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"60 odd pages one" ?
Asty:
Conservatism is not about going back to the past. It's a vision of government as distinct as the liberal vision. Each defines the other always. Together, they form a unified whole, the body politic, and they share most basic values. But they do clash at times, mainly over the question of what government can and ought to do to solve social and other problems and over how government should manage its fiscal house.
The dynamic between them is not a struggle between past and future. It's about the present and how it came to be shaped. Over time, both visions take turns dominating the body politic. So if you say conservatism is about turning the clock back, you have to say the same about liberalism.
Politics is wheels within wheels. The biggest wheel and the slowest is the one that turns right to left, conservative to liberal, and then around again Sometime in the future, when the conservative vision has run its course, the liberal agenda will be laid before the voters. Then people will say liberals want to go back to the past.
Over my dead body.the ultimate goal is not to substitute a liberal version of social security or medicare for a conservative market-based method (although that may be an intermediate step), but to undo it altogether.
We have something in common then.that's actually something we Third Wayers like to say.
Untrue. The size of government is not the problem so much as the size of government it takes to do all the things liberals want.... the problem with the conservative-liberal split; it's more concerned about the size of government rather than the competence of government. solutions tend to be predicated on size. this dept sucks? conservative view tends to be, 'let's cut funding/eliminate it.' liberal view tends to be, 'it is underfunded.'
Last edited by JAD_333; 22 Jun 12, at 05:47.
To be Truly ignorant, Man requires an Education - Plato
DE:
"60 odd pages one" ?
To be Truly ignorant, Man requires an Education - Plato
2012 election predictions
I like that one - it's where we made our predictions and wagers.
I'm feeling very good about mine, 4 months out. Obama is performing as expected - a dithering, angry child-clown. What fresh power will he cleave unto himself next in his attempt to get his way, as stupid as his way is?
-dale
Ah, yes. That one. It was fun and more fun seeing how things turned out. I always thought Romney would take the nomination. I'm not ready to predict whether he'll win the big one. But I see a lot of positive signs. The MSM is surprisingly "interested" in him. I've seen a number of in-depth articles on his rise in business. A recent one in the Wash Post stressed his positive work ethic and his careful, collegial approach to decision-making. TIME did a cover story on his political roots, once again covering his father's rags to riches rise. The Bill Clinton and Mayor of Newark's remarks at odds with Obama's attack on Romney's business success added fuel to the fire. The CBS Face the Nation interview really showed Romney in his relaxed, one on one mode. Very impressive. His speech before the Hispanic group the other day was a tour de force and drew some positive feedback from Hispanic leaders. So, altogether things look good media-wise. Still, the polls in must-win states are running slightly in favor of Obama. I know it's too early to take the polls as an indicator of who'll win in Nov., but I had expected the bad econ news would have given Romney a slight edge. Anyway, Romney is staying squarely on message--the economy--while Obama is rope-a-doping on hot-button issues to change the subject. You can eat the Cracker Jacks, but not the prize.
To be Truly ignorant, Man requires an Education - Plato
Why It's Unlikely That A Big GOP Win Will Lead to Deficit Reduction In One Chart
quite the funny chart.
The human mind cannot grasp the causes of phenomena in the aggregate. But the need to find these causes is inherent in man’s soul. And the human intellect, without investigating the multiplicity and complexity of the conditions of phenomena, any one of which taken separately may seem to be the cause, snatches at the first, the most intelligible approximation to a cause, and says: “This is the cause!"
-Leo Tolstoy
War and Peace
Revenues.
To be Truly ignorant, Man requires an Education - Plato
Makes sense for Clinton to do that, his father was a carpet salesman.
Another reason for Clinton's remark was that he hob nobs with business leaders and rakes in a lot of corporate money for his organization. If he had seconded Obama's attack on Romney he would have teed off a lot of his contacts, many of whom have a good deal of respect for Romney's business accomplishments and intellect. Obama is trying to make Romney's success a dirty thing. That tack is for ninnies and Clinton is no ninny.
To be Truly ignorant, Man requires an Education - Plato
obama has recently changed the mode of attack against romney, now praising his business success but pointing out that the goalposts for success in business, especially in one like bain's, is different than those of the Presidency.Obama is trying to make Romney's success a dirty thing.
a better-aimed attack, i think; playing for independents now.
The human mind cannot grasp the causes of phenomena in the aggregate. But the need to find these causes is inherent in man’s soul. And the human intellect, without investigating the multiplicity and complexity of the conditions of phenomena, any one of which taken separately may seem to be the cause, snatches at the first, the most intelligible approximation to a cause, and says: “This is the cause!"
-Leo Tolstoy
War and Peace
JAD,
Do you really use the word "ninny"!?!??
Egads!
Remember that it is the Actions and not the Commission that make the Officer and that there is More expected from him than the title. – GEORGE WASHINGTON
I hadn't noticed seeing as how his first attack is the one that seems to stick out in people's minds. So Obama is rewriting the script. That's smart, and he's right: Executive techniques of business are not applicable to government. But the qualities and character a person brings to any aspect of their life will go with them when they enter into public service. And don't forget; Romney has government executive experience. Being a governor is as good an experience as you would want for a president. Obama is shaping his rap on Romney, as is to be expected, but he had better be careful. The media rap on Obama is that he's trying to deflect attention from the media. Making Romney the issue is a double edged sword.
To be Truly ignorant, Man requires an Education - Plato
I did, sir. Swell word, ain't it.JAD,
Do you really use the word "ninny"!?!??
Egads!
To be Truly ignorant, Man requires an Education - Plato
JAD,
Do you really use the word "swell"!?!?!??
The human mind cannot grasp the causes of phenomena in the aggregate. But the need to find these causes is inherent in man’s soul. And the human intellect, without investigating the multiplicity and complexity of the conditions of phenomena, any one of which taken separately may seem to be the cause, snatches at the first, the most intelligible approximation to a cause, and says: “This is the cause!"
-Leo Tolstoy
War and Peace
Whippersnapper!JAD,
Do you really use the word "swell"!?!?!??
Remember that it is the Actions and not the Commission that make the Officer and that there is More expected from him than the title. – GEORGE WASHINGTON
Sure, don't you, whippersnapper.JAD,
Do you really use the word "swell"!?!?!??
To be Truly ignorant, Man requires an Education - Plato
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