

All those are off the top of my head, i.e. someone who has nowhere the daily exposure to US politics that you guys do, and directed at Obama.

Ooh, another one from my YouTube travails. This time they apologise for it. YouTube - Fox News' E.D. Hill Apologizes for "Terrorist Fist Jab"

Oh and concerning your (unsourced, gosh!) "99.9% of intolerance comes from the left!" comment; Bill O'Reilly alone probably accounts for more than 0.1% considering his viewership figures.

So you think everything you mentioned came directly from Fox News?

Osama..Obama....and so-on?

I think you need to watch The View or MSNBC if you think Fox is being intolerant.

**HistoricalDavid** · 20th September 2008 01:22

Originally Posted by mudwhistle

So you think everything you mentioned came directly from Fox News?

I didn't say anything of the sort. Now that you mention it, yes, it's quite funny they came from America's biggest cable news network. But it is irrelevant nonetheless. dalem's original challenge read thus:

"So what are some examples of conservative "attack plus slander" we could discuss and compare to demonstrated liberal intolerances?"

Well I provided the examples. By extension he wanted to discuss and compare. Well, follow this:

Osama..Obama....and so-on?

Implying that it would be great were a presidential candidate taken out like the world's most infamous terrorist? On America's biggest cable news network?

That's not just intolerant, it's not just sick to the bone that you want to kill someone for disagreeing with you, it's probably time for a chat with the men in black.

I think you need to watch The View or MSNBC if you think Fox is being intolerant.

Humour me. Y'know, give me the benefit of the doubt. Give me an example which matches the severity and influence of the implied assassination. All it takes is to post a link. I'm sorry, I'm a pissant.

**gunnut** · 20th September 2008 01:51

Originally Posted by HistoricalDavid

IImplying that it would be great were a presidential candidate taken out like the world's most infamous terrorist? On America's biggest cable news network?

That's not just intolerant, it's not just sick to the bone that you want to kill someone for disagreeing with you, it's probably time for a chat with the men in black.

You're right. That's very intolerant. And it came from Ted Kennedy. Teddy called him "Osama...Obama" once.

**mudwhistle** · 20th September 2008 02:20

Originally Posted by HistoricalDavid

I didn't say anything of the sort. Now that you mention it, yes, it's quite funny they came from America's biggest cable news network. But it is irrelevant nonetheless. dalem's original challenge read thus:

"So what are some examples of conservative "attack plus slander" we could discuss and compare to demonstrated liberal intolerances?"

Well I provided the examples. By extension he wanted to discuss and compare. Well, follow this:

Implying that it would be great were a presidential candidate taken out like the world's most infamous terrorist? On America's biggest cable news network?

That's not just intolerant, it's not just sick to the bone that you want to kill someone for disagreeing with you, it's probably time for a chat with the men in black.

Humour me. Y'know, give me the benefit of the doubt. Give me an example which matches the severity and influence of the implied assassination. All it takes is to post a link. I'm sorry, I'm a pissant.

Unlike many of the other channels Fox News doesn't just report the news that they feel is fit to report, but all of the news. The sources you spoke of were not Fox News. Fox isn't in the business of making news like some other channels do.

Hosts on The View tend to talk negatively against Christians.

Whoopi Goldberg wondered if Gov. Sarah Palin as VP wasn't a violation of the separation of church and state.....meaning that no Christian has the right to work in our government.

And what about her statement that a strict constitutionalist judge might mean she would have to go back to slavery.
YouTube - Whoopi to McCain: Do I have to worry about slavery again?

This statement was willfully ignorant and showed a form of bigotry towards people on the right.

More pearls of wisdom from Whoopi and Joy Behar:

YouTube - The View Get Heated Over Sarah Palin
YouTube - Bill O'Reilly and Joy Behar clash on "The View"
YouTube - Laura Ingraham versus Whoopi and Joy on the View
YouTube - Whoopi Goldberg mocks John McCain being a POW.

**mudwhistle** · 20th September 2008 02:59

And let's hear some of Bill Maher's tolerance for small towns and the mayors that run them, Hockey Moms, or Governors of states that don't have any black people..

