Thread: Ineffective New York Protestors create chaos

Originally Posted by gunnut

A bunch of union workers were protesting against a hotel near by.

The longshoremen here are still at it. Blocking the trains and streets, at least two instances of tampering with the railroad tracks which are federal offenses.

Something like 213 arrests so far.

There was a protest outside my office building yesterday. A bunch of union workers were protesting against a hotel near by. They marched and blocked the intersection (not a big one) for about 2 minutes, causing delays. A co-worker called the cops on them and they were promptly dispersed.

At least that protest is connected to their goal - the WS protest doesn't have a path towards their "goal".

Hey what happened with the freedom to move/roam?

I mean you can protest all you like as far as I can go to wherever I wanted.

these protests ae b.s. bunch of idiots walking all over wall street area, and using a buckets as drums, they are escoted by cops, lots of cops. the famous bull is blocked off, never seen it closed off before, i asked a cop why, he said so these idiots wouldn't vandalize it, since it is wall street symbol, entire wall street area is also blocked so the only way to walk is 1 narow sidewalk, early in the moring thousands of ppl go to work, thru these 6feet wide sidewalks, gets very packed, before that entire streets were opened.
there is absolutely noting these idiots will accomplish, besides inconviniance everyone that works there.
i'll try to take some pics tomorow, if i have time.

Occupy Wall Street protesters are behaving like a bunch of spoiled brats

Occupy Wall Street protesters are behaving like a bunch of spoiled brats

And for sleet and torrential rains - anything that might convince the precious insufferables who have taken over Wall Street that they have had enough of exercising their First Amendment rights to the inconvenience of tens of thousands of people who actually have to work for a living.

This bunch ought to get down on their knees in thanks that America's capitalist Founding Fathers saw fit to protect the privileges of the dumb and obnoxious along with everyone else.

They should also salute the NYPD and all its officers for paying diligent attention to ensuring that peace and harmony reign in their daze of rage. But no.

Instead, in a disgraceful attempt at intimidation, partisans of Occupy Wall Street, as the micromovement calls itself, posted on the Internet the name, address and telephone number of a ranking cop who dosed a couple of upstarts with pepper spray - along with the same information about the officer's family members.

If the NYPD has made any tactical error in this episode, it was in being too tolerant.

Rather than require protesters to secure a permit to demonstrate - as the NYPD asked of the 10,000 people who massed peacefully outside the United Nations - the department arranged for campout accommodations in Zuccotti Park, which happens to be privately owned, although open to the public.

Police also closed major intersections to traffic, forcing pedestrians to take the long way around. Further, the cops cordoned off the statue of the Wall Street bull, depriving tourists of upclose-and-personal inspections.

On Saturday, these guests of the municipality decided to march north to Union Square. Again, they did so without a permit. Had they asked for one, the NYPD would have secured a parade route that upheld both the right to protest and the public's ability to move.

As it was, the NYPD went with the flow, allowing the parade so long as the walkers did not interfere with sidewalk or street passage. Soon enough, a couple hundred marchers took too much of the real estate and became unruly.

People dodged in and out of traffic, sometimes surrounding cars to halt them. Officers began to break the throng into smaller groups, occasionally using plastic nets. Chaos ensued as the crowd now wailed about being victims of oppression.

Amid arrests, that senior officer was photographed applying pepper spray in a video that is being held up as evidence of a human rights violation worthy of trial in the International Criminal Court. It is conceivable that he could have kept his spray holstered - then again, he was surrounded by chaos. He made a judgment call. The rest is second-guessing.

The right to free speech comes with responsibilities. It does not encompass a right to do just what you want wherever you want, as these juveniles may one day learn.

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The Occupy Wall Street Protestors Are Starting To Get Foul
Julia La Roche | Sep. 26, 2011, 3:02 PM | 4,397 | 100



We're now entering the second week of the non-violent protestors from "Occupy Wall Street" taking over the Financial District.

The basic premise of the demonstrations seems to be a protest against the banks and the government. We're still not sure what their exact message is or if they even have a solution to the problem.

Over the weekend, things got ugly with more than 80 protestors arrested and a group of women protestors shrieking after being maced in the face by police.

