Agree as well. Likely half the government was hiding him and the other half was doing it's best to ignore it.Originally Posted by S2
Thats a point that hasn't popped up here yet. He could have chosen a means of doing this that carried no risk of repeating the Iran fiasco & blowing up in his face - bombing. He took the better & more risky option (for him). Not exactly Truman & the A bomb, but worthy of a 'golf clap'.
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He was never too far from his safe haven in Pakistan. It is very difficult to target one man in a vast area where you are protected by millions of eyes and ears. Thankfully diligence payed off and the job was completed. I see on the BBC that Mr President is in Afghanistan on the eve of OBL's deliverence to his 72 virgins. I hope they turn out to be all male wrestlers on viagra.
The delicious irony was how he spent the last several years of his life.
- Watching his organization being dismantled via high explosives,
- It's reputation ruined in the Arab/Muslim community through it's own actions
- The "Arab Spring", overthrowing the very governments he was trying to bring down, popping up out of nowhere, without al-Qaida's assistance and spurning the al-Qaida philosophy.
- Zero follow-up mission to 9/11 of anything approaching that scale, because...
- His ideas for a 9/11 follow-up mission were consistently thwarted by his subordinates pleading lack of resources.
- His experienced lieutenants and promising up-and-coming talent being hunted down and executed like dogs on the run, leaving an organization of mostly greenhorns and amateurs.
- His "luxury" compound was apparently unheated and probably just a few steps more comfortable than the cave he was purported to be hiding in.
- His activities consisted of filming the livestock on the property and himself watching the news
- His freedom of movement was literally non-existent to the point that his own neighbors were clueless as to his presence.
And finally, after years of apparently safety, without the slightest warning, a dozen commandos suddenly appear out of thin air and sweep through his home like a harvester in a wheat field.
It's one thing to kill the man, but dismantling everything he had ever inspired and founded is even better. Death of legacy is for these people a fate worse than death itself. I say we continue to oblige.
"Draft beer, not people."
Well, one thing.... Obama has more of a claim on saving GM than the other guy out on the campaign trail claiming he saved GM.......you know Flip Romney
Where free unions and collective bargaining are forbidden, freedom is lost.”
~Ronald Reagan
zraver,
You are entirely correct: it was Bush, and not Obama, who blew up the economy, drove unemployment into double-digits and sat through the Summer of ’08 doing as little as possible while the world teetered on the brink of disaster.
GM lost $10.6 billion in 2005, and a year later asked for government assistance. The Bush Administration said no. In 2007, it lost $38.7 billion, and in 2008 projected that it would run out of cash in 2009.
December 2, 2008: GM submitted it restructuring plan to the House and Senate. Congress said no, but the Bush Administration provided a bridging loan.
December 19, 2008: President Bush approved $13.4 billion in TARRP financing and a $4 billion line of credit (combined) for the two automakers.
December 31, 2008: GM and Treasury agree on the terms of an agreement to protect owner warranties.
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March 27, 2009: Treasury advanced a secure loan of $360.6 million, plus $24.1 million against warranty liabilities.
March 29, 2009: Treasury provided financial guarantees of up to $360.6 million.
March 30, 2009: President Obama turned down GM’s request for assistance. The next day, stories began to emerge that the US Government would invest up to $50 billion for a 60% stake.
June 1, 2009: GM files for Chapter 11 protection.
April 21, 2010: GM repays the US Treasury (and Canadian Government) ahead of schedule, and with interest. The total was $8.1 billion. The US still has equity valued at $45 billion, and Canada $8.1 billion.
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The part of Mr Obama’s record that isn’t getting enough attention is his having reduced new weekly unemployment claims further, and farther than any previous president going back to 1967 when such numbers were first gathered.
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DOR,
bush didn't blow up the economy-- the root causes of the great recession spanned through multiple presidencies, to include bush.You are entirely correct: it was Bush, and not Obama, who blew up the economy, drove unemployment into double-digits and sat through the Summer of ’08 doing as little as possible while the world teetered on the brink of disaster.
bush also pushed for the bailout.
now i've pretty much exhausted the positive role which bush played throughout the crisis. towards the end he did not do enough, as he either wanted to "leave the big decisions up to his successor", or less kindly, washed his hands of the matter.
also, our current fiscal situation would have been considerably better without the 2001 tax cuts (or at least with a paired down version of the tax cuts), or without the grandiose "remake the middle east" plan.
obama, OTOH, has generally not been aggressive enough on the jobs issue. that should have come first; healthcare needed to be addressed as part of the deficit, and that should have come after the immediate emergency was over.
but there should be no false equivalency on the matter. obama's claims are exaggerated, but nothing close to the level of exaggeration we see from the GOP.
There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "My ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."¯- Isaac Asimov
Exaggeration about what?
-dale
ie, republicans calling obama a socialist, for starters. or how the ACA is going to lead us all to socialized medicine, or death panels, etc.Exaggeration about what?
There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "My ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."¯- Isaac Asimov
Ahh, the truth. Gotcha.
-dale
and his legacy a delegitimized AQ in ther Arab world with a bloody hiostory of violence against muslims and an indeterminate number of double agents. despite my feelings on Iraq being a real political blunder the Bush/Obama legacy on AQ is a shared succuss story and imo anyone who can't see it is a shared succuss is to partisan to really judge any political event
Where free unions and collective bargaining are forbidden, freedom is lost.”
~Ronald Reagan
Dale could you explain how HCR is socialism? I found it a disgusting co-opting of previous republican proposals that while increasing coverage relied so heavily on the inefficent for profit insurance model it is only a stop gap to a real fix
Where free unions and collective bargaining are forbidden, freedom is lost.”
~Ronald Reagan
You want me to explain how nationalizing the health care industry is a socialist concept? You need some help with 2+2 as well?
-dale
Far be it from me to interfere and remember i'm a fan of socialised medicine in NZ but your HCR is socialism.
The mechanism is socialist because it is govt mandated. The method(s) are irrelevant as is their efficiency, the point is the govt has now assumed control. In fact the poorer the delivery hence forth, the greater the options for the govt to further interfere.
You've crossed the rubicon, welcome to the club.
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