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    Barack Obama vs. Mitt Romney: Self-restraint in an age of rage

    Barack Obama vs. Mitt Romney: Self-restraint in an age of rage


    American politics has become so angry and divisive that it favors candidates who appeal to extremists and eccentrics, and even are extremist and eccentric themselves.
    The nonstop circus of modern campaigns, meanwhile, has left the county’s most accomplished and capable people on the sidelines, with scant interest in running for office.

    Or so the argument goes.
    But something strange — or rather something normal — is happening in 2012.
    One of the most familiar refrains from this age of polarization — that rhetorical bombast and ideological zealotry are what carry politicians to the top — is running headlong into the reality of Barack Obama versus Mitt Romney.
    The general election will pit one exceptionally self-contained, self-disciplined, self-motivated man against another with precisely the same traits.
    Voters have a choice between two men whose minds gravitate to rationality and logic — both of whom have expressed disdain for the disorder and surliness that pervade modern governance.
    There may be more than coincidence at work with this seeming paradox. During a time when politics is defined by media saturation and relentless attacks, there is a premium on politicians who live by an ethic of constant self-control.
    Whatever the reason, the prospect of Obama and Romney sitting atop national politics this year is challenging all sorts of conventional notions.
    The center, it is widely asserted, has collapsed in American politics. Yet this fall will feature two nominees trying to convince supporters that they are wedded passionately to partisan principles — despite long records from both men suggesting they are more interested in practical difference-splitting to get things done.
    This is an age of rage, by all accounts, with strains of populism and a disdain for elites animating both parties. But this same age is serving up a presidential contest featuring two men who took their graduate degrees at Harvard. (There has been an Ivy League degree held by at least one of the nominees in every presidential election since 1988.)
    And there’s also this old standby: The most talented people just are not interested in politics.
    Whatever one thinks of Obama or Romney, it is a fact that since both men were in their twenties, they were recognized by peers and elders alike as men of unusual promise. Both , for better or worse, are supremely products of the great American meritocratic obstacle course. Before seeking the presidency, they both had in hand the most shimmering credentials — governor, senator, university professor, businessman — that our society uses to sift and tag its brightest talents.
    And, as both parties and both presidential campaigns gear up well-rehearsed programs to demonize the other side’s nominee, let’s try this one on for size: This year’s political process has produced two decent and well-adjusted nominees.
    There’s no doubt that many people find Obama and Romney genuinely unlikable and misguided people. It’s possible that Obama and Romney genuinely think this of each other.
    But this reality can’t trump another: In the larger sense, both men over the course of decades have established reputations among people who know them best as good and conscientious people. Both have raised, or are raising, attractive children in strong families.

    And nothing in the known biographies of either man suggests the mania and neurosis and tendency toward melodrama that is a signature of the modern presidency.
    Can the partisans who most dislike Obama or Romney imagine learning that they carried on affairs with teenagers or shared a girlfriend with a mobster, as was true of John F. Kennedy?

    Is it likely that aides to Obama or Romney might become so alarmed by their angry and paranoid-sounding ravings that they would wonder, as some of Lyndon Johnson’s aides wondered, whether the boss had gone clinically unhinged?
    One has to squint very hard to imagine them using the IRS as a political weapon, or fulminating against Jews, or plotting criminal conspiracies from the Oval Office, as Richard Nixon did.
    Even by more recent standards, neither Romney nor Obama seems likely to replicate Bill Clinton’s sprawling soap opera, or George W. Bush’s penchant for rigidity or religiously scented certitude.
    After all, it was Romney who declared at a GOP primary debate in December: “I’m not a bomb thrower, rhetorically or literally.” And it was Obama who told the country virtually as soon as he took office, at the height of outrage over bonuses at bailed-out companies, that he took “a couple of days [to respond] because I like to know what I’m talking about before I speak.”
    The question echoes: How could an era of volatile, flamboyant politics produce two subdued and steady-as-she-goes nominees?
    There are several explanations:
    The actuarial tables favor disciplined, rational politicians — even if it doesn’t always seem that way.
    One distinguishing feature of modern politics is the lavish rewards — cable TV exposure, contributions, the love of activists — that come to politicians willing to engage in ideological and rhetorical extremes.
    But it’s also true that there are large penalties for politicians who make mistakes navigating these extremes.
    Obama won a hard-fought nomination battle in 2008 in large measure because his campaign was more disciplined and focused — and made fewer mistakes — than Hillary Clinton’s did.
    Romney has effectively clinched his party’s nomination — despite inspiring little ardor among the GOP’s conservative base — because he was simply more relentless in saying and doing what needed to be said in the daily message battle.
    He made gaffes — dumb comments about his wife’s Cadillacs or his friendship with NASCAR owners — and he lost big primary battles. But over time, Romney’s self-control defined his primary campaign more than his lack of self-awareness. No one has wondered whether Romney is “stable”— which is more than can be said for Newt Gingrich, whose temperament Romney surrogates routinely criticized.
    And he made far fewer rhetorical and strategic errors than Gingrich or Rick Santorum, much less — in what now seems like the distant past — Michele Bachmann or Herman Cain or Tim Pawlenty or Rick Perry.
    The American electorate is calmer — and more self-regulating — than meets the eye.
    The anger and dissatisfaction with politicians — and lots of other elites in business and the media — is not feigned. The frustrations are grounded in substantive failures of many elite institutions.
    But the evidence of 2012 is that there is a big difference between a voter being intrigued or thrilled by a flamboyant politician — a Bachmann or Cain — and their belief that this person should really be taken seriously as a potential president.
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    Obama's way angrier than Nixon - he's always scowling and scolding and overbearing. Basically he's an a$$hole. Nice of Politico to ignore that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dalem View Post
    Obama's way angrier than Nixon - he's always scowling and scolding and overbearing. Basically he's an a$$hole. Nice of Politico to ignore that.