We decided to take a stroll through their encampment at Zuccotti Park this weekend and here's some things we noticed:

Poor hygiene: While wandering through the camp site, I asked several people how long they've been there and if they've taken a shower. Some people said they would go to friends' apartments to clean up. However a bunch of the protestors confessed to me that they have not showered since the start of the movement. In my opinion, the smell is extremely pungent. And the camp site is littered with trash, cardboard and garbage bags piled up.

Nudity: At least two women had their naked breasts exposed. Apparently, it is legal. (I asked a police officer nearby.) But there's no question it's inconsiderate. The site is surrounded by popular tourist destinations in the Financial District and there are tons of families with young children that frequent those locations.

Drugs: Another thing that caught me by surprise was the use of marijuana. I walked right by a protestor smoking weed in broad daylight. The police must have been just 20 feet away too. If you're at a protest site surrounded by hundreds of police officers and trying to get out your important message out, then it's probably not the best idea to light one up!

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An Emergency Program for Anti-Wall Street Protestors: Don’t Let Soros Hijack the Movement
Posted: 2011/09/29
An Emergency Program for Anti-Wall Street Protestors: Don’t Let Soros Hijack the Movement

Webster G. Tarpley, Ph.D.
TARPLEY.net
September 29, 2011

Political mass strike dynamics have been at work in the United States since the Wisconsin and Ohio mobilizations of February and March. Now, there are demonstrations in lower Manhattan and Boston specifically directed against the Wall Street banks. Another protest demonstration is scheduled for Washington, DC, starting on October 6. Good: a political challenge to Wall Street is indeed long overdue.

The Occupy Wall Street demonstrators are skeptical in regard to Obama. There is no sizable constituency for Ron Paul, and the crackpot Austrian school of economics is hardly represented. Above all, there is a desire to break the power of Wall Street. This much is promising, but still not enough to win.

The demonstrations appear initially as leaderless groups, engaged in an organic process of discussion from which specific demands are supposed to emerge. But so far, these demonstrations have put forth no specific demands, reforms, or concrete measures whatsoever to fight Wall Street. This is a fatal political weakness. A movement that attempts to go forward with vague slogans like “Freedom” or “Abolish capitalism” is likely to become easy prey for foundation-funded operatives on the left wing of the Democratic Party.

If a movement pretends to have no leaders, then it is the corporate media, themselves controlled by Wall Street, who will choose the leaders. A few days ago, a Wall Street protester named Kelly Heresy was anointed as principal honcho by Keith Olbermann, who used to work for the hedge fund called General Electric, and who now works for Al Gore. This is no way to select leaders.

The demonstrations may appear spontaneous, but it is easy to see gatekeepers and countergangs operating in their midst, often with a frank counterinsurgency agenda. Occupy Wall Street in particular shows the heavy influence of union bureaucrats from the Service Employees International Union, as well as Acorn – both parts of the Obama machine. The goal of these operatives is to keep the focus of the protests vague and diffuse, so that no demands emerge that might be embarrassing to the Wall Street puppet Obama and his reelection campaign. Their ultimate goal is to absorb the protests as the left wing of the Obama 2012 effort. That means supporting an administration which not only refuses to fight Wall Street, but which is packed with Wall Street executives in its highest positions.

Dubious Hollywood figures like Susan Sarandon and Michael Moore are attempting to gain publicity for themselves by showing up at the demonstrations. Michael Moore, who is not very popular with the demonstrators, was instrumental in leading the antiwar and impeachment movements of the past decade back into the Democratic Party to support Obama. Journalist Matt Taibbi, another newly minted expert on the movement, is remembered for his hatchet jobs in favor of the Bush administration theory of terrorism.

The organizers of the Wall Street action say they want to imitate recent protests in other countries. Their favorite is the Tahrir Square agitation in Egypt in February. But if you go to Cairo today, veterans of those demonstrations will tell you that these efforts accomplished relatively little, and mainly had the effect of ousting an oppressive civilian government in favor of an even more oppressive military government of weak CIA puppets which is still operating under martial law, even as benighted religious fanatics gather strength. In Greece, it is true that the trade unions have mounted a dozen general strikes, but all of these have failed to oust Prime Minister Papandreou, the main enforcer of austerity cuts demanded by the International Monetary Fund, and so the brutal austerity continues. The same thing applies to Spain, where the indignados became so self-absorbed in their discussion and consensus process that they never put forward a program to save Spanish society from the bankers. In Iceland too, the anti-bank movement was never able to go beyond mere protest to advance a series of concrete measures that would allow them to contend for power, take power, and hold onto it for the public good.

