Cindy Sheehan Unplugged

**Leader** · 21 Aug 05, 09:19

Cindy Sheehan Unplugged
By Jane Shahi
FrontPageMagazine.com | August 19, 2005

The following is a transcript of comments made by featured speakers -- including Cindy Sheehan -- at a rally to honor Lynne Stewart, a radical leftist lawyer convicted of helping the perpetrator of the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, Sheikh Omar Abdel Rahman, communicate with terrorist cells in his home country. This rally took place on Wednesday, April 27, 2005, at San Francisco State University and was recorded by FrontPage Magazine reporter Jane Shahi. Among the sponsors of the event were the National Lawyers Guild, Campaign to End the Death Penalty, the International Socialist Organization, and the Campus Antiwar Network. With Mrs. Sheehan's newfound popularity, we felt her remarks were most revealing. -- The Editors.

Cindy Sheehan (Military Families Speak Out; Goldstar Families for Peace; her son Casey was killed in the Iraq War)

First, I want to give my little story about Lynne. Of course, you all have read To Kill a Mockingbird. Lynne is my human Atticus Finch. He did what he knew was right, but wasn’t popular. And that’s what Lynne is doing. {applause}

We are not waging a war on terror in this country. We’re waging a war of terror. The biggest terrorist in the world is George W. Bush. {applause}

How many more people are we going to let him kill before we stop him? I’m going to talk about free speech and recruitment. Do you know that it costs $66,000 to recruit one recruit? That’s continuing all of their – you know, the recruiter’s salary, the recruiter’s bonus, the place that they rent to recruit and things like that. All the perks they get and everything. That’s not even training the recruit. It costs our government about $6,000 a year on each child in California. $46,000 a year to house a prisoner in our state. Our priorities are seriously screwed up, as I mentioned.

I really want to thank you guys for doing this, especially the young people. It gives me so much hope to know that there’s young people who care more about who’s our next American Idol – less about that. You guys care more about people being killed. There’s too many that care more about the next American Idol. Too many people in our country that don’t even really know we have a war going on. You know, they never have to think of the war, and I’ll never, ever forget this war. I can never forget it, even when I’m sleeping {tears} I know that we’re in a war and I know that George Bush and his band of neo-cons and their neo-con agenda killed my son. And I’ll never, ever, ever forget.

I take responsibility partly for my son’s death, too. I was raised in a country by a public school system that taught us that America was good, that America was just. America has been killing people, like my sister over here says, since we first stepped on this continent, we have been responsible for death and destruction. I passed on that ******** to my son and my son enlisted. I’m going all over the country telling moms: “This country is not worth dying for. If we’re attacked, we would all go out. We’d all take whatever we had. I’d take my rolling pin and I’d beat the attackers over the head with it. But we were not attacked by Iraq. {applause} We might not even have been attacked by Osama bin Laden if {applause}. 9/11 was their Pearl Harbor to get their neo-con agenda through

and, if I would have known that before my son was killed, I would have taken him to Canada. I would never have let him go and try and defend this morally repugnant system we have. The people are good, the system is morally repugnant. {applause}

Please – teach your babies, teach your babies better than I taught my babies. When Congress gave George Bush the right to go to war, they abrogated their constitutional responsibilities and they basically made our constitution null and void. We have no checks and balances in this country. We have no recourse. [<cough> 2004 Election]If they’re going to what they did to Lynne, they don’t have backs they call names, what we need to be is, we the people, we’re their checks and balances. We’re the only checks and balances. We have to stand up and say, Not only is this our school, this is our country. We want our country back and, if we have to impeach everybody from George Bush down to the person who picks up dog **** in Washington, we will impeach all those people. Our country needs to {unintelligible} [Yeah that about sums it up.] we need to start over again.

I just want to say that you students, Students Against War, you have all my support and all my organization’s support. I told Kristen if you have any actions and you need a ringleader, that I only live about an hour away. I’ll be here. If I can sleep on somebody’s floor, we can have this, we can camp out, do whatever we need.

