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    Precisely, Dreadnought. It is irrelevant that Hillary is a woman, but it is relevant that as you say she hasn't the stones.

    However, even if we were to go with the woman thing, what makes America unsuitable for a woman? In 1979, Britain was mired in inflation and unemployment, the 'sick man of Europe'. Now, I suppose we need strong leadership for a secure America facing terrorist challenges etc etc. Trouble is, there will never be an 'ideal' time for a woman. In the '10s you needed a strong ballsy guy to guide America through WWI. In the '20s, you needed a strong ballsy guy to guide America through business-led prosperity, 'cause the women would just mollycoddle everyone with welfare. In the '30s, you needed a strong ballsy guy to fix the Depression. '40s, WWII and Cold War. '50s, segregation problems and nuclear USSR. '60s, Cuban Missile Crisis and Vietnam. '70s, oil crisis and post-Vietnam malaise. '80s, beat the Soviet Union. '90s, handle America's hyperpowerdom responsibly. 00s, WoT. You get the point - there is always an excuse against a woman.
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    What are those cross-dressing pictures of Giuliani, anyhow?

    EDIT: The banner under my post says "Dress Uniforms". Heheh, classic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HistoricalDavid View Post
    Precisely, Dreadnought. It is irrelevant that Hillary is a woman, but it is relevant that as you say she hasn't the stones.

    However, even if we were to go with the woman thing, what makes America unsuitable for a woman? In 1979, Britain was mired in inflation and unemployment, the 'sick man of Europe'. Now, I suppose we need strong leadership for a secure America facing terrorist challenges etc etc. Trouble is, there will never be an 'ideal' time for a woman. In the '10s you needed a strong ballsy guy to guide America through WWI. In the '20s, you needed a strong ballsy guy to guide America through business-led prosperity, 'cause the women would just mollycoddle everyone with welfare. In the '30s, you needed a strong ballsy guy to fix the Depression. '40s, WWII and Cold War. '50s, segregation problems and nuclear USSR. '60s, Cuban Missile Crisis and Vietnam. '70s, oil crisis and post-Vietnam malaise. '80s, beat the Soviet Union. '90s, handle America's hyperpowerdom responsibly. 00s, WoT. You get the point - there is always an excuse against a woman.

    Hmmm perhaps we could in effect clone some of Maggies DNA now that would produce a woman fit for the US presidency in this day and age. Cheers!)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreadnought View Post
    Hmmm perhaps we could in effect clone some of Maggies DNA now that would produce a woman fit for the US presidency in this day and age. Cheers!)
    For limited time only before she destroys her own party through poll tax unpopularity, and conditional upon having a war to win early on to cement her status.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dalem View Post
    For less than half the country interested in politics right now. Meaningless. This country has long been ready for a black or female president. There are just never any viable candidates.

    -dale
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    dale's a black woman?
    The human mind cannot grasp the causes of phenomena in the aggregate. But the need to find these causes is inherent in man’s soul. And the human intellect, without investigating the multiplicity and complexity of the conditions of phenomena, any one of which taken separately may seem to be the cause, snatches at the first, the most intelligible approximation to a cause, and says: “This is the cause!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by astralis View Post
    dale's a black woman?
    dunno, never met him/her. Whomever Dale is would be a "viable candidate."

    Smartass )

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    julie,

    you're only saying that coz you want essence o' dalem, eh?

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    The human mind cannot grasp the causes of phenomena in the aggregate. But the need to find these causes is inherent in man’s soul. And the human intellect, without investigating the multiplicity and complexity of the conditions of phenomena, any one of which taken separately may seem to be the cause, snatches at the first, the most intelligible approximation to a cause, and says: “This is the cause!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by astralis View Post
    julie,

    you're only saying that coz you want essence o' dalem, eh?

    :runs:
    Yes, ..... that obvious, huh?

    Smartass
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    Hah! I appreciate the sentiment but I think you'd find me extremely unelectable. Besides, I'm hardly qualified.

    As ruler of Daletopia, however, that's a different story.

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    They're now holding fair elections in Daletopia? I thought it would always be a dictatorship.

    I know that's the plan for Skullopolis! (My wife still thinks she's the PM! )
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    Daletopia ----- where crappy food prevails and the ego crushes anyone who attempts to go there.
    Welcome, you step into a forum of the flash bang, chew toy hell, and shove it down your throat brutal honesty. OoE

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    But presidential power overrules, eh.
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    I think I'd vote for Rudy over Hilary. Well, actually, I know I would.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Debbie View Post
    Daletopia ----- where crappy food prevails and the ego crushes anyone who attempts to go there.
    Girlfight!!!

    Damn, I've had my avatar for all of five minutes and I already need to point it out to someone!
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