The lesson of all of these situations is that, in a severe world economic depression of the kind we have today, mere protest is not enough. Desperate populations are looking for political leadership with solutions capable of solving the life or death issues facing nations today. A movement which is incapable of specifying what it intends to fight for is an immature movement which no intelligent person will take seriously.

The secret of a mass strike upsurge is that crisis conditions will propel many apolitical people into activism. This makes them vulnerable to manipulation by demagogues, including those of the extreme right. The mass strike upsurge by itself solves nothing. The question is whether any coherent group of people can intervene into the mass upsurge and push aside bankrupt and failed leaders with the kind of radical reform program that can actually get the society out of the crisis. The masses cannot discover this program on their own – they are too busy with the struggle for daily existence. College students therefore have a special responsibility to provide ideas for the benefit of the entire society. If an adequate program becomes dominant, the nation can survive. Otherwise, nothing guarantees that civilization itself will not collapse – look at the Tea Party if you don’t believe this. Soros, Koch, and the other finance capitalists have a good working understanding of how these things work, which is why they are sending in their operatives to make sure that this movement will have only the vaguest demands, or no demands at all, to fight for. Let that happen, and Wall Street will rule the day once again.

Despite what Michael Moore may think, the political power of Wall Street is considerable, and an effective attack on the bankers will demand the unified efforts of key sectors of the population. This unity must be expressed in the program itself. Students must broaden the sociological scope of the movement to include all walks of life.

In order to fight Wall Street, it is necessary for the American people to understand the basic idea of shifting the cost of the world economic depression off of the backs of working people and the poor where it is now, and onto Wall Street banks and super-rich speculators. Depressions are very expensive. Who should pay for the current depression? The bankers demand that the American people must pay. We want the bankers to pay, and we must specify how. A movement that wants to defend working people against the class warfare of the bankers has the responsibility of putting forward a program to defend middle-class and other working people. In order to win, the anti-Wall Street protests must agitate for a series of demands including the following:

1. Student Loan Amnesty. The common experience of many of the protesters is that of being crushed by an outrageous burden of high interest student loans. Today it is common for graduating seniors to carry $50,000, $75,000, or even $100,000 of debt. Add the costs of an advanced degree in teaching, law, or medicine, and the debt burden becomes astronomical. The exorbitant cost of a college education reflects the increasing immiseration of the United States over the past 40 years, as the overall standard of living has declined by two thirds or more in terms of real wages and other considerations. These debts are owed to the same zombie bankers who cashed in on the Bush bailout of 2008, and the even larger loans issued by Ben Bernanke of the Federal Reserve over recent years. This is a system of brutal primitive accumulation against the life chances everyone who knows that they need a college degree to be employable in the 21st century. Total students loan indebtedness is now approaching $1 trillion. This grinding debt is destroying the futures, the lives, and the hopes of college students and recent graduates.
When a debtor country like Greece is unable to pay its debts, it is normal to hear talk of a haircut for the bondholders and bankers. It is time for the Wall Street zombie banks to take a haircut on student loan debt. Most of this debt cannot be paid off, but an entire generation can be ruined by a futile attempt to pay it back.

A leading demand must therefore be a total cancellation of all outstanding student loan debt, meaning a total and immediate forgiveness of all payments of principal and interest coming from this category of borrowing. Carter granted Vietnam draft resisters an amnesty. If Obama wants to keep his job, he must deliver a student loan amnesty to save not just a single generation, but the entire future of the United States and beyond. Otherwise, dump Obama in 2012! The zombie bankers have been pampered enough. It is time for them to take a bath, so that a generation might live. This is also the best stimulus program possible.

