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    Santorum is surging in the polls. If he can hold momentum there is going to be an actual race. I think we found the Romney republicans. They are in line behind Santorum at least for the moment.
    Santorum Catches Up With Romney in New Poll - NYTimes.com
    After his surprise triple victories in Colorado, Minnesota and Missouri, Rick Santorum has begun soaring among Republican primary voters, erasing Mitt Romney’s lead in the race for the party’s presidential nomination.

    A New York Times/CBS News poll released Tuesday morning showed Mr. Santorum surging among Republican primary voters nationwide, lifted by support among conservatives, evangelical Christians and Tea Party supporters.

    In the new poll, 30 percent of Republican primary voters say they support Mr. Santorum, compared with 27 percent for Mr. Romney. While Mr. Santorum’s lead is essentially a tie with Mr. Romney because it is within the margin of sampling error, it reflects a significant jump for him from earlier polls.

    The two other major candidates are further behind, at 12 percent for Ron Paul and 10 percent for Newt Gingrich. Mr. Gingrich’s numbers have fallen sharply since his win in South Carolina on Jan. 21.

    In the last poll by The Times and CBS News about a month ago, when voters were asked a slightly different question, just 16 percent said they preferred Mr. Santorum while 21 percent backed Mr. Gingrich. Leading the field back then was Mr. Romney, with the support of 28 percent of Republican primary voters.

    The poll is the latest example of the tremendous instability that has marked the Republican nominating contest, in which candidates have repeatedly shot up in popularity and then plummeted.

    Mr. Santorum’s bump is largely fueled by increased support from self-described conservatives, evangelical Christians and Tea Party supporters. The poll shows Mr. Santorum, a former Pennsylvania senator, backed by nearly four in 10 voters from each of these groups; last month, no candidate was the clear favorite among these voters.

    At the same time, another result in the poll underscores the race’s continuing fluidity. A majority of voters (six in 10) who expressed a candidate preference said they could still change their mind – down from 74 percent who said so a month ago, but enough to potentially mix things up again.

    Two polls released on Monday, by the Pew Research Center and Gallup, also showed Mr. Santorum’s sharp advance in the field.

    The nationwide poll is based on telephone interviews conducted Feb. 8-13 on landlines and cellphones with 331 Republican primary or caucus voters, and has a margin of sampling error of plus or minus five percentage points. Additional results from this poll will be available after 6:30 p.m. Tuesday at NYTimes.com.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bonehead View Post
    Now enough of this. Lets move the discussion forward.
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    We'll see how Santorum fares after the Super Pacs are done with him. He got a pass when his numbers were low.

    The article points out the surge in his numbers comes from evangelicals, many probably switching from Gingrich. It could also reflect discomfort with backing a Mormon.

    Romney's friends have urged him to be more open about his religion. He's avoids it for obvious reasons, but I think his friends are right. There is nothing to fear from Romney's devout Mormonism. I worked for Mormon in government and been around Mormon's who were political appointees. My Catholic nephew is married to a Mormon. They're tolerant of other beliefs and do government business the way it is supposed to be done. Romney should come out of the closet.
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    from a political standpoint, what would romney gain from "coming out of the closet" at this stage? politically, seems to me his best bet is to try not to rile up the social conservative/evangelical wing; later, when he's the nominee, he can do the whole "i am a mormon and there's nothing wrong with that" speech.
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    Romney being a Mormon must be one of the worst kept secrets of all time. I don't think coming out of the closet fits. Romney does need to address the issue head on and get it over with because he needs to eliminate any lingering doubts if there are any delegates in the fence on this issue. Many are not ever going to get over the religious hump and vote for Romney in the primary so Romney has little to lose by spotlighting his religion at this point. I can see when people give up on Newt that Santorum would get the lion share of the benefits. At this point Romney should focus less on Obama bashing and more on Santorum or he stands the chance of having it all slip away. There will be time enough to bash the president after the primary.

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    Oh, yes, Romney has indeed been deflecting attention from his Mormonism, although we all know he is a Mormon.

    The point is there is a fairly broad bias against Mormons because of their unusual founding doctrine.

    But on close examination, Mormons are pretty much like many Christian groups with a few non-threatening twists thrown in, such as a prohibition against smoking and drinking coffee and alcohol. They are required to do a stint of missionary work. Nothing unusual there. They have a strong work ethic, work well in groups, and tithe, as do many Catholics. Broadly speaking their moral structure is decidedly Judeo-Christian rooted. And they are as patriotic as the next American.

    Romney never mentions his religion. So, none of this comes to the fore. He should not be afraid to embrace it, as Kennedy did his Catholicism in a time when people feared he would be a puppet for the Pope. He basically has to draw a line between his religious loyalties and his loyalties as an American citizen. And that he has not done...yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bonehead View Post
    Dale is an articulate and a rather bright individual. He is fully capable of challenging and enlightening without whining and name calling. When discussions get reduced to name calling and whining thats when the WAB starts to suffer. Allusions to intelligence as no place here either. If I didn't know better I would think Bluesman wrote this post for Dale because that post sounds an awful lot like a watered down Bluesman.
    I'm flattered because Bluesman is way brighter than I am, but sadly, it was just me and my own patty-paws banging on the keyboard, as usual.

