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    Oakland shooting: seven dead after gunman opens fire at college

    (Guardian April 03, 2012)

    Seven people have been killed and at least three more injured in a shooting at a private university in Oakland, California.

    Police said a suspect had been detained after the attack, which happened just after 10.30am local time on Monday at Oikos University. He was named as One Goh, 43, and described as a former student at the college.

    Local media reports said the incident began when a man opened fire at Oikos, a Korean religious college offering studies in theology, music, nursing, and Asian medicine.

    Oakland police spokeswoman Johnna Watson said a gunman entered the college and fired multiple shots. "I can confirm that we do have one person who has been detained that we believe is possibly responsible for this shooting," Watson said.

    Emergency crews treated some of the wounded at the scene, while others were taken away by ambulances. Pictures showed at least four of the dead had been covered with tarps on an area of grass near the building.

    "We're still evacuating the interior of the school. Our first priority is to evacuate the injured. Right now the Swat team is searching the school," she said.

    The death toll reached six, according to city council president Larry Reid, who said he was told the count by the police chief. Shortly afterwards a total of seven dead was confirmed. Officials from a nearby hospital said they were treating a number of people from the shooting.

    Watson said: "We are interviewing the witnesses right now to try to determine if this person is known to them."

    A spokeswoman for Highland hospital said it had received five casualties.

    Footage broadcast by the local ABC affiliate showed wounded people being brought out of the building, and more gurneys being taken in. The footage also showed bloodied victims on stretchers being loaded into ambulances.

    Officers surrounded the building and a specialist Swat team went through it room by room. The suspect had been described to them as a Korean man in his 40s with a heavy build and wearing khaki clothing.

    "One of the people who was inside the building, she was saying there is a crazy guy inside," witness Brian Snow told KGO-TV. "She did say someone got shot in the chest right next to her before she got taken off in an ambulance."

    Offices of a local newspaper, the Oakland Tribune, were locked down during the incident. After the lockdown was lifted, the paper updated a report on its website to quote Jong Kim, a pastor who founded the school about 10 years ago, as saying he heard about 30 shots. "I stayed in my office," he said, imitating the sound of rapid gunfire.

    A man who works in the IT department of the superior court of California, whose offices are near the scene, added, "A few people inside [our building] heard shots, and then there was a huge crowd outside."

    Several local media reports said that the suspect was detained nearby in the Alameda district. The area was cordoned off with yellow police tape.

    An English teacher at the school, Lucas Garcia, 33, told the San Francisco Chronicle he heard shots down the hall from the room where he was teaching. "I looked outside the door and someone said, 'Somebody has a gun,'" Garcia said. "So I evacuated the classroom."

    Angie Johnson, 52, told the Chronicle that she saw a young woman leave the building with blood coming from her arm and crying: "I've been shot. I've been shot."

    The injured woman said the gunman was a man in her nursing class who got up and shot one person at point-blank range in the chest before spraying the room with bullets, Johnson said.

    The Oakland tragedy comes just over a month after a student in Ohio opened fire in a high school cafeteria, killing three students in the deadliest shooting incident at a US high school in six years.
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    Too bad no one else had a gun to pop the guy with. Stay classy, "gun free zones".

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    as much as i think the "gun free zone" thing is silly, for some reason, i doubt people at a korean christian college would be packing heat either way...
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    These recent school shootings are further testament for the need to actively observe for warning signs to would-be shooters, and the need for law enforcement to reassess their strategy to keep the peace. Condolences to the families of the deceased.
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    Gents,there is nothing to reassess.There is an astronomical number of loonies of the visible sort and an even bigger number of those that aren't observable.Yes,it pays to be aware,it pays even more if you're trained and equipped to observe and neutralize a threat.But unless you're a war veteran,SF,close protection operative,policeman or other similar things,you're not going to be always in alert.Is not humanely possible.And it will happen with a knife if the loonie has no gun.Life sucks.

    Btw,a sort of censorship on this sort of events,just like in the case of terrorist acts might work.Every failure in life has a guaranteed 15 minutes of fame if he kills random people.Even crazies have a rationale for their acts, crazy as it is.
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    My Sympathies to the families of the dead and wounded. Rot in hell to the perp.
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    I have to agree, "lone wolf" profiles are just straight up impossible to predict. One would hope the right person, whether a cop or a responsibly armed citizen, would be around to stop the act.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dalem View Post
    Too bad no one else had a gun to pop the guy with. Stay classy, "gun free zones".

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    Unless you turn the "right of gun ownership" to "obligation to pack heat", this statement is BS. Arizona's lenient gun laws did not prevent the Gabby Gifford shooting.

    I am certainly in favour of gun ownership, but we need to be able to stops felons and loons getting guns.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Team View Post
    I have to agree, "lone wolf" profiles are just straight up impossible to predict. One would hope the right person, whether a cop or a responsibly armed citizen, would be around to stop the act.
    And if both of them turn up to act, the cop would be left wondering which one ("lone wolf" or "responsibly armed citizen") is the one to take down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mihais View Post
    Btw,a sort of censorship on this sort of events,just like in the case of terrorist acts might work.Every failure in life has a guaranteed 15 minutes of fame if he kills random people.Even crazies have a rationale for their acts, crazy as it is.
    So, basically, stop the media from reporting any terrorist acts or mass killings and also stop anyone from the public from reporting on social media? sure, that would work...
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    Quote Originally Posted by antimony View Post
    Unless you turn the "right of gun ownership" to "obligation to pack heat", this statement is BS. Arizona's lenient gun laws did not prevent the Gabby Gifford shooting.

    I am certainly in favour of gun ownership, but we need to be able to stops felons and loons getting guns.
    Felons are prohibited from having guns - the law is clear, keeping guns away from nuts is much harder... Unless they have a record of mental defects, their is no simple way to do this. Making everyone buying a gun the subject of expensive formal psychological workups wouldn't go over too well. I agree the shooter in the Gifford case shouldn't have been able to buy a gun. We'll need to wait and see what comes out about this bastard. it seems like a very risky thing to pull one's gun and shoot an SOB like this - I suppose putting it away quickly afterwards might help, but coming to the rescue like that might just get the "hero" killed by the police... Still if I believed he was going to shoot me, I wouldn't hesitate to shoot him first if I could, not much to loose at that point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by antimony View Post
    Unless you turn the "right of gun ownership" to "obligation to pack heat", this statement is BS. Arizona's lenient gun laws did not prevent the Gabby Gifford shooting.

    I am certainly in favour of gun ownership, but we need to be able to stops felons and loons getting guns.
    My point is that the folks we're talking about didn't have the option.

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    Quote Originally Posted by usswisconsin View Post
    my sympathies to the families of the dead and wounded. Rot in hell to the perp.
    ditto!

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    Since it is an election year I will go after two birds with one stone.
    Why is it that people get all antsy about getting guns away from nut jobs but then have no issues letting the same nut jobs vote? Collectively those "nut jobs" can do far more harm by voting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by antimony View Post
    Unless you turn the "right of gun ownership" to "obligation to pack heat", this statement is BS. Arizona's lenient gun laws did not prevent the Gabby Gifford shooting.

    I am certainly in favour of gun ownership, but we need to be able to stops felons and loons getting guns.
    California's very strict gun laws didn't prevent this tragedy either. For some odd reason shooters/murderers just don't respect the damned laws.

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