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    Carter on Bush foreign policy

    If I understood right... this was written by Jimmy Carter. Well I am quite surprised to hear that somebody is left not fulled on other side of the ocean.... most others are either not interested with foreign politics or completelly brainwashed with "free" media which was favoring Bush last years..... some don't even remember what most important arguments were put on to sell war on Iraq to americans in 2002-03.

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    Jimmy Carter
    JIMMY CARTER was the 39th president of the United States. His newest book is "Our Endangered Values: America's Moral Crisis," published this month by Simon & Schuster.
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    IN RECENT YEARS, I have become increasingly concerned by a host of radical government policies that now threaten many basic principles espoused by all previous administrations, Democratic and Republican.

    These include the rudimentary American commitment to peace, economic and social justice, civil liberties, our environment and human rights.

    Also endangered are our historic commitments to providing citizens with truthful information, treating dissenting voices and beliefs with respect, state and local autonomy and fiscal responsibility.

    At the same time, our political leaders have declared independence from the restraints of international organizations and have disavowed long-standing global agreements -- including agreements on nuclear arms, control of biological weapons and the international system of justice.

    Instead of our tradition of espousing peace as a national priority unless our security is directly threatened, we have proclaimed a policy of "preemptive war," an unabridged right to attack other nations unilaterally to change an unsavory regime or for other purposes. When there are serious differences with other nations, we brand them as international pariahs and refuse to permit direct discussions to resolve disputes.

    Regardless of the costs, there are determined efforts by top U.S. leaders to exert American imperial dominance throughout the world.

    These revolutionary policies have been orchestrated by those who believe that our nation's tremendous power and influence should not be internationally constrained. Even with our troops involved in combat and America facing the threat of additional terrorist attacks, our declaration of "You are either with us or against us!" has replaced the forming of alliances based on a clear comprehension of mutual interests, including the threat of terrorism.

    Another disturbing realization is that, unlike during other times of national crisis, the burden of conflict is now concentrated exclusively on the few heroic men and women sent back repeatedly to fight in the quagmire of Iraq. The rest of our nation has not been asked to make any sacrifice, and every effort has been made to conceal or minimize public awareness of casualties.

    Instead of cherishing our role as the great champion of human rights, we now find civil liberties and personal privacy grossly violated under some extreme provisions of the Patriot Act.

    Of even greater concern is that the U.S. has repudiated the Geneva accords and espoused the use of torture in Iraq, Afghanistan and Guantanamo Bay, and secretly through proxy regimes elsewhere with the so-called extraordinary rendition program. It is embarrassing to see the president and vice president insisting that the CIA should be free to perpetrate "cruel, inhumane or degrading treatment or punishment" on people in U.S. custody.

    Instead of reducing America's reliance on nuclear weapons and their further proliferation, we have insisted on our right (and that of others) to retain our arsenals, expand them, and therefore abrogate or derogate almost all nuclear arms control agreements negotiated during the last 50 years. We have now become a prime culprit in global nuclear proliferation. America also has abandoned the prohibition of "first use" of nuclear weapons against nonnuclear nations, and is contemplating the previously condemned deployment of weapons in space.

    Protection of the environment has fallen by the wayside because of government subservience to political pressure from the oil industry and other powerful lobbying groups. The last five years have brought continued lowering of pollution standards at home and almost universal condemnation of our nation's global environmental policies.

    Our government has abandoned fiscal responsibility by unprecedented favors to the rich, while neglecting America's working families. Members of Congress have increased their own pay by $30,000 per year since freezing the minimum wage at $5.15 per hour (the lowest among industrialized nations).

    I am extremely concerned by a fundamentalist shift in many houses of worship and in government, as church and state have become increasingly intertwined in ways previously thought unimaginable.

    As the world's only superpower, America should be seen as the unswerving champion of peace, freedom and human rights. Our country should be the focal point around which other nations can gather to combat threats to international security and to enhance the quality of our common environment. We should be in the forefront of providing human assistance to people in need.

