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Reply With Quotebit unfair on the NYT.Originally Posted by RollingWave
I was more joking that real Santorum supporters are about as few as real NYT subscribers :P
bit unfair on the NYT.
Win nervously lose tragically - Reds C C
The man is taking crazy political risks. When he is rising and is near the top, why does he have to open his mouth on contraception and prenatal testing? And that too the sanctimonious tone of "One of the things I will talk about that no President has talked about before blah blah blah" as if he has already been sworn in as the Pastor in Chief.I wondered who'd pick this up.Asty is right. But I think it's worse. Aspiring presidents should breath their country's history. Maybe he was afraid to give FDR, a democrat, any credit for his farsightedness.
Obviously, he's comparing then and now to warn against doing nothing to stop Iran's nuke ambitions. If that was his case, his ignorance is breathtaking.
I had a feeling Santorum was going to talk himself into a hole. Polls seem to show it. Notice 22% undecided.
Does he not comprehend that he will be hammered for this if he does get the nomination? Romney is much more stable - if he sees himself near the top he becomes extra careful of not making this kind of gaffes.
"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?" ~ Epicurus
I actually think oyu are giving him WAY too much credit. That presumes that he understands & cares enough about the events of that period to 'spin' them to avoid giving FDR credit. Personally I doubt that he does. This looks a lot more like the sort of 'know-nothing' version of history that folks like Bachmann & Palin have indulged in. To the extent that history exists for them it doesn't exist in its own terms, it is simply a reflection of their own views no matter what the facts actually say. it also reflects on their audience, the presumption being that they either don't know this is wrong or simpy don't care.I wondered who'd pick this up.
Obviously, he's comparing then and now to warn against doing nothing to stop Iran's nuke ambitions. If that was his case, his ignorance is breathtaking.
SOunds about right. Once the excitement of discovering the new 'Not Romney' wears off buyer's remorse seems to set in pretty quickly. Newt fell so fast he damn near caused a sonic boom. Others before weren't much better. I suspect he will get found out on Super Tuesday when he can't just focus on 1 or 2 states. The problem is that in the meantime it makes Romney look bad & distracts him from his real target.I had a feeling Santorum was going to talk himself into a hole. Polls seem to show it. Notice 22% undecided.
The other aspect of the rise and fall of folks like Gingrich & Santorum is that it has probably reminded any wavering or dissolusioned members of the Democrat base who might have been thinking about staying home just why they don't want a GOP President (and a GOP congress at the same time). I haven't seen numbers, but I'm betting the base is strengthening by the week, making Obama's job much easier.
Win nervously lose tragically - Reds C C
Watching the Arizona's GOP debate..... i am so convince now that Rick Santourum is a complete moron (calling Syria Iran's puppet ..)
Furthermore, what the hell did GWB did about Iran ? what did Obama do ?
Atleast the latter implemented much more effective sanctions.
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If we contrast the rapid progress of this mischievous discovery of gunpowder with the slow and laborious advances of reason, science, and the arts of peace, a philosopher, according to his temper, will laugh or weep at the folly of mankind. - Edward Gibbon
I hope you're not advocating another unnecessary, unprovoked war of aggression in the Middle East.
One in my lifetime is quite enough, thanks.
Well GWB took out Iraq which kinda blew out the pre-existing balance in the mid-east and then called Iran part of the Axis of Evil just as it was heading on a path towards moderation, which immediately caused the rather sane Mohammad Khatami to be followed by the less sane Mahmoud Ahmadinejad
I was exercising restraint.
He's trying to be all things to all people. You know how that turns out.This looks a lot more like the sort of 'know-nothing' version of history that folks like Bachmann & Palin have indulged in.
I am not so sure about that. The GOP debate this week gave a foretaste of the heat Obama will face this fall. Although there were a few squabbles, the candidates on the whole showed unity and passion for their positions and made some telling points that some Democrats will find food for thought. But if Santorum is nominated, those Democrats will scamper back to the base.The other aspect of the rise and fall of folks like Gingrich & Santorum is that it has probably reminded any wavering or dissolusioned members of the Democrat base who might have been thinking about staying home just why they don't want a GOP President (and a GOP congress at the same time). I haven't seen numbers, but I'm betting the base is strengthening by the week, making Obama's job much easier.
