Thread: Don't we have bigger issues to deal with than the size of some soft drink?

Originally Posted by omon

i assume they tie the size of the drink with health problems, that many overweight ppl have, like diabetes, hbp, clogged arteries........, than those issues lead to other issues, a vicious circle
well, imo, it wont work, half of the ppl living today would not survive 100 years ago, children that wouldn't make a week before, survive now and live on medications all their life, and they grow up, and have children of their own, that get their parents weak genes, and health problems. we stay oin the way of natural selection, and now pay the price. and limiting snacks in schools, or size of the coke cup, wont do a thing.
obviously no one is gona let kids die, and sick ppl will live long as long as they get their meds, this is the situation at hand, no one can change that, especially politicians with thir laws. what a waste of money most of them are.

Of course it won't solve the obesity problem. But that shows you the thinking pattern of a typical liberal. He will pass a law to solve a problem which he perceives was caused by an object.

Got some shootings? Ban guns.

Got fat people? Ban soft drinks.

Got gangs? Ban street side gatherings.

Got air pollution? Ban lightbulbs.

Got a hole in the ozone layer? Ban CFC.

I'm not sure if they truly believe these laws would solve the problems. But at least they can campaign on that they tried to do something, regardless if it makes sense or not.

So NY wants to ban soft drinks bigger than 16 oz.

Guess I'll just have to order 2 drinks instead of one.

Do they also plan to ban "Free refills"?


Idiot.

i have not seen a place that gives free refils, in nyc in decade, only tgif friday, still refils for free, even mcdonald and burger king remodel their places so the soda fountan is behind the counter now, you can't fill it yourself, and in "subway" restarant they will tell you not to refill, if they see you do it.

Originally Posted by omon

i have not seen a place that gives free refils, in nyc in decade, only tgif friday, still refils for free, even mcdonald and burger king remodel their places so the soda fountan is behind the counter now, you can't fill it yourself, and in "subway" restarant they will tell you not to refill, if they see you do it.

Wow that blows!

For once I am glad I am in California. People don't visit any restaurant without free refills. I usually get a 32 oz. drink and then refill it before I leave so I have one for the road.

Recently Regal cinemas near my place switched to free refills. Imagine if you were a kid. Go to the theater on a hot summer afternoon. Buy a drink and then get free refills while you theater-hop for the rest of the day. Dude...I wish I were a kid again.

I dunno how it is where you are but in theaters in the valley, just buy a large popcorn and you can get unlimted refills on the popcorn, no questions asked.

Hell, I've seen some kids dump all the popcorn into his paper tray for his consumption and then try to peddle the empty popcorn bag for a few bucks.

Originally Posted by YellowFever

I dunno how it is where you are but in theaters in the valley, just buy a large popcorn and you can get unlimted refills on the popcorn, no questions asked.

Hell, I've seen some kids dump all the popcorn into his paper tray for his consumption and then try to peddle the empty popcorn bag for a few bucks.

We have that here too. But I have never seen kids sell an empty large popcorn container for a few bucks. That must be a theater in the po' folks' place.

NYC should ban large popcorn. But wait...the popcorn was popped using non-transfat canola oil, cleared by the ever wise bureaucrats at every level for human consumption. Anything blessed by the government cannot cause obesity, no matter how much people consume.

Originally Posted by gunnut

Got a hole in the ozone layer? Ban CFC.

I'm not sure if they truly believe these laws would solve the problems. But at least they can campaign on that they tried to do something, regardless if it makes sense or not.

The CFC ban has allowed the ozone holes to begin healing, though at the risk of increased warming...

Banning DDT saved the Bald Eagle, banning lead paint and leaded gas have also had positive impacts. Likewise banning snake oils like mercury filled anti-freckle creams, cocaine in cococola, opium in laudnum... Bans are not necessarily bad.

Originally Posted by gunnut

Wow that blows!

For once I am glad I am in California. People don't visit any restaurant without free refills. I usually get a 32 oz. drink and then refill it before I leave so I have one for the road.

Recently Regal cinemas near my place switched to free refills. Imagine if you were a kid. Go to the theater on a hot summer afternoon. Buy a drink and then get free refills while you theater-hop for the rest of the day. Dude...I wish I were a kid again.

Man, you don't ask much from life.

[QUOTE=zraver;874974]

Banning DDT saved the Bald Eagle,

Lie.

Bald Eagle-DDT Myth Still Flying High | Fox News

-dale

I think we can all agree that banning over the counter sales of nerve agents like VX is a good thing. No one is disputing that some substances are best restricted. But the line must be drawn somewhere, and I'd suggest a legal product like a soft drink is well below that line.

I can go into a liquor store and buy 5 gallons of rum... but I can't buy a big gulp? This one needs to be revisited.

Great, there goes the rum (again)!

Is there a size ban on alcohol? Or cigs?

Is there a limit on 16 oz packages one can buy?

And finally wtf this dude thinks, banning jumbo packs, but still allowing people to drink soda on the streets, bars, cinemas...