And I just want to way to George Bush and I want to say to the people who are here, that are still sheep {unintelligible} and following him blindly: if George Bush believes his rhetoric and his ********, that this is a war for freedom and democracy, that he is spreading freedom and democracy, does he think every person he kills makes Iraq more free? It doesn’t make us more free. It damages our humanity. The whole world is damaged. Our humanity is damaged. If he thinks that it’s so important for Iraq to have a U.S.-imposed sense of freedom and democracy, then he needs to sign up his two little party-animal girls. They need to go this war. They need to fight because a just war, the definition of a just war, and maybe you people here who still think this is a just war, the definition of a just war is one that you would send your own children to die in. That you would go die in yourself. And you aren’t willing to send your own children, or if you’re not willing to go die yourself, then you bring there rest of our kids home now. It is despicable what they’re doing. {applause}

What they’re saying, too, is like, it’s okay for Israel to have nuclear weapons. But Iran or Syria better not get nuclear weapons. It’s okay for the United States to have nuclear weapons. It’s okay for the countries that we say it’s okay for. [Gee I've heard that before.] We are waging a nuclear war in Iraq right now. That country is contaminated. It will be contaminated for practically eternity now. It’s okay for them to have them, but Iran or Syria can’t have them. It’s okay for Israel to occupy Palestine, but it’s – yeah – and it’s okay for Iraq to occupy [The name of the country your looking for is Kuwait] – I mean, for the United States to occupy Iraq, but it’s not okay for Syria to be in Lebanon. They’re a bunch of ****ing hypocrites! And we need to, we just need to rise up. We need a revolution and make it be peaceful and make it be loving and let’s just show them all the love we have for humanity because we want to stop the inhumane slaughter.

{Morons applaud wildly}

[color-olive]If you could stomach this, which I barely could, there are four more “speeches” by summarily mind idiots here: [/color]

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles...e.asp?ID=19195

**THL** · 21 Aug 05, 14:52

We need to have something to protect us from this these types of internal attacks on our country. Right now there are numerous OBL followers and supporters, reading this women's anti-american sentiments and rejoicing that we are turning on ourselves. If we cannot trust our fellow americans, who can we trust?

I hear people saying we don't need this war
I say there's some things worth fighting for
What about our freedom and this piece of ground?
We didn't get to keep 'em by backing down
They say we don't realize the mess we're getting in
Before you start preaching
Let me ask you this my friend

Have you forgotten how it felt that day
To see your homeland under fire
And her people blown away?
Have you forgotten when those towers fell?
We had neighbors still inside
Going through a living hell
And you say we shouldn't worry 'bout Bin Laden
Have you forgotten?...
- Darryl Worley

**~~Adux~~** · 21 Aug 05, 15:23

Originally Posted by TopHatsLiberal

We need to have something to protect us from this these types of internal attacks on our country. Right now there are numerous OBL followers and supporters, reading this women's anti-american sentiments and rejoicing that we are turning on ourselves. If we cannot trust our fellow americans, who can we trust?

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i would say she is being overly melodramatic, but i do have to agree on some points. I cant believe i am sayin this but US gets all the bad name in the world by supporting Israel, Democratic country like the US should behave the same way in the world fora too, Afghanistan Yes, but Iraq sorry its a NO,

Josh

**Confed999** · 21 Aug 05, 16:14

The poor lady has simply gone insane...

**Confed999** · 21 Aug 05, 16:19

Originally Posted by Josh

I cant believe i am sayin this but US gets all the bad name in the world by supporting Israel

The US gets a bads name by supporting Israel in it's effort to keep it's people from being "driven into the sea"? If that gets us a "bad name", I'll take it...

Originally Posted by Josh

Democratic country like the US should behave the same way in the world fora too, Afghanistan Yes, but Iraq sorry its a NO

I'm happy anytime a tyranny falls. I'll take the "bad name" for that as well, and wear it with honor...

**~~Adux~~** · 21 Aug 05, 17:30

Originally Posted by Confed999

The US gets a bads name by supporting Israel in it's effort to keep it's people from being "driven into the sea"? If that gets us a "bad name", I'll take it...

I'm happy anytime a tyranny falls. I'll take the "bad name" for that as well, and wear it with honor...

ma'am,

I agree, but lets be honest, i am ready to accept all the mistakes of my country, if i have to criticize my country to hold its democratic and moral values, i will do that. Though Israel is my country's ally but i agree to the common perception that there are human rights violation taken by the israeli's which the US turns a blind eye. If only US Foriegn policy was as good as its Domestic one.