    -dale
    And why are we not surprised to hear that? Sure man, tell us how you really feel. Don't hold anything back. Just let it all out.

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    An interesting and though provoking piece.

    I think it's good at times to strip away all the politics of the candidates and simply look at them as citizens. Character transcends politics. If one thinks about it, it is better that two good people run for every office. That way, if your choice loses, not all is lost. I was a poly sci major and I will always remember one of my profs saying that we can have only one leader at a time and whether or not we agree with him, he is still our leader. Having said that, I hope Romney beats the piss out of Obama.


    PS: You can edit out the last 2 paragraphs...duplicated...
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    Good article, it is sort of calming to see that that take - two choices that aren't as different as past elections- I hope it does signify a change in the way things have been going.
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    The center, it is widely asserted, has collapsed in American politics.
    Only by people who mistake colour & movement for substance. The Center isn't as noisy or self-righteous or 'all about me' as the edges, but it is still there & it remains the place where elections are won & lost. The 'silent majority' is still around. Thats why the organizational wing of the GOP has been praying Romney gets the nod & the White House has been praying for anyone but.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dalem View Post
    Obama's way angrier than Nixon - he's always scowling and scolding and overbearing. Basically he's an a$$hole. Nice of Politico to ignore that.

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    He wearies me. I just want him gone into mocking obscurity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JAD_333 View Post
    Having said that, I hope Romney beats the piss out of Obama.


    I don't believe Obama is as disciplined as Romney, and this will have to be a disciplined fight.

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    speaking from a party politics POV, romney's political organization has not impressed me much. he came in as the establishment figure with more money, more organization, and previous experience running for Prez than every other candidate. then we proceeded to see the republicans go through every OTHER possible candidate before finally giving it up as a bad job and selecting romney. rather like hillary in 08, only at least romney won. on the other hand, republicans tend to support the establishment figure a lot more than dems, too.

    absent a serious economic drop, my prediction for obama spanking romney will still hold. it won't be as much as obama beating mccain but it won't be much of a squeaker.
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    Quote Originally Posted by astralis View Post
    speaking from a party politics POV, romney's political organization has not impressed me much.
    Facing a slew of opponents in a marathon primary and a sharply divided party is hardly a failure of organization. His making it through looks pretty impressive to me.
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    facing down the likes of such noted politicos as perry, cain, gingrich, santorum et al? frankly, romney had a far harder time of it than he -should- have had.
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    Quote Originally Posted by astralis View Post
    facing down the likes of such noted politicos as perry, cain, gingrich, santorum et al? frankly, romney had a far harder time of it than he -should- have had.
    But he hasn't emerged from all of that damaged in any way. No revealed bastard children, KKK meetings, tantrums, Che posters in the closet, etc. Whereas Obama has his awful record in office hanging around his neck.

    I'm not the most sophisticated political consumer out there, but when one of the worst comments about one's candidate is that "he's a little bland", I think that's pretty darned good.

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    A few of my observations/opinions (most, but not all, of it stated by others in the thread):

    • Romney was the only electable candidate in the bunch
    • Romney should not have had such a hard time in the primary
    • Romney didn't do himself any favors with his "I'm out of touch with John Q Public" comments
    • The GOP has more or less handed Obama his victory with the events of their primary
    • Obama doesn't really compare to Nixon when it comes to anger, scowling etc, but then again I don't think anybody does
    • Furthermore, while Obama can definitely scowl, Nixon never had to deal with the absurdity of the "Birther" movement, nor an opposition party who, in the middle of the worst economic/employment crisis since the Great Depression, stated that their highest priority was the downfall of the incumbent president. Nice priorities there you assholes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TopHatter View Post
    A few of my observations/opinions (most, but not all, of it stated by others in the thread):

    Romney didn't do himself any favors with his "I'm out of touch with John Q Public" comments
    This more than anything else about him is what really stuck with me. I am clearly not on his radar screen at all so he is not on my radar screen at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by astralis View Post
    facing down the likes of such noted politicos as perry, cain, gingrich, santorum et al? frankly, romney had a far harder time of it than he -should- have had.
    So, how could he have had an easier time than he did?

    This is the season of the Tea Party and evangelical conservatives. For an ex-governor of a liberal New England state with a moderate record and authorship of the health care system Obamacare is modeled after to come out ahead of a pack of die-hard conservatives is nothing short of incredible.

    Even without the gaffs and stiff reserve, he would have had a tough time. If he was such a shoo in, why the hell did so many hell-bent-for-leather conservatives run against him? Yeah, they figured he could be beat because he wasn't conservative enough.
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