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    Damn Left Wing Media

    Note this is a news story not an op-ed opinion piece

    New Orleans collects dead as officials dodge blame
    Sun Sep 4, 2005 4:07 PM ET

    By Mark Egan

    NEW ORLEANS (Reuters) - New Orleans began the gruesome task of collecting its thousands of dead on Sunday as the Bush administration tried to save face after its botched rescue plans left the city at the mercy of Hurricane Katrina.

    Like WTF?

    Except for rescue workers and scattered groups of people, streets in the once-vibrant capital of jazz and good times were all but abandoned after a mass exodus of hundreds of thousands of refugees into neighboring Texas and other states.

    Battered and sickened survivors made no attempt to disguise their anger: "We have been abandoned by our own country, " Aaron Broussard, president of Jefferson Parish, just south of New Orleans, told NBC's Meet the Press.

    "It's not just Katrina that caused all these deaths in New Orleans," Broussard said. "Bureaucracy has committed murder here in the greater New Orleans area, and bureaucracy has to stand trial before Congress now."

    After a nightmare confluence of natural disaster and political ineptitude that al Qaeda-linked Web sites called evidence of the "wrath of God" striking America, National Guard troops and U.S. marshals patrolled the city, stricken in the days after the hurricane by anarchic violence and looting.

    Local and federal officials said they expected to find thousands of corpses still floating in flood waters or locked inside homes and buildings destroyed by the devastating storm that struck the U.S. Gulf coast last Monday.

    "When we remove the water from New Orleans, we're going to uncover people who died hiding in houses, who got caught by the flood. People whose remains will be found in the street," U.S. Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff told Fox News.

    AS UGLY AS YOU CAN IMAGINE

    "There'll be pollution. It is going to be about as ugly a scene as you can imagine."

    Later, Chertoff flew into New Orleans and said the search for storm victims would be arduous. "Let me be clear: we're going to have to go house to house in this city," he said. "This is not going to happen overnight."

    President George W. Bush, who in a rare admission of error, conceded on Friday that the results of his administration's relief efforts were unacceptable, said on Saturday he would send 7,200 more active-duty troops over three days.

    I believe what he said was the response was unacceptable at no point did he say it was his fault. In addition what is "rare admission of error?" That seems to imply there are a whole bunch of other errors out there.

    Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld toured a medical facility at New Orleans' international airport on Sunday. He spoke and shook hands with military and rescue officials but walked right by a dozen refugees lying on stretchers just feet away from him, most of them extremely sick or handicapped.

    Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice was touring the Mobile, Alabama, area, in her native state.

    A further 10,000 National Guard troops were being sent to storm-hit Louisiana and Mississippi, raising the total to 40,000. A total of 54,000 military personnel are now committed to relief efforts.

    Lawmakers promised to allocate more relief money in coming weeks after Bush signed a $10.5 billion aid package for Gulf Coast areas hit by Katrina.

    LOOKING FOR THE DEAD

    Towns along the Gulf Coast ripped apart by Katrina were beginning the enormous task of reconstruction and accounting for the dead. In hard-hit Biloxi, Mississippi, homes and cars still lay piled up on each other or under trees, and power lines dangled everywhere.

    Well over 100 deaths had been confirmed in Mississippi and "we are finding new casualties in the debris," Biloxi town spokesman Vincent Creel said on Saturday.

    The living told tales of horror in stricken New Orleans.

    "There were bodies floating everywhere. Lots of them. Some had bullets in them," said Michael Davis, 18, as he described his escape from a neighborhood immersed in more than 10 feet of water last week. He ultimately found refuge at a domed arena in Lafayette, Louisiana.

    Mississippi largely escaped the turmoil in New Orleans but officials warned of a serious risk of dysentery and other diseases from contaminated water.

    "It's not a disaster, it's a catastrophe," Harrison County's health director, Bob Trabnicek, said in Biloxi.

    "Why they don't try to get us out of here, I don't know," said Ella Robertson, 51, as she paced back and forth on a debris-lined Biloxi street. "Waiting, that's all we can do."

    The storm's impact was felt across the United States as gas prices rose to well over $3 a gallon after Katrina's 140-mph (225-kph) winds shut eight oil refineries and crippled others.

    'TWO CATASTROPHES'

    Defending the administration's response and disaster planning, Chertoff said the hurricane and flood in New Orleans were "two catastrophes" that presented an unprecedented challenge.

    "That perfect storm of combination of catastrophes exceeded the foresight of the planners and maybe anybody's foresight," the homeland security chief said.

    Critics have said the Federal Emergency Management Agency has lost its effectiveness since it became part of the Homeland Security Department in a post-September 11 reorganization.