To be Truly ignorant, Man requires an Education - Plato
My observations about the recent debate in Arizona...
The candidates seemed more united despite a couple of squabbles, which even so were substantive. They seem to have gotten the message that the circular firing squad of past debates does more harm to the GOP than good. (They'll no doubt be less congenial in their TV ads.)
Romney, Gingrich and Paul (in his own way) did best in that order, although Santorum wasn't far behind.
On a question having to do with abortion, Santorum was repentant for his support of Planned Parenthood when he was in the Senate, giving the excuse that he held his nose and voted for it because it was only a small part of a bigger bill with lots of good stuff in it. He hit similar snags on other issues like earmarks. The take away is the appearance that his political past conflicts with the new Santorum.
Gingrich was his usual brainy self scoring some good points on issues like immigration, Iran and women in the military. He and Romney seemed to be enjoying each other.
Romney was more adroit than I've ever seen him. He was in complete command of most of the issues raised and came across as competent and sincere.
Paul was as usual off on the edges. Yet he made some excellent points. More informed viewers might dispute his contention that nothing need be done about Iran because they don't have a nuclear weapon. He's a decent, courageous man, but somewhat of an anachronism in modern politics. Still, I agree with him that the Constitution needs to be restored to its place as the guiding light of politics and law.
To be Truly ignorant, Man requires an Education - Plato
Very civilized of you.I was exercising restraint.
I think he's just making up stuff as he goes along and telling people what they want & expect to hear. Nothing out of the ordinary for a politician, but it is still sad that this sort of mangling of history is not only commonplace, it seems to be expected.He's trying to be all things to all people. You know how that turns out.
Agree on the last point - Santorum getting the nod hands Obama the win. As for the rest....time will tell.I am not so sure about that. The GOP debate this week gave a foretaste of the heat Obama will face this fall. Although there were a few squabbles, the candidates on the whole showed unity and passion for their positions and made some telling points that some Democrats will find food for thought. But if Santorum is nominated, those Democrats will scamper back to the base.
Win nervously lose tragically - Reds C C
NB:
The Michigan GOP is openly urging Dems to vote in the GOP primary. Of course, the object is help Santorum win.
This has happened before, causing some unexpected wins for long-shot candidates.
To be Truly ignorant, Man requires an Education - Plato
* Obama beats Romney.
* Dems keep Senate.
* Repubs keep House.
* Palin will say something stupid.
* Americans will be screwed forever.
* I will visit a bottle shop and be off my face on election night.
Off duty, I prseume.
To be Truly ignorant, Man requires an Education - Plato
An interesting twist in what has been an effective bone of contention for Romney's opponents. The very real human suffering in terms of lost jobs always dominates stories of vulture capitalists clearing the corporate landscape of inefficient and dying companies. It's a compelling story. I hadn't considered the other side, or even entertained the notion that vulture capitalist have a beneficial role to play in the economy just as real vultures do in nature.
The author wishes Romney would tell the story, but there's no chance he'll do it quite like this--far too complex for the average guy to grasp. (not Wabbers of course
JANUARY 18, 2012, 7:19 P.M. ET
Bain Capital Saved America
In the 1980s, the resilient U.S. economy saved itself from becoming Europe. Bain was part of the rescue.
Not only did Bain Capital save America, but no matter what turn Mitt Romney's political career takes, Bain Capital may stand as the best of Mr. Romney's lifetime contributions to the nation's economic well-being. If only he'd tell the story.
Rest of article here:
Henninger: Bain Capital Saved America - WSJ.com
To be Truly ignorant, Man requires an Education - Plato
JAD_333,
Check source.
The Wall St Journal is wholly behind Romney and venture capitalism, and firmly against medieval social policies and any kind of tax whatsoever.
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