Gingerbread Dojo #5 - dalem & zraver Sweep Some Legs

**astralis** · 23 Dec 11, 02:55

well, gents, have at it...wonder if you guys are gonna follow queensbury rules...

**zraver** · 23 Dec 11, 03:29

My problems with the Right, and the Left, my view, Stalin.

The Right seems to feel letting people starve is natural and OK.
The Left seems to think getting people hooked on government handouts is OK
Why not provide a social safety ladder instead of a net
Stalin engineered the Holodomir- point to the right

The Right gets all bent out over marriage and thins its sanctified by God.
The Left thinks the bedroom is a public space
Why not simply let non-related adults marry who they want.
Stalin was anti-God but was also anti-gay half point to each.

The Right loves guns and a big military
The Left hates guns and a big military
The founders loved guns and hated a big military
Stalin loved a big military point to the right

The Right denies racism is a problem
The Left thinks its still 1950
The collars have been removed, but some roadblocks still exist

The Right believes in intelligent design and wants prayer in school
the Left doesn't want us to believe at all
lets leave religion out of it, either for or against.
Stalin didn't want us to beleive either point to the left

The right praises liberty and funds the drug war
The left praises civil rights and funds the drug war
Neither liberty nor civil rights are served by prohibition
Stalin talked about a workers paradise but internal crackdowns- half point to each.

The Right doesn't want gays in the military
The Left wants to use the military to ease social acceptance
Lets stop sheet sniffing, be glad of anyone serving the MISSION of nat'l def.
Stalin hated gays but also used the army to glue the nation together- half point to each.

The Right says all abortion is murder
The Left says no abortion is murder
Life begins at conception but sometimes real reasons exist to take that life.
Stalin was pro-life, until you were born point to the right

The Right loves free trade with our enemies.
The Left loves free trade with our enemies.
Lets use our market to further our nations benefit.
Stalin traded with his enemies half point to each

The Right loves cheap labor
The left loves free votes
America is for Americans and those we invite in.
Stalin loved free labor and didnt allow votes, point to the right

The Right screams Islam is out to get us.
The Left screams Christians are out to get us
I scream Congress is out to get us.
Stalin claimed everyone is out to get us half point to each.

The Right loves the tea party drawing the social security check
The left wants to give the occupy protestors welfare
I'm trying hard enough to feed my children without feeding others.
Stalin had his apparatchiks, half point to each

Final score

Right 7
Left 4.5

The Right is closer to Stalin than the Left- ergo Dale is a commie

**zraver** · 23 Dec 11, 03:31

Originally Posted by astralis

well, gents, have at it...wonder if you guys are gonna follow queensbury rules...

Boxing is formalized fighting which is stupid, if your going to fight, fight to win. As Dale is quiet willing to use the ballot box to enforce inequality, I am quiet willing to hit below the belt.

**Blue** · 23 Dec 11, 03:49

I'm tuned in....

I'll jump on when it gets rollin.

**YellowFever** · 23 Dec 11, 04:14

This thread....is going to turn into a train wreck.

**zraver** · 23 Dec 11, 04:29

Only if the commies sabotage it.

**USSWisconsin** · 23 Dec 11, 04:54

A most curious thread

**YellowFever** · 23 Dec 11, 05:08

Well......no.

The commies haven't even posted and it's already a train wreck.

Basically, you've condensed what the left /right/Stalin believes into twelve easy points without variables.

What about the hundreds upon hundreds of their other beliefs?

Dale could easily pick apart all twelve of what you wrote and you can easily rebut all twelve of his rebuts and vice versa and it'll just go on until the cows come home.

There are literally hundreds and hundreds of things Stalin (and Hitler, if you like) have in common with both the left and the right.

So what if he lists twelve things the left have in common with Stalin?

Are you going to list twelve more things the right has in common with Stalin?

Like I said, a train wreck.....

**YellowFever** · 23 Dec 11, 05:24

Btw...props to astralis for coming up with the funny thread title.

**zraver** · 23 Dec 11, 05:32

Originally Posted by YellowFever

Well......no.

The commies haven't even posted and it's already a train wreck.

Basically, you've condensed what the left /right/Stalin believes into twelve easy points without variables.

Yup its called framing

What about the hundreds upon hundreds of their other beliefs?

ahh but most of them won't be pressing political issues in the modern day US heading into a presidential election cycle. As far as I know Stalin wasn't a green.

Dale could easily pick apart all twelve of what you wrote and you can easily rebut all twelve of his rebuts and vice versa and it'll just go on until the cows come home.

There are literally hundreds and hundreds of things Stalin (and Hitler, if you like) have in common with both the left and the right.

So what if he lists twelve things the left have in common with Stalin?

Are you going to list twelve more things the right has in common with Stalin?

Like I said, a train wreck.....

Nope, I jabbed in a few easy quips to get things started using political issues of the day. It is a dojo thread after all. I expect Dale to attack as much as debate that is the point- passion as much as intellect.

**Officer of Engineers** · 23 Dec 11, 05:37

High school politics. I could not tell the difference between right wing totaliratism and left wing totaliratism then ... and I can't do it now. Hitler believed he was a god. So did Stalin and Mao.

**zraver** · 23 Dec 11, 05:43

yup

**YellowFever** · 23 Dec 11, 05:50

Originally Posted by zraver

Yup its called framing

So Dale is just going to follow the template you framed?

Aahh but most of them won't be pressing political issues in the modern day US heading into a presidential election cycle. As far as I know Stalin wasn't a green.

Env History

Nope, I jabbed in a few easy quips to get things started using political issues of the day. It is a dojo thread after all. I expect Dale to attack as much as debate that is the point- passion as much as intellect.

Suit yourself, dude.

Let me get the pocorn emoticon ready.

I love watching train wrecks as much as the next guy...

**zraver** · 23 Dec 11, 05:56

Originally Posted by YellowFever

So Dale is just going to follow the template you framed?

Probably not, but he has to spend a wee bit of effort breaking the framework so he can try and re frame the debate which means he is reacting.

**Chunder** · 23 Dec 11, 15:24

Originally Posted by YellowFever

This thread....is going to turn into a train wreck.

Originally Posted by zraver

Only if the commies sabotage it.

Originally Posted by zraver

...ergo Dale is a commie

Originally Posted by dalem

And maybe you're a Commie, for which you should apologize.

-dale

Originally Posted by Tarek Morgen

Dale, tone it down a notch.

Originally Posted by DOR

Yellowfever,
.....
In American politics, these kinds of labels are just name-calling.

dalem,

Yeah, I'm kind of particular about people actually knowing something about the subjects they spout off on....

Originally Posted by dalem

...Communism - it kills people in boxcar lots...
-dale

Originally Posted by USSWisconsin

A most curious thread

Amen.

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