2. Stop Foreclosures. Since students alone will never be enough to make a revolution, it is necessary to put forward additional measures to defend other parts of the population from the depredations of Wall Street. In the area of home foreclosures, the bankers have trampled on the law to seize millions of homes, some of which never had a mortgage, and many of which were current in their payments. The banks have used corrupt robo-signers, robo-cops, and robo-judges to carry out these fraudclosure thefts. The answer is to make foreclosure a federal crime, so that anyone who throws an American family out on the street will end up in Leavenworth. Again, the zombie bankers can eat the losses, which are unavoidable in any case. This is not an impossible demand: under the New Deal, the Frazier-Lemke Act stopped all foreclosures on homes, provided only that the owners could get a minimal payment plan approved by any judge in any court. With the help of popular pressure and public opinion, foreclosures virtually came to a halt. This is what we need to be demanding today.

3. Defend and fully fund the social safety net. Wall Street and Washington elites agree that the American people ought to be subjected to genocidal austerity – cuts so draconian that they will kill people. The goal is obviously to fund bigger and better bailouts of Goldman Sachs and J.P. Morgan Chase when they go bankrupt the next time around. Real unemployment in the United States is now about 25%, meaning that 30 million people cannot find work, and many have been looking for years. Therefore, we need to extend jobless benefits to all unemployed, including those who have been out of a job for 99 weeks and more. 46 million Americans are now surviving thanks to Food Stamps, but the reactionary Republicans are demanding savage cuts, and Obama is more than likely to cave. We also need to defend programs that specifically help children and young. These include S-CHIP, which gives health care to poor children; Head Start, which provides breakfast and preschool for poor kids; and WIC, which provides high-protein meals for pregnant women, nursing mothers, and infants. Older people have special problems, including that Wall Street speculators have destroyed the value of their 401(k) and IRA retirement plans. This means that Social Security pensions should be increased, and not cut, as the Republicans and Obama both want. Obama has already cut $500 billion out of Medicare, but he wants to cut it even more, and the Tea Party is eager to help him. The best healthcare would be to open Medicare to all Americans, while making the investments needed to maintain quality. Medicaid gives healthcare to poor people of any age, and these payments must be maintained.

4. Pay for healthcare and social services with a 1% Wall Street Sales Tax. When they hear demands like these, Fox news commentators will demand to know how these programs can be paid for. The answer is simple: the Tobin tax or Wall Street sales tax. Today the total financial turnover of the banksters in terms of buying, selling, and other trading comes to well over three quadrillion dollars yearly – that’s more than 3,000 trillion dollars. The rest of us pay sales tax on most purchases, often including the groceries, but Wall Street zombie bankers and hedge fund hyenas pay absolutely zero on that colossal sum. The most unfair aspect of the entire US tax system is that Wall Street pays virtually no taxes. It is time for the bankers to cough up 1% of every stock, bond, and derivatives transaction, be it program trading, high frequency trading, or computerized flash trading at the rate of one million transactions per second. The total revenue could be split between the federal government and the states, and would amount to hundreds of billions of dollars, perhaps even trillions – depending on how determined the speculators are to keep up their dirty deals. There is nothing impossible about this demand: the federal government had a financial transaction tax from the time of World War I in 1967. And even today, the largely right wing governments of the European Union are about to enact their own Tobin tax. Why can’t it be done here as well?

These are immediate agitational demands that can be readily understood by any person. They can form the leading edge of a struggle to break the political power of Wall Street. In addition, a full recovery from depression and the attainment of full employment for the first time since 1945 will require the nationalization of the Federal Reserve, and the issuing of successive tranches of $1 trillion of 0%, very long-term Federal credit for the building of infrastructure, with a goal of creating 30 million new productive jobs with adequate capital investment per job.

Another essential point is that Wall Street is the biggest nest of warmongers anywhere in the world. Anyone seeking to gain influence over the anti-Wall Street movement should be willing to condemn and denounce Obama’s wanton aggression against Libya, as well as to call for an immediate pullout of US troops from Afghanistan and Iraq. Anyone who refuses to do this should be regarded with grave suspicion.