    It is time for the deep and disturbing political divisions within our country to be substantially healed, with Americans united in a common commitment to revive and nourish the historic political and moral values that we have espoused during the last 230 years.

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    Jimmy Carter indeed!


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    ROTFL! I guess Jimbo doesn't remember how well things went durring his presidency. Few Democrats or Republicans have the right to preach about economic and social justice, civil liberties, our environment and/or human rights, and Jim ain't one of 'em...
    No man is free until all men are free - John Hossack
    I agree completely with this Administration’s goal of a regime change in Iraq-John Kerry
    even if that enforcement is mostly at the hands of the United States, a right we retain even if the Security Council fails to act-John Kerry
    He may even miscalculate and slide these weapons off to terrorist groups to invite them to be a surrogate to use them against the United States. It’s the miscalculation that poses the greatest threat-John Kerry

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    Quote Originally Posted by Confed999
    ROTFL! I guess Jimbo doesn't remember how well things went durring his presidency. Few Democrats or Republicans have the right to preach about economic and social justice, civil liberties, our environment and/or human rights, and Jim ain't one of 'em...
    I actually meant his comments on Bush's foreign policy. Iraqi campaign which was sold in wrong package as an urgent reaction to 9/11, while being in fact a pure nation building project......

    unilateral destruction of all agreements which were achieved by predessesors with rest of the world..... gave good lesson => US will not stick to agreements same moment as it feels them binding..... => what is the value of any future agreements with US?

    attempt to rule the world in a manner "with us or against us" made so many people really hating US and their people.

    In general should US take on a role of a global policemen if nobody really wants to pay costs for this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garry
    I actually meant his comments on Bush's foreign policy.
    So do you agree his comments on domestic policy are untrustworthy? And Jimmy's foreign policy, was worse than his domestic policy.
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    Iraqi campaign which was sold in wrong package as an urgent reaction to 9/11
    What was the wrong package? Tyrant in power, broken cease-fire, terrorist supporter, intel saying WMD programs, intel saying WMD stockpiles. The only one I know that was incorrect was the stockpiles bit, but then it was just "intel".
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    while being in fact a pure nation building project
    If it came to war, it meant regime change. Everyone knew this...
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    unilateral
    We didn't go alone, or decide alone.
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    destruction of all agreements which were achieved by predessesors with rest of the world.....
    It can't be destruction, all withdrawls were totally legal. Read the treaties...
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    gave good lesson => US will not stick to agreements same moment as it feels them binding..... => what is the value of any future agreements with US
    Sorry, to the best of my knowledge nothing illegal was performed. Thus, if you want an agreement that cannot be broken, don't agree to let the other signing parties opt out at a later date.
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    attempt to rule the world
    The US isn't trying to "rule the world". That's a joke...
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    "with us or against us"
    What's the other choice? You're for terroists, or you're against them. That was the context in which it was used. I'm just glad someone finally said it out loud again.
    Quote Originally Posted by Garry
    In general should US take on a role of a global policemen if nobody really wants to pay costs for this?
    Somebody will end up paying, if we do not. To say it was wrong to remove the Baath from power in Iraq while spouting off "economic and social justice, civil liberties, our environment and human rights" is so hypocritical it's sickening. And if old Jim Bob there had done some policing in Iran back in the day, when he had the chance...
    No man is free until all men are free - John Hossack
    I agree completely with this Administration’s goal of a regime change in Iraq-John Kerry
    even if that enforcement is mostly at the hands of the United States, a right we retain even if the Security Council fails to act-John Kerry
    He may even miscalculate and slide these weapons off to terrorist groups to invite them to be a surrogate to use them against the United States. It’s the miscalculation that poses the greatest threat-John Kerry

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    Just what I expected.

    Seconds out of the ring.

    Box on!


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    Why are we discussing anything that moron Carter says or writes or thinks for that matter. He was the worst President in my lifetime and he continues to espouse idiotic, isolated, and unrealistic liberal giberish.

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