Everybody looks at the US as a becon of freedom, but when it shows double standards and hypocracy unfortunatly madam there lies the bad name. IF US had a neutral stance dont think the US would viewed like this. I am just telling to have a justified stance where the US views both Israel and Palestine people on equal basis. I could understand the views of Palestine people when they consider US as a enemy. All the weapon systems and aid goin to Israel and none for them.

Imagine if u were a palestinian u look over the wall u see a israeli who is living in all kinds of richness while you rot there in your own homeland. They know that America is providing all this to the israeli's so naturally their anger. if US would have aided the palestinians too. then it is a neutral stance. I stood tall when america attacked Afghanistan, i would have stood tall if the americans completed their job in Gulf war I. I am not for Saddam but for reasons for attacking him came too late and wasnt true. Iraq war is about economics. Saddam had nothing to do with International Islamic terrorism, period. yes he did conduct genocide on his people, he was a pure b**tard but that wasnt the primary reason given. WAR ON TERROR IS AFGHANISTAN, PAKISTAN, SAUDI ARABIA, CHECHNYA, SYRIA, SUDAN, if you would have noticed the number of AFrican muslims in terror attacks have risen dramatically in the past 5 yrs.

Iran has very good relations with my country i believe if Iran wants Nuclear weapons it should have it. if america's feel they should not, then the whole middle east should be de-nuclearlized, Israel dosent need nuclear weapons just as long as it is under the american nuclear umberlla alla Japan or Australia.

i am sure i am going to be flamed for this,

Honestly speaking it is the people of palestine how are driven out to the sea, its like comin to a person's house and then throwin ur own host out.

Confedd,

madam i have read a lot of ur posts, for the past 4 months, i know you are a person with a balanced view ,i am from a neutral country and it might be geopolitics but according to my humble opinion the weight of the whole wide world is on America and there are countries which look upon it to deliever justice. Its about time they acted like a true world leader, honorable, equal and justified, Its about time they rethink their approaches and strategy in foriegn affairs.

But if u think the USA is perfect and its all the faults of the Muslims, or the french(lol), or anybody else for that matter, then i have nothing to say

Josh

**Confed999** · 21 Aug 05, 19:31

Originally Posted by Josh

ma'am,

Actually I'm male.

Originally Posted by Josh

i am ready to accept all the mistakes of my country, if i have to criticize my country to hold its democratic and moral values,

I'm not sure anyone said you couldn't.

Originally Posted by Josh

Though Israel is my country's ally but i agree to the common perception that there are human rights violation taken by the israeli's which the US turns a blind eye.

What ones?

Originally Posted by Josh

If only US Foriegn policy was as good as its Domestic one.

Everybody looks at the US as a becon of freedom

I'm glad we're going back to it. Finally we are again putting pressure on the tyrants and dictators of the world. The West has too long sacrificed freedom for security, and it's why we are where we are today. Any movement in the other direction, is cause for celibration for me.

Originally Posted by Josh

IF US had a neutral stance dont think the US would viewed like this.

If the US had a neutral stance, the world wouldn't be worth living in...

Originally Posted by Josh

Imagine if u were a palestinian u look over the wall u see a israeli who is living in all kinds of richness while you rot there in your own homeland.

I would have to guess that their system is alot better than mine, and wonder why my government wasn't using the same system. I wouldn't purposefully blow up their children.

Originally Posted by Josh

They know that America is providing all this to the israeli's so naturally their anger.

Actually Israel does quite well. What they "know" isn't fact, it's propaganda.

Originally Posted by Josh

if US would have aided the palestinians too.

Well over 1.8 billion in the last 10 years...

Originally Posted by Josh

I stood tall when america attacked Afghanistan,

Did you stand tall because they took down a tyranny, or because the intel that said they were in bed with AQ was true? BTW, a coalition attacked Afghanistan, not America...

Originally Posted by Josh

i would have stood tall if the americans completed their job in Gulf war I.

But not now? What had changed?

Originally Posted by Josh

I am not for Saddam but for reasons for attacking him came too late and wasnt true.