    The post in question really has no substance. 1) I am not a liberal. If memory serves, between Dale and I only one of us voted for Al Gore...and it was not me.
    I didn't imply you are a liberal, I implied that you are a "blow it all up" political nihilist, which you are, at least as you've described yourself. Your answer to any political debate, question, or topic is a version of "they all suck, we need to start over!"

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    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/28/op...publicans.html

    The Possum Republicans
    By DAVID BROOKS
    Published: February 27, 2012

    Politicians do what they must to get re-elected. So it’s not unexpected that Republican senators like Richard Lugar and Orrin Hatch would swing sharply to the right to fend off primary challengers.
    As Jonathan Weisman reported in The Times on Sunday, Hatch has a lifetime rating of 78 percent from the ultra-free market Club for Growth, but, in the past two years, he has miraculously jumped to 100 percent and 99 percent, respectively. Lugar has earned widespread respect for his thoughtful manner and independent ways. Now he’s more of a reliable Republican foot soldier.

    Still, it is worth pointing out that this behavior is not entirely honorable. It’s not honorable to adjust your true nature in order to win re-election. It’s not honorable to kowtow to the extremes so you can preserve your political career.

    But, of course, this is exactly what has been happening in the Republican Party for the past half century. Over these decades, one pattern has been constant: Wingers fight to take over the party, mainstream Republicans bob and weave to keep their seats.

    Republicans on the extreme ferociously attack their fellow party members. Those in the middle backpedal to avoid conflict. Republicans on the extreme are willing to lose elections in order to promote their principles. Those in the mainstream are quick to fudge their principles if it will help them get a short-term win.

    In the 1960s and ’70s, the fight was between conservatives and moderates. Conservatives trounced the moderates and have driven them from the party. These days the fight is between the protesters and the professionals. The grass-roots protesters in the Tea Party and elsewhere have certain policy ideas, but they are not that different from the Republicans in the “establishment.”

    The big difference is that the protesters don’t believe in governance. They have zero tolerance for the compromises needed to get legislation passed. They don’t believe in trimming and coalition building. For them, politics is more about earning respect and making a statement than it is about enacting legislation. It’s grievance politics, identity politics.

    Of course, the professional politicians don’t want to get in the way of this torrent of passion and resentment. In private, they bemoan where the party is headed; in public they do nothing.

    All across the nation, there are mainstream Republicans lamenting how the party has grown more and more insular, more and more rigid. This year, they have an excellent chance to defeat President Obama, yet the wingers have trashed the party’s reputation by swinging from one embarrassing and unelectable option to the next: Bachmann, Trump, Cain, Perry, Gingrich, Santorum.

    But where have these party leaders been over the past five years, when all the forces that distort the G.O.P. were metastasizing? Where were they during the rise of Sarah Palin and Glenn Beck? Where were they when Arizona passed its beyond-the-fringe immigration law? Where were they in the summer of 2011 when the House Republicans rejected even the possibility of budget compromise? They were lying low, hoping the unpleasantness would pass.

    The wingers call their Republican opponents RINOs, or Republican In Name Only. But that’s an insult to the rhino, which is a tough, noble beast. If RINOs were like rhinos, they’d stand up to those who seek to destroy them. Actually, what the country needs is some real Rhino Republicans. But the professional Republicans never do that. They’re not rhinos. They’re Opossum Republicans. They tremble for a few seconds then slip into an involuntary coma every time they’re challenged aggressively from the right.

    Without real opposition, the wingers go from strength to strength. Under their influence, we’ve had a primary campaign that isn’t really an argument about issues. It’s a series of heresy trials in which each of the candidates accuse the others of tribal impurity. Two kinds of candidates emerge from this process: first, those who are forceful but outside the mainstream; second, those who started out mainstream but look weak and unprincipled because they have spent so much time genuflecting before those who despise them.

    Neither is likely to win in the fall. Before the G.O.P. meshugana campaign, independents were leaning toward the G.O.P. But, in the latest Politico/George Washington University Battleground Poll, Obama leads Mitt Romney among independents by 49 percent to 27 percent.

    Leaders of a party are supposed to educate the party, to police against its worst indulgences, to guard against insular information loops. They’re supposed to define a creed and establish boundaries. Republican leaders haven’t done that. Now the old pious cliché applies:

    First they went after the Rockefeller Republicans, but I was not a Rockefeller Republican. Then they went after the compassionate conservatives, but I was not a compassionate conservative. Then they went after the mainstream conservatives, and there was no one left to speak for me.
    There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "My ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."¯- Isaac Asimov

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