    Rice was slammed by critics on the Internet after she attended a New York performance of the Monty Python musical "Spamalot" on Wednesday, a day after New Orleans flooded.

    She runs the State Department! What should she have been done at the time? Typical liberal nonsense. Just look busy right?

    After returning to Washington, she defended the administration against charges the slow government response and prolonged suffering of New Orleans' predominantly black storm victims were signs of racial neglect.

    "That Americans would somehow in a color-affected way decide who to help and who not to help, I just don't believe it," said Rice, the administration's highest-ranking black official.

    The Washington Post reported on Sunday that Bush administration officials were blaming state and local authorities for the disaster response problems. The newspaper said the administration was rebuffed in an effort to take control of police and National Guard units reporting to Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Blanco, a Democrat.

    That sounds like an admission of guilt to me. Nice how they wait until the last paragraph to mention that.

    (Additional reporting by Kerry Wutkoski and Phil Barbara in Washington; Mark Babineck in New Orleans; Erwin Seba, Paul Simao and Jim Loney in Baton Rouge, Peter Cooney and Adam Tanner in Houston, Matt Daily in Biloxi, Steve Holland, Charles Aldinger, John Whitesides and Eric Walsh in Washington)

    http://today.reuters.com/news/newsar...KATRINA-DC.XML
    "Above all, we must realize that no arsenal, or no weapon in the arsenals of the world, is so formidable as the will and moral courage of free men and women. It is a weapon our adversaries in today's world do not have."
    "The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'"

    NEVER FORGET

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    Nope, no bias in the media...
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    I agree completely with this Administration’s goal of a regime change in Iraq-John Kerry
    even if that enforcement is mostly at the hands of the United States, a right we retain even if the Security Council fails to act-John Kerry
    He may even miscalculate and slide these weapons off to terrorist groups to invite them to be a surrogate to use them against the United States. It’s the miscalculation that poses the greatest threat-John Kerry

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    I think it is right for the government/administration to take some blame for a disastrous relief effort. No matter who failed (even if, only local officials) the government ultimately carries the responsibilities (for success or failure). We have seen this happen around the world in other disasters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SloMax
    I think it is right for the government/administration to take some blame for a disastrous relief effort.
    Not if they didn't f*ck up.

    No matter who failed (even if, only local officials) the government ultimately carries the responsibilities (for success or failure).
    I don't find that to be true at all. Why should blame be incorrectly placed?

    We have seen this happen around the world in other disasters.
    Yeah so...? Let's all be wrong together?

    Edit: You also missed the point entirely. They are supported to be delivering the news not engaging in partisan Bush bashing.
    "Above all, we must realize that no arsenal, or no weapon in the arsenals of the world, is so formidable as the will and moral courage of free men and women. It is a weapon our adversaries in today's world do not have."
    "The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'"

    NEVER FORGET

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    Not if they didn't f*ck up. I don't find that to be true at all. Why should blame be incorrectly placed?
    If state and federal systems in place didn't work as they should the ultimate responsibility is carried by the government. If the state/local officials fu**ed up, the job of the government is to make it work. They are elected to serve their citizens. People and media put pressure on the government to make it work in their citizen’s interest. That’s how democracy works.
    Yeah so...? Let's all be wrong together?
    You right, everybody else wrong...hhhmmmm?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SloMax
    If state and federal systems in place didn't work as they should the ultimate responsibility is carried by the government. If the state/local officials fu**ed up, the job of the government is to make it work. They are elected to serve their citizens. People and media put pressure on the government to make it work in their citizen’s interest. That’s how democracy works.

    You right, everybody else wrong...hhhmmmm?
    I would suggest that maybe you don't have a strong understanding of how the federal and state and local systems work here in the U.S. Not to mention that New Orleans is a notoriously corrupt city in the notoriously corrupt state of Louisiana, which is going to affect even a good system negatively.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dalem
    I would suggest that maybe you don't have a strong understanding of how the federal and state and local systems work here in the U.S. Not to mention that New Orleans is a notoriously corrupt city in the notoriously corrupt state of Louisiana, which is going to affect even a good system negatively.

    -dale
    I confess I haven't a strong understanding of how the federal and state and local systems work in the US. I only know the basics.

    It seems the US government isn't the only one under fire over Katrina...http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4214326.stm

    Australians are also complaining about their government’s response.

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    You don't even know the basics or you wouldn't be misapplying blame to the feds.

    The Gov of La did not request federal troops until 2Sept.

    Within 24 hours the US Army, USMC, USAF, and USN were moving on NO in force, and already conducting massive rescue efforts to airlift people out of the region.

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    Right wingers just accuse anything in the media that doesn't show bush and the republican party complete support of being "left wing media"...they seem to think that their views are only correct and that everyone elses views are wrong...and they will go out of their way to trash anyone who disagrees with them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by M21Sniper
    You don't even know the basics or you wouldn't be misapplying blame to the feds.