So you're saying he didn't pay terrorists on TV? No terrorist training camps? No rape rooms? No torture rooms? No attacks on the Kurds? No attacks on the Shia? No attacks on the Marsh Arabs? No mass graves? Never fired on US and UK aircraft? Had followed the terms of the cease fire? Had fully cooperated with inspectors? Had given up on their WMD programs? Seriously?

Originally Posted by Josh

but that wasnt the primary reason given.

Oh, I see.. Those things have to be the "primary" reasons huh?

Originally Posted by Josh

WAR ON TERROR IS AFGHANISTAN, PAKISTAN, SAUDI ARABIA, CHECHNYA, SYRIA, SUDAN

The war on terror is everywhere. Not everyone needs to be invaded. Look at Saudi Arabia over just the last few months, if they even do 1/2 of what they say... http://www.wpherald.com/storyview.ph...9-092721-9016r

Originally Posted by Josh

then the whole middle east should be de-nuclearlized, Israel dosent need nuclear weapons just as long as it is under the american nuclear umberlla alla Japan or Australia.

Fine with me, prove Israel has the weapons, and make them get rid of them...

Originally Posted by Josh

Honestly speaking it is the people of palestine how are driven out to the sea, its like comin to a person's house and then throwin ur own host out.

Who started the fighting? That's a host to you?

Originally Posted by Josh

i know you are a person with a balanced view

Oh no, no, no. I'm not balanced when it comes to progressing freedom, I'm an extremist. I'm happy whenever it happens, for whatever reasons anyone can think up...

Originally Posted by Josh

according to my humble opinion the weight of the whole wide world is on America and there are countries which look upon it to deliever justice. Its about time they acted like a true world leader, honorable, equal and justified,

How can the USA be that, without bringing international criminals down?

Originally Posted by Josh

But if u think the USA is perfect and its all the faults of the Muslims, or the french(lol), or anybody else for that matter, then i have nothing to say

I've never said anyone was perfect. I still contest that Iraq was in any way the wrong thing to do...

**Leader** · 21 Aug 05, 19:39

"i would say she is being overly melodramatic,"

So you agree with her but just wish had said it a less overtly seditious way?

**Leader** · 21 Aug 05, 19:40

"i know you are a person with a balanced view"

A hell of a lot more balanced then the rest of us.

**~~Adux~~** · 21 Aug 05, 22:06

Originally Posted by Leader

"i would say she is being overly melodramatic,"

So you agree with her but just wish had said it a less overtly seditious way?

I dont agree with her views completly; but she has some points are right.

**Leader** · 21 Aug 05, 22:14

Originally Posted by Josh

I dont agree with her views completly; but she has some points are right.

Which ones?

**Leader** · 21 Aug 05, 22:15

Sheehan on Hardball:

MATTHEWS: Can I ask you a tough question? A very tough question.

SHEEHAN: Yes.

MATTHEWS: All right. If your son had been killed in Afghanistan, would you have a different feeling?

SHEEHAN: I don’t think so, Chris, because I believe that Afghanistan is almost the same thing. We’re fighting terrorism. Or terrorists, we’re saying. But they’re not contained in a country. This is an ideology and not an enemy. And we know that Iraq, Iraq had no terrorism. They were no threat to the United States of America.

MATTHEWS: But Afghanistan was harboring, the Taliban was harboring al-Qaida which is the group that attacked us on 9/11.

SHEEHAN: Well then we should have gone after al-Qaida and maybe not after the country of Afghanistan.

MATTHEWS: But that’s where they were being harbored. That’s where they were headquartered. Shouldn’t we go after their headquarters? Doesn’t that make sense?

SHEEHAN: Well, but there were a lot of innocent people killed in that invasion, too. … But I’m seeing that we’re sending our ground troops in to invade countries where the entire country wasn’t the problem. Especially Iraq. Iraq was no problem. And why do we send in invading armies to march into Afghanistan when we’re looking for a select group of people in that country?

So I believe that our troops should be brought home out of both places where we’re obviously not having any success in Afghanistan. Osama bin Laden is still on the loose and that’s who they told us was responsible for 9/11.