Totally OT: I used to think rum was a kid's drink. Then I tried a pair of Central American rums. One is very expensive, the other is remarkably cheap, yet exceptionally good.

The cheap stuff:



"One Barrel" from Belize Travellers, from Ye Olde British Honduras. Hints of spice, like Capt. Morgan, except the spice is natural, not added. aromas of caramel and maple. Smoky. You can taste the cane fields. 1.75 liters runs about $18 in Belize.

The high quality stuff is Zacapa, from Guatemala. Identified by the straw band around every bottle. Much more expensive, but truly superb. Typically $45 for a liter for the average aged stuff.

Both of these, like a fine tequila, can (and should be) enjoyed neat. No coke, no fruity weirdness must interfere with your communion with the sugar cane.

[QUOTE=dalem;875000]

Originally Posted by zraver

Lie.

Bald Eagle-DDT Myth Still Flying High | Fox News

-dale

"U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service biologists fed large doses of DDT to captive bald eagles for 112 days and concluded that “DDT residues encountered by eagles in the environment would not adversely affect eagles or their eggs,”

Z- 112 days of (assuming) adult eagles of a bird that lives for decades? Good science uses multi-year studies that look for multiple explanations.

"One of the most notorious DDT “factoids” is that it thinned bird egg shells. But a 1970 study published in Pesticides Monitoring Journal reported that DDT residues in bird egg shells were not correlated with thinning. Numerous other feeding studies on caged birds indicate that DDT isn’t associated with egg shell thinning."

z- We know shell thickness before and and after widespread use of DDT are not the same.

"In the few studies claiming to implicate DDT as the cause of thinning, the birds were fed diets that were either low in calcium, included other known egg shell-thinning substances, or that contained levels of DDT far in excess of levels that would be found in the environment – and even then, the massive doses produced much less thinning than what had been found in egg shells in the wild."

z- Nature. 1995 Jun 15;375(6532):581-5.
Persistent DDT metabolite p,p'-DDE is a potent androgen receptor antagonist.
Kelce WR, Stone CR, Laws SC, Gray LE, Kemppainen JA, Wilson EM.
Source

Reproductive Toxicology Branch, US Environmental Protection Agency, Research Triangle Park, North Carolina 27711, USA.
Abstract

The increase in the number of reports of abnormalities in male sex development in wildlife and humans coincided with the introduction of 'oestrogenic' chemicals such as DDT (1,1,1-trichloro-2,2-bis(p-chlorophenyl)ethane) into the environment. Although these phenotypic alterations are thought to be mediated by the oestrogen receptor, they are also consistent with inhibition of androgen receptor-mediated events. Here we report that the major and persistent DDT metabolite, p,p'-DDE (1,1-dichloro-2,2-bis(p-chlorophenyl)ethylene), has little ability to bind the oestrogen receptor, but inhibits androgen binding to the androgen receptor, androgen-induced transcriptional activity, and androgen action in developing, pubertal and adult male rats. The results suggest that abnormalities in male sex development induced by p,p'-DDE and related environmental chemicals may be mediated at the level of the androgen receptor.

Acta Pharmacol Toxicol (Copenh). 1980 Nov;47(5):377-84.
Comparison of p-p'-DDE and o-p'-DDE on eggshell thickness and Ca binding activity of shell gland in ducks.
Lundholm CE.
Abstract

One of the main ecotoxicological effects of DDT and its stable metabolite DDE is to reduce the reproductive success in several species of birds by decreasing the thickness of the eggshell. In two different strains of ducks (Anas platyrhynchos var.) addition of 40 mg/kg dry weight of p-p'-DDE to the diet for 45 days produced a significant and long-lasting reduction of the shell thickness, measured as eggshell index. The reduction was more marked in Indian Runner Ducks (IRD; 30 +/- 3%) than in a Swedish X Rouen breed (SR; 10 +/- 2%. The p-p'-DDE residues in the egg yolk + egg white were almost similar in the two strains; 38 +/- 2 and 51 +/- 6 p.p.m. (wet weight) respectively. In the IRD 40 mg/kg of o-p'-DDE in the diet for 45 days was much less potent in reducing the eggshell index (8 +/- 3%) than the p-p' isomer; the amount of residue of the o-p' isomer in the eggs (2.2 +/- 0.1 p.p.m.) was also smaller. A homogenate of the shell gland from the SR breed accumulated 45Ca2+ in the presence of ATP. The accumulation was inhibited about 50% by 5 mM sodium azide and 100% by 3 mM mersalyl. p-p'- and o-p'-DDE in the incubation medium both reduced the Ca2+ binding, in a similar and dose-dependent manner. The threshold concentration was about 20 p.p.m.; 40 p.p.m. reduced the accumulation by about 40%. DDE may reduce eggshell thickness by inhibiting the Ca binding to the membranes of the cells of the eggshell gland.

Seems like your source really is junk science and Fox has mud on its face.