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Reply With QuoteOK, so let's stop pussyfooting around about who understands what about what and why don't the people who understand what communism "really is" enlighten the rest of us to keep the debate going.
I love it!Originally Posted by dalem
If you understand politics, you must be a politician.
If you understand communism, you must be a communist.
If you understand newpapers, you must be a reporter.
If you understand wine, you must be a bartender.
For which everyone must apologize!
OK, so let's stop pussyfooting around about who understands what about what and why don't the people who understand what communism "really is" enlighten the rest of us to keep the debate going.
I think communism was the ideology we rightfully opposed and tried to isolate till their autocratic labor laws made relocating productio in communist countries from our country profitable like with China and Vietnam
Where free unions and collective bargaining are forbidden, freedom is lost.”
~Ronald Reagan
LoL...
Thank you, rosie, for opening up another can of worms before we can get the lid back on this one.
anyway, BACK to the original thread topic:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/06/ma...agewanted=1&hp
What Are the Chances for Republicans? - Interactive Graphic - NYTimes.com
this is a fun election calculator from the folks @ five-thirty eight. plug in your GDP growth prediction and see your candidate's chances of beating obama! (with point-spreads, as well.)
The human mind cannot grasp the causes of phenomena in the aggregate. But the need to find these causes is inherent in man’s soul. And the human intellect, without investigating the multiplicity and complexity of the conditions of phenomena, any one of which taken separately may seem to be the cause, snatches at the first, the most intelligible approximation to a cause, and says: “This is the cause!"
-Leo Tolstoy
War and Peace
But your other posts do make the argument that one has to have direct experience witrh something in order to have an opinion about it.
-dale
Wow.
You guys are really trying to turn this place into some Sunday morning talking head show, aren't ya? What's next - tweed jackets and podiums?
-dale
Wah this thread is growing fast.
I will bet $10.... and post in rhymes for a month if he wins.
Gonna hafta go with ya on that Dale. I always thought the WAB wasn't a knitting circle. Maybe someone wants to make sweaters now??
As long as you use neutral tones. Beige is nice, no bright colors or flashy designs......Maybe someone wants to make sweaters now??
"We will go through our federal budget – page by page, line by line – eliminating those programs we don’t need, and insisting that those we do operate in a sensible cost-effective way." -President Barack Obama 11/25/2008
Yellowfever,
Describing communism isn’t going to be easy, and certainly doesn’t lend itself to this kind of discussion forum. I spent a lot of years studying communism, and a lot more years living with it right next door in China, North Korea and Vietnam. I’ve visited or lived in communist places, as well as simple authoritarian dictatorships. Lots of them.
Not a single one of them has the least similarity to anything I’ve ever seen in US politics. Pick your (least) favorite leftist American, and drop him / her in one of these places. I guarantee he / she wouldn’t like 99% of what goes on in the real world. Frankly, some on the US right wing might feel more at home than those on the left.
In American politics, these kinds of labels are just name-calling.
dalem,
Yeah, I’m kind of particular about people actually knowing something about the subjects they spout off on. Call me a communist, if it makes you feel better, but first understand something about the ideology, and just a tad about me, too.
Simple courtesy.
I do know something about Communism - it kills people in boxcar lots. It does other things too like degrade the dignity of its servants and lowering their standard of living, but I tend to focus on the killing part because it's really really obvious.
-dale
Seeing as how many communist countries have existed, no doubt there are as many variations of the system. What, in your opinion, did all of them share in common, both economically and politically?
That is not a true statement in that even among authoritarian governments public opinion matters to some degree, although the means of obtaining it would be different in some key respects.Not a single one of them has the least similarity to anything I’ve ever seen in US politics.
No. A right winger--a conservative--would feel vindicated in their assessment of what goes on in those places. The far left--I don't mean the average Democrat--would be awakened to their previously false assessment of them.Pick your (least) favorite leftist American, and drop him / her in one of these places. I guarantee he / she wouldn’t like 99% of what goes on in the real world. Frankly, some on the US right wing might feel more at home than those on the left. (bold added)
You make liberal use of labels when referring to American politics. Are you just name-calling?In American politics, these kinds of labels are just name-calling.
To be Truly ignorant, Man requires an Education - Plato
But getting back to US politics and the GOP race, Cain's viability as a serious candidate will probably be settled over the coming week. Does it matter how serious the sexual harassment was? Will a little grab-ass be shrugged off by voters? I doubt it.
Read more: Cain Tries To Get Back To Business As Usual Amid Harassment Allegations | Fox NewsJoel Bennett, an attorney for one of the women alleging sexual harassment, said Thursday he was seeking permission from the National Restaurant Association to release a statement on her behalf. Under an agreement stemming from her accusation in 1999, the woman agreed not to speak publicly about the episode she said occurred when she worked for the trade group and Cain was its president.
The association said it would make a decision Friday about whether to grant permission.
"This will not deter me" in the race for the White House, Cain declared Thursday, repeatedly denying the allegations in interviews on conservative media outlets.
As additional women have claimed harassment by Cain over the course of the past week, his campaign has argued that he's benefiting from the controversy. Cain has hired at least one more national finance staffer since Sunday, when the allegations first surfaced. His national finance team planned a meeting Friday morning in Washington to discuss strategy as it looks to broaden a grassroots fundraising base that's so far been driven by small online donations -- including more than $1.2 million in contributions since Sunday.
To be Truly ignorant, Man requires an Education - Plato
JAD,
As I've expressed in somewhat more colourful terms elsewhere, the biggest hit Cain is taking over this is self-inflicted. As someone who has spent a lot of time in politics you well know that something a candidate has to be able to do is deal with awkward situations. That he has made such a hash of this is a bad look - even down to blaming two completely different scources in two days. Combine that with some of the other jumping around he has had on differnt issues & the overall look is of someone who really hasn't prepared very much for the job. People may well want someone who is 'fresh', but they still have to look like they know what they are doing. Whatever her supporters might think, it was that appearance of unpreparedness that did a lot of harm to Palin & it is going to hurt Cain too. All that isn't to say that the allegations themselves aren't a problem too. I was never convinced that Cain would get the nomination. Even less so now.
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