Thread: Mitt Romney and the character question

Originally Posted by dalem

Would you not agree that part of a congresscritter's job is to act in support of the ideologies of his or her constituency?



You introduced a quote that spoke of people's opinions of Clinton and Reagan. I thought that was because you might be making assumptions about my opinions of Clinton and Reagan.



Of course not.



Like, hate, and indifference are different words with different meanings. Semantics are kind of key there.

Like I said, I've done it plenty of times before -

Not liking America very much: lowered flags in outposts, apologizing abroad, being a superpower "whether we want to be or not", 100% critical of America's history and methods and outcomes.

Not liking average Americans very much: clinging to guns and religion, efforts to manuever bloc A against bloc B, little understanding of common American themes ("corpse"man, NASA = Muslim outreach, hand over heart for Pledge), calling out individuals from the bully pulpit for criticism.

Chip on shoulder RE Whitey: Cambridge cops "acting stupidly", Trayvon Williams, Holder's DOJ "nation of cowards" comment, Black Panthers, being able to tolerate Rev. Wright for 10 years and have him baptize daughters and be a mentor, etc.

-dale

Would you not agree that part of a congresscritter's job is to act in support of the ideologies of his or her constituency?


Yes. However, it is also their job to find ways to work with others in congress and the two job descriptions are not mutually exclusive.





LOL. Dale you can find meanings and negativity in anyone depending on your point of view and how you want to perceive people. Lack of perfection and a humility does not equate to dissing the country. Take the Cambridge cops acting stupidly. Obama: Cambridge Cops "Acted Stupidly" In Prof. Gates Arrest - YouTube Obama made it clear that since a friend was involved he was biased and that not all the facts are in yet. He then showed what the cops did that was good before telling the audience where he thinks the cops dropped the ball. At this point because of your clear bias against Obama I could speculate that if Obama didn't defend his friend you would have accused Obama of throwing a friend under the bus and if he did such a thing to "his friend" he would do the same to the country.

"Winning the hearts and minds" of the people in the M.E. was an ideal in the Bush administration. That must have really bugged you huh? The fact is that Muslims are a huge block of people in the world and like it or not we have to deal with them. We really have two choices here. Separate the radical and extremest factions of muslims so we can have a useful dialog with the rest, or we can simply bring out the genocide genie and take them ALL out. Turning our backs on them or showing a fist is only going to create more terrorist. What say you Dale? reach out a hand or shoot them all?

I married into a Catholic family and had to do the catholic thing for a few years. My kids were even baptized in the catholic church. The priest there signed a letter of reference so I can get a concealed weapon license. Once I finally found a church more suited my family and I left. Am I a catholic? NO. There are many many things that the Catholic church does that I absolutely do not agree with. I was only there because it was easier on my wife and with the relations with the in laws until a better place can be found. Therefore I can see how easy it is to get some misperceptions about people. I haven't set foot in a catholic service for over 12 years and there are still people on the street that think I am a catholic even though I never was.

I know your ideas about Obama are not going to change and that you even believe that these things about Obama must be true, but you have yet to come up with anything concrete, only conjecture based on your opinion of him.

Originally Posted by bonehead

Would you not agree that part of a congresscritter's job is to act in support of the ideologies of his or her constituency?


Yes. However, it is also their job to find ways to work with others in congress and the two job descriptions are not mutually exclusive.

Mm, sometimes they are, like when the Spend A Lot of Money We Don't Have party comes up against the Maybe We Could Spend Only Some Money That We Don't Have.

LOL. Dale you can find meanings and negativity in anyone depending on your point of view and how you want to perceive people. Lack of perfection and a humility does not equate to dissing the country. Take the Cambridge cops acting stupidly. Obama: Cambridge Cops "Acted Stupidly" In Prof. Gates Arrest - YouTube Obama made it clear that since a friend was involved he was biased and that not all the facts are in yet. He then showed what the cops did that was good before telling the audience where he thinks the cops dropped the ball. At this point because of your clear bias against Obama I could speculate that if Obama didn't defend his friend you would have accused Obama of throwing a friend under the bus and if he did such a thing to "his friend" he would do the same to the country.

At that point I would merely be wondering what the fuck a sitting President is doing publicly judging the actions of local law enforcement.

