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    Quote Originally Posted by M21Sniper
    "Then your an inconsistent hypocrite. You argue against eminent domain on one hand while arguing to deprive innocent people (who happen to be idiots) of their right to dispose of their property by any means they desire?

    Explain how you reconcile these two ideas?"

    Explain how the two are at all related.

    Is it OK to smoke pot in your home as a form or protest? Shoot meth? Can you discharge a firearm on your property in a city that has outlawed such if it's a 'form of speech'?

    No, no, and no.

    As an even more relavant example, just try and dispose of your old motor oil on your land as you see fit...see what happens to you.

    Burning a flag is no more a protected right than shooting heroin, public or private land notwithstanding.
    Discharging a firearm is completely different from doing drugs and burning a flag. The first is a direct threat against the lives of the people around you. The second and especially the third pose no threat what so ever to the rights of the citizens around you. As for oil, you should be able to dispose of it as long as it does not harm the property or lives of your neighbors. Invalid examples.

    They are related because they both concern property rights. People either have them or they don't. Your against eminent domain so you think property rights exist, while at the same time, you want to prevent someone from doing something to his property on his property that harms no one. Why?

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    It should be left up to individual state government. Self-government, I say; I particularly like this quite American idea, just as long as the federal government doesn't extend itself to ridiculous levels, like it did in the Thirties. At the very least, an amendment such as this should be put to referendum.

    My own personal view is that, regrettable, denigrative, and completely invalid as a form of argument the practice of flag-burning is, it is a form of political expression - saying nothing more constructive than 'I hate the United States', and hence should not be subject to federal control.

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    Desecration of the U.S. Flag is not limited to burning, desecration is being done every day! Wearing the flag, as was very popular in the 70's, against the flag code. Reproduction of the flag on paper goods and discarded, against the flag code. Kid Rock at a half time show wearing the flag as a cape, against the flag code. George Bush At the convention Signing his autogragh on hand held flags of his supporters, against the flag code. So, desecration of the flag is carried out all the time. Its interesting that the proposed amendment only talks about burning of the flag., Since burning of the flag is, for the most, associated with protest, it seems this is directed at free expression of protesters. Expression is a form of speech and if this amendment is ratified it will not be desecration of the flag, it will be desecration of the constitution and if the constitution is desecrated, whats the point of the flag!

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    Quote Originally Posted by porsteamboy
    Desecration of the U.S. Flag is not limited to burning, desecration is being done every day! Wearing the flag, as was very popular in the 70's, against the flag code. Reproduction of the flag on paper goods and discarded, against the flag code. Kid Rock at a half time show wearing the flag as a cape, against the flag code. George Bush At the convention Signing his autogragh on hand held flags of his supporters, against the flag code. So, desecration of the flag is carried out all the time. Its interesting that the proposed amendment only talks about burning of the flag., Since burning of the flag is, for the most, associated with protest, it seems this is directed at free expression of protesters. Expression is a form of speech and if this amendment is ratified it will not be desecration of the flag, it will be desecration of the constitution and if the constitution is desecrated, whats the point of the flag!

    Bravo Zulu. What I was thinking, just better defined. It gives this retired jarhead a headache to think in long sentences.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gun Grape
    Bravo Zulu. What I was thinking, just better defined. It gives this retired jarhead a headache to think in long sentences.
    I say Bravo Zulu to you for serving the country and protecting the constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic. Domestic
    being the key word of late.

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    Quote Originally Posted by porsteamboy
    Desecration of the U.S. Flag is not limited to burning, desecration is being done every day! Wearing the flag, as was very popular in the 70's, against the flag code. Reproduction of the flag on paper goods and discarded, against the flag code. Kid Rock at a half time show wearing the flag as a cape, against the flag code. George Bush At the convention Signing his autogragh on hand held flags of his supporters, against the flag code. So, desecration of the flag is carried out all the time. Its interesting that the proposed amendment only talks about burning of the flag., Since burning of the flag is, for the most, associated with protest, it seems this is directed at free expression of protesters. Expression is a form of speech and if this amendment is ratified it will not be desecration of the flag, it will be desecration of the constitution and if the constitution is desecrated, whats the point of the flag!
    Well spoken. Every country in the world has citizens p*ssed off at their government. In China, a flag burner would be guilty of "unpatriotic behaviour" and thrown in jail.

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