"Alaska......are you kidding me?"

YouTube - Bill Maher about Sarah Palin

**dalem** · 20th September 2008 03:04

Maher is a rather low-class troll of a man.

-dale

**dalem** · 20th September 2008 03:05

Originally Posted by astralis

dale,

oh man, when i saw that remark i looked left and right- there's a LOT of female O-6s here whom if they saw that would make you their wailin' b****!

'Cuz they can't accept the reality of their inability to accept reality.

-dale

**dalem** · 20th September 2008 03:09

Originally Posted by crooks

Ah you must know what I mean - take McCain's recent ad (America's nasty presidential election | America not quite at its best | The Economist) stating Obama once backed a bill that would give kindergarten children comprehensive sex education. this seemed to bw a distortion: the bill Mr Obama backed provided for age-appropriate sex education, and was intended to protect children from sex offenders.

Without the exact text of the ad in front of me (I am youtubeless here at work) I cannot defend the specifics. From the transcripts I've already read McCain's ad stuck to the letter of the bill.

Lipstick on a pig etc..

How is that an attack by conservatives?

Conservatives are aggressive, and will slander the enemy as much as possible - it's not a bad thing, nor a particularly good thing, it's just tactics.

American Liberal tactics generally do seem to be to mooooaaan until someone listens - again, politically I'd imagine it's just a tactic, regardless of what people's personal views on it must be.

Examples examples examples. There is mudslinging, in which all sides engage, and their is censorship, stifling of speech, and actual violence, which is 99.9% perpetrated by the left against conservatives.

-dale

**pate** · 20th September 2008 03:57

Ah, Blarney. A great place to visit in old Eire... ANy stane wit great powers is best approached wit caution. Uther learned this when he drew the great claymore frome the stane he was led to.

Crooks, conservatives latch onto the non-fictional leg of the beast, wheras I find the liberals here often create chimeras to latch onto... Think of a bull dog confronted with a very real bull, vs. the same bull dog confronted with an animal of the owners imagination (i.e. a chimera, ****-a-trice, etc)

**Parihaka** · 20th September 2008 04:05

Originally Posted by dalem

How is that an attack by conservatives?

It's actually the conservatives running the attacks on Palin as a means of keeping the messiah out of the news. Do try and keep up Dale.

**dalem** · 20th September 2008 05:13

Foolish me.

-dale

**Julie** · 20th September 2008 06:44

Originally Posted by dalem

And yes, the numbers all show that cnservatives are happier overall than liberals. Makes sense because liberalism is a more feminine mode of thought and females do not accept reality as easily as males.

-dale

Hmmmm, I'm sure Gov. Palin would resent that remark since she seems to accept reality very well which is why McCain picked her for VP. She gets it.

Now my opinion would be women accept reality better than men. I wonder how many grown men are still living at home with mommy doing their dirty laundry and cooking their dinner so they can be overall happier not accepting and facing reality?

Along the same note, how would you like to come with me behind the bookcase and let me make you my wailing *****?

**mudwhistle** · 20th September 2008 07:47

Originally Posted by HistoricalDavid

Well done, mudwhistle, on showing us all how to stay on-topic.

"Barack Hussein Obama is a Madrassa-educated radical Muslim bent on destroying America" chain e-mails. Fox ran a version of that - and Fox hardly has the same level of influence as Lindsay Lohan, Jeremiah Wright.
GOP congressman calls Obama 'uppity'. Again, a little more serious than Hollywood celebrities speaking out against McCain.
Obama is an elitist. Completely unlike every other presidential candidate in history, who all had very modest bank accounts before, during and after their attempts or presidencies. Maybe it had something to do with the bitterness comment, though of course few stopped to see whether or not that was true. Again, a little more serious than Hollywood celebrities speaking out against McCain.
Confusing Obama with Osama, and saying that ideally both would be killed. I dunno whether it's grounds for a Secret Service investigation... but definitely a sacking at Fox. Again, a little more serious than Hollywood celebrities slandering McCain.
Baby mama comment. Another sack-worthy comment. Again, a little more serious than Hollywood celebrities slandering McCain

All those are off the top of my head, i.e. someone who has nowhere the daily exposure to US politics that you guys do, and directed at Obama.