"Winning the hearts and minds" of the people in the M.E. was an ideal in the Bush administration. That must have really bugged you huh? The fact is that Muslims are a huge block of people in the world and like it or not we have to deal with them. We really have two choices here. Separate the radical and extremest factions of muslims so we can have a useful dialog with the rest, or we can simply bring out the genocide genie and take them ALL out. Turning our backs on them or showing a fist is only going to create more terrorist. What say you Dale? reach out a hand or shoot them all?

That's exactly not my point, thank you. Regardless of what my point is, defining NASA as a Muslim outreach program is quite stupid and downplays the unparalleled achievements of the American space program. Which actually WAS part of my point.

I married into a Catholic family and had to do the catholic thing for a few years. My kids were even baptized in the catholic church. The priest there signed a letter of reference so I can get a concealed weapon license. Once I finally found a church more suited my family and I left. Am I a catholic? NO. There are many many things that the Catholic church does that I absolutely do not agree with. I was only there because it was easier on my wife and with the relations with the in laws until a better place can be found. Therefore I can see how easy it is to get some misperceptions about people. I haven't set foot in a catholic service for over 12 years and there are still people on the street that think I am a catholic even though I never was.

A) they are right to think so - it is an easy and correct assumption to make.

B) Did you write a book espousing the Catholic Church's ideas? Did you dedicate that book to the Church?

I know your ideas about Obama are not going to change and that you even believe that these things about Obama must be true, but you have yet to come up with anything concrete, only conjecture based on your opinion of him.

Actually, I think publicly recorded statements, policies, writings, and actions are all quite concrete. If one if us has an opinion about Obama based on mere belief, it is not I.

-dale

Originally Posted by dalem

Mm, sometimes they are, like when the Spend A Lot of Money We Don't Have party comes up against the Maybe We Could Spend Only Some Money That We Don't Have.



At that point I would merely be wondering what the fuck a sitting President is doing publicly judging the actions of local law enforcement.



That's exactly not my point, thank you. Regardless of what my point is, defining NASA as a Muslim outreach program is quite stupid and downplays the unparalleled achievements of the American space program. Which actually WAS part of my point.



A) they are right to think so - it is an easy and correct assumption to make.

B) Did you write a book espousing the Catholic Church's ideas? Did you dedicate that book to the Church?



Actually, I think publicly recorded statements, policies, writings, and actions are all quite concrete. If one if us has an opinion about Obama based on mere belief, it is not I.

-dale

"A) they are right to think so - it is an easy and correct assumption to make.

B) Did you write a book espousing the Catholic Church's ideas? Did you dedicate that book to the Church?"


That only shows the danger of making assumptions, In the case of Obama it was a smear tactic.




"At that point I would merely be wondering what the fuck a sitting President is doing publicly judging the actions of local law enforcement."


A reporter asked the question and he answered it. What part of the Q&A do you not understand? Where is it written that a President can't have an opinion about something that happened to a friend? Would you rather Obama took the reporter behind closed doors so you can bitch about a lack of transparency?




"Actually, I think publicly recorded statements, policies, writings, and actions are all quite concrete. If one if us has an opinion about Obama based on mere belief, it is not I."


I am sure you believe that.

Originally Posted by bonehead

"A) they are right to think so - it is an easy and correct assumption to make.

B) Did you write a book espousing the Catholic Church's ideas? Did you dedicate that book to the Church?"


That only shows the danger of making assumptions, In the case of Obama it was a smear tactic.

It's not a smear, it's a question about his character. Who one chooses to associate with, and how, makes a difference.

"At that point I would merely be wondering what the fuck a sitting President is doing publicly judging the actions of local law enforcement."


A reporter asked the question and he answered it. What part of the Q&A do you not understand? Where is it written that a President can't have an opinion about something that happened to a friend? Would you rather Obama took the reporter behind closed doors so you can bitch about a lack of transparency?

I would rather he said something adult and professional and respectful and neutral, like "I don't want to say anything until all the facts are in." But he couldn't say that because he got no class. He's a mouthy punk.

"Actually, I think publicly recorded statements, policies, writings, and actions are all quite concrete. If one if us has an opinion about Obama based on mere belief, it is not I."


I am sure you believe that.

Hey, that's my line!

So which part of my statement are you sure I believe, the first sentence or the second?

-dale