    The Gov of La did not request federal troops until 2Sept.

    Within 24 hours the US Army, USMC, USAF, and USN were moving on NO in force, and already conducting massive rescue efforts to airlift people out of the region.
    The State of New Orleans was declared by President Bush a State of Emergency BEFORE the hurricane struck. That means, federal relief had already been discussed and agreed to between the State and the Federal Government. I would be glad to find a link to that and post it here if need be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Julie
    The State of New Orleans was declared by President Bush a State of Emergency BEFORE the hurricane struck. That means, federal relief had already been discussed and agreed to between the State and the Federal Government. I would be glad to find a link to that and post it here if need be.
    The governor has to ask for the federal troops and aid to come in. State's rights.
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    He may even miscalculate and slide these weapons off to terrorist groups to invite them to be a surrogate to use them against the United States. It’s the miscalculation that poses the greatest threat-John Kerry

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    "The State of New Orleans was declared by President Bush a State of Emergency BEFORE the hurricane struck. That means, federal relief had already been discussed and agreed to between the State and the Federal Government. I would be glad to find a link to that and post it here if need be."

    WRONG, WRONG, WRONG, WRONG.

    US Federal troops CANNOT be commited until the Gov of the affected state FORMALLY REQUESTS THEM.

    This is due to the Posse Comitatus act.

    The Formal request was issued by Gov. Blanco on the afternoon of 2 sept.

    Within 24 hours there were hundreds of US federal forces helos rescuing survivors and making food drops, and the US Army 4th ID was commiting foot patrols to police NO streets.

    UNTIL FORMALLY REQUESTED, THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES CANNOT COMMIT EVEN A SINGLE FEDERAL US SOLDIER TO AID WITHIN THE BORDERS OF AN AFFLICTED STATE DUE TO THE RESTRICTIONS PLACED UPON HIM BY THE POSSE COMITATUS ACT OF 1873.

    End of story.

    So who failed?

    TWO DEMOCRATS FAILED BIG TIME.

    They being the Mayor of NO, and the Gov of La.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VayuSena
    Right wingers just accuse anything in the media that doesn't show bush and the republican party complete support of being "left wing media"...they seem to think that their views are only correct and that everyone elses views are wrong...and they will go out of their way to trash anyone who disagrees with them.
    No, right wingers just tend to stress these things called "facts".

    You may really really really want to find a reason to pin a 50-year storm (anyone know if Katrina is classified as a 50 or 100 year storm?) on the president of a country other than your own, whom you apparently dislike for some pathological reason, but the reality is that the Federal government has to wait until the state governments ask for help before it helps, and the local governments are responsible for developing and supporting response plans for local emergencies. But these are facts, so I don't know if you are interested in them.

    If you'd like to see some criticism of the President by someone who supports him, then issues like spending, government expansion, border control, and lack of effective communication will no doubt let you see that criticism. Heck, read National Review Online for plenty of conservative criticism of President Bush in addition to praise.

    -dale

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    Quote Originally Posted by SloMax
    If state and federal systems in place didn't work as they should the ultimate responsibility is carried by the government.
    No the ultimate responsibility is by those people how ARE responsible. The whole government isn't responsible for the mayor of NO being an idiot.

    If the state/local officials fu**ed up, the job of the government is to make it work.
    And because those moron officials screwed up something that was impossible to fully fix, I should blame people that tried there best to clean up the mess? No.

    They are elected to serve their citizens. People and media put pressure on the government to make it work in their citizen’s interest.
    That's not what the news media should be doing. They are there to inform the public of the facts. Nothing more.

    That’s how democracy works.
    What you're describing is how dictatorships work.

    You right, everybody else wrong...hhhmmmm?
    That refutes my argument how?
    "Above all, we must realize that no arsenal, or no weapon in the arsenals of the world, is so formidable as the will and moral courage of free men and women. It is a weapon our adversaries in today's world do not have."
    "The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'"

    NEVER FORGET

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    Quote Originally Posted by VayuSena
    Right wingers just accuse anything in the media that doesn't show bush and the republican party complete support of being "left wing media"
    Well the proof is staring you in the face. I can't cure the blind.

    ...they seem to think that their views are only correct and that everyone elses views are wrong...and they will go out of their way to trash anyone who disagrees with them.
    I love the "they" construct here. Like all conservatives hold those qualities. Care to prove that?
    "Above all, we must realize that no arsenal, or no weapon in the arsenals of the world, is so formidable as the will and moral courage of free men and women. It is a weapon our adversaries in today's world do not have."
    "The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'"

    NEVER FORGET

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