Ooh, another one from my YouTube travails. This time they apologise for it. YouTube - Fox News' E.D. Hill Apologizes for "Terrorist Fist Jab"

Oh and concerning your (unsourced, gosh!) "99.9% of intolerance comes from the left!" comment; Bill O'Reilly alone probably accounts for more than 0.1% considering his viewership figures.

Maybe if you knew a bit more about what you're talking about you would provide actual examples of conservatives making all of the before mentioned comments.

Many of them were made by other Democrats......primarily because most of them happened during the primaries and were thrown at Obama by Hillary supporters.

But you tell me if this isn't elitist:

A political storm is brewing over Sen. Barack Obama's recent statements. Last Sunday, Obama was explaining his difficulty with winning over working-class voters in Pennsylvania and the Midwest, saying they have become frustrated with economic conditions:

"And it's not surprising then that they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations," Obama said.

Obama: 'They cling to guns or religion' | Liveblog | Christianity Today

And guess what, Ted Kennedy first said "Osama, Obama", not a conservative.

**mudwhistle** · 20th September 2008 08:17

Another nasty remark by a Democrat that shows he is a bigot.

He calls Sarah Palin disabled:

Breitbart.tv » Political Shock: Rep. Rangel Mocks Sarah Palin as ‘Disabled’ in ‘Astonishing’ Interview

**mudwhistle** · 20th September 2008 08:40

And here's another wonderful comment by Sandra Bernhard.

She thinks Sarah Palin needs to be gang-raped by blacks in Manhattan.

Sandra Bernhard: Palin Would Be Gang-Raped By Blacks in Manhattan
By Tim Graham (Bio | Archive)
September 19, 2008 - 07:59 ET

The Washington Post isn’t the only daily D.C. newspaper to rave about Sandra Bernhard’s anti-Palin ranting. Wednesday’s Washington Examiner joined in, with the headline "Comedienne delivers enraged optimism." Barbara Mackay claimed "in the end, oddly and subtly, Bernhard’s message is positive."

That’s not the impression you’d get from the blog of Theater J, where Bernhard is appearing. It has video of Bernhard calling Palin "Uncle Women," a "turncoat b—h" and a "whore." One complaint on the blog that Bernhard crosses a line of political incorrectness draws a defense from Ari Roth of Theater J that really drops the curtain on how coarse this show is:

In fact, the play wears its politically VERY correct heart on its sleeve with its indictment of America as "A Man’s World, It’s a White Man’s World, It’s a F–ked Up White Man’s Racist World" and can only be suggested to be racist in its content if one is hell-bent on protecting White Folk for Sandra’s blistering indictment.When Sandra warns Sarah Palin not to come into Manhattan lest she get gang-raped by some of Sandra’s big black brothers, she’s being provocative, combative, humorous, and yes, let’s allow, disgusting.

The fact that the show has a few riffs like this does not — to my mind — make it a "disgusting show." there’s too much beauty, variety, vitality, and intelligence to label the entire show as "disgusting." I’ll agree with you that we produced this show because we did find it to be edgy — because we wanted to give right wing conservative Jews a good run for their money by being on the receiving end of some blistering indictments from Sandra.Does it go over the edge sometimes? On the gang-rape joke, yes. Sure. Not much else. It goes over the edge and then comes right back to the cutting edge. [Profanity editing is mine.]

Sandra Bernhard: Palin Would Be Gang-Raped By Blacks in Manhattan | NewsBusters.org

"Now you got Uncle Women, like Sarah Palin, who jumps on the s--t and points her fingers at other women. Turncoat b---h! Don’t you f--kin’ reference Old Testament, *****! You stay with your new Goyish crappy shiksa funky bulls--t! Don’t you touch my Old Testament, you b---h! Because we have left it open for interpre-ta-tion! It is no longer taken literally! You whore in your f--kin' cheap New Vision cheap-ass plastic glasses and your [sneering voice] hair up. A Tina Fey-Megan Mullally brokedown bulls--t moment."

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