**~~Adux~~** · 22 Aug 05, 01:43

Originally Posted by Leader

Sheehan on Hardball:

MATTHEWS: Can I ask you a tough question? A very tough question.

SHEEHAN: Yes.

MATTHEWS: All right. If your son had been killed in Afghanistan, would you have a different feeling?

SHEEHAN: I don’t think so, Chris, because I believe that Afghanistan is almost the same thing. We’re fighting terrorism. Or terrorists, we’re saying. But they’re not contained in a country. This is an ideology and not an enemy. And we know that Iraq, Iraq had no terrorism. They were no threat to the United States of America.

MATTHEWS: But Afghanistan was harboring, the Taliban was harboring al-Qaida which is the group that attacked us on 9/11.

SHEEHAN: Well then we should have gone after al-Qaida and maybe not after the country of Afghanistan.

MATTHEWS: But that’s where they were being harbored. That’s where they were headquartered. Shouldn’t we go after their headquarters? Doesn’t that make sense?

SHEEHAN: Well, but there were a lot of innocent people killed in that invasion, too. … But I’m seeing that we’re sending our ground troops in to invade countries where the entire country wasn’t the problem. Especially Iraq. Iraq was no problem. And why do we send in invading armies to march into Afghanistan when we’re looking for a select group of people in that country?

So I believe that our troops should be brought home out of both places where we’re obviously not having any success in Afghanistan. Osama bin Laden is still on the loose and that’s who they told us was responsible for 9/11.

i have to agree with u leader, she is in denial when it comes to Afghanistan, she is hilarious. She is destroyin her sons honor as a military man.

But my stick to my point that Saddam didnt support radical international islamic terrorist who commited violence around the world, but he commited acts of terror on his subjects,

Confed,

Israel has nuclear weapons, VANNUNU? the nuclear scientist who was abducted from UK, he revealed lot of information on their nuclear program, US isnt simply interested in Nuclear weaponization by Israel, while it is in the case of Iran, sorry i think that is double standard.

$1.8 billion dollars to the poor people palestine in 10yrs while $3 billion dollars every year to Israel, doesnt look like a neutral player to me or a fair comparison.

Israel has commited lots of human rights abuses in Palestine , google and you will find answers from worthwhile sources including amnesty international.

You cry foul, but u have to understand why France came into Afghanistan with you where it can gain nothing,and u mite say they had oil contracts in IRAQ, Iraq was about WMD, not about tryanny if that was the case USA should have helped the KURDS, in gulf war I or why did US support IRAQ against IRAN if it was so moral. sorry there are lots of double standards in US foriegn policy , and people from around the world are not fools,

Palestine wasnt always full of terrorist you know, there are reasons they became like that. though i dont agree that whatever u mite have gone thru, u should never become a terrorist

Muslim, Hindu or Christian every mother loves her children, if she is ready to scarifice them, then there must be a very very valid reason for it, again i dont agree with what they do.

but the fact is I believe palestine's people are pushed to the wall and they have no other go,

Josh

**dalem** · 22 Aug 05, 01:52

Originally Posted by Josh

But my stick to my point that Saddam didnt support radical international islamic terrorist who commited violence around the world, but he commited acts of terror on his subjects,

Sure he did. He funded Palestinian suicide bombers who killed Israelis.

There is some evidence of connections between his intelligence guys and some AQ guys.

He housed and gave haven to Abu Nidal and the like.

-dale

**~~Adux~~** · 22 Aug 05, 02:01

Originally Posted by dalem

Sure he did. He funded Palestinian suicide bombers who killed Israelis.

There is some evidence of connections between his intelligence guys and some AQ guys.

He housed and gave haven to Abu Nidal and the like.

-dale

well dale

then all the articles i have read in reputable Indian newspapers are wrong, i would like you give me some neutral credible links for that, cuz i have never seen them, tell me about him housing terrorist who attacked any other country other than Israel.

it is people with guns against people who throw stones.

Dale i have never seen an american say "u know maybe we have done some wrongs and this hatred and attacks against us maybe cuz of that or maybe one of the reasons for that.seriously dude time for some interospection.

or maybe ur foriegn policy is perfect, all the bad in the world is commited by third world, eurowussies and islamist.

Josh

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