The alternative to such concrete demands is, whether we like it or not, to remain in the orbit of Obama’s Democratic Party. Earlier this year, students, workers, and others occupied the state capitol in Madison, Wisconsin in response to attacks on working people coming from the fascist governor, Walker. The resistance against Walker was betrayed first of all by the Democratic Party, which announced that it would not fight for wages and benefits, but only for trade union rights in the abstract. That is a good program for trade union bureaucrats, but not so good for working people, who bore the brunt of Walker’s austerity. A president who was on the side of the people would have gone immediately to Madison, Wisconsin to hold a town hall on the occupied grounds of the state capitol, an event that would have looked much different than the canned, pre-screened teleprompter town halls Obama likes to address. A real president would have taken Attorney General Holder and Labor Secretary Solis along to investigate the denial of civil rights and labor violations by Walker. Obama did none of these things. Rather, he damned the movement with a few words of faint praise, and cut it loose. The lesson is that the Democratic Party is more than willing to sell out mass struggles anytime it can. And it is only by having your own program of anti-Wall Street demands that you can become independent of the rotten two-party system.

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Crazy man.... crazy....

Originally Posted by omon

these protests ae b.s. bunch of idiots walking all over wall street area, and using a buckets as drums, they are escoted by cops, lots of cops. the famous bull is blocked off, never seen it closed off before, i asked a cop why, he said so these idiots wouldn't vandalize it, since it is wall street symbol, entire wall street area is also blocked so the only way to walk is 1 narow sidewalk, early in the moring thousands of ppl go to work, thru these 6feet wide sidewalks, gets very packed, before that entire streets were opened.
there is absolutely noting these idiots will accomplish, besides inconviniance everyone that works there.
i'll try to take some pics tomorow, if i have time.

I saw these guys when I was on my way to the 9/11 memorial (I'll post pics soon). To be hinest, I was so unimpressed I didn't even bother with photos (and I am snapping EVERYTHING here). i'm sure some of them have some valid points to make, but I wasn't prepared to wade through the vapid & repetitious to find such folk. Seen better protests over lesser issues.

This is pretty funny:

Video: Liberal trust-fund baby complains about America’s unjust capitalist system | Video | TheBlaze.com

That guy is a douche... Douchebag Fall.... coined a term...
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This Revolution Is Televised: A little something for assholes who are complaining that there's a lack of Occupy Wall Street coverage
Published Sep 27 2011, 10:07 AM by Chris Faraone
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So I found out this morning on Twitter that there's to be an Occupy Boston powwow modeled after the Occupy Wall Street actions that have been going so well in New York. I was surprised not because the spirit spread to Mass, but because I didn't get a press release. Call me arrogant if you want, but the fact is that I probably cover more protests than any other reporter in Boston, and found it to be a bit strange.

Or maybe it's not so strange. Perhaps it's an intentional oversight so that those who occupy Boston can mimic their Big Apple counterparts and complain obsessively that there's no coverage. Which brings me to the real point of this post, which is to call bullshit on the parrot clowns who have been claiming for a week now that the media's ignoring the New York action. You know the type - they don't actually follow the news, but they know everything about it.

As displayed below, there was and is no lack of coverage - I'd even go as far as to say that I've never seen a protest action of this sort get more attention. From the start of the occupation to the time that shit got rowdy, reporters have been there documenting. I'm no fan of the mainstream press, but the fact – and I don't use that word loosely – is that they were on their job. As fun as it is to complain about us, the corporate media (and even outlets that are owned by these nefarious institutions) is not the problem here. Wall Street is.

I hope that Occupy Boston goes well. Much like the Occupy Wall Street kids, I wish nothing but the worst for all scumbags who pillaged our economy. But I'm getting really sick of political novices and hipster dipshits thinking that the world needs to suddenly pay attention because they bought a tent and made a sign. If you want a quick hand job, post something clever on Facebook. Most activists would chop a finger off to get half this much major coverage. Now stop being babies and carry on - you sound like Glenn Beck bitching that nobody covered his redneck parade in DC last year.

A VERY condensed list of Occupy Wall Street coverage (please note that many of these outlets have reported on the action several times, and that these links are just from BEFORE cops lost their ****ing minds down there, triggering the real media storm):

Read more: This Revolution Is Televised: A little something for assholes who are complaining that there's a lack of Occupy Wall Street coverage - Phlog

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Why Protest Movements Succeed: Occupy Wall Street Vs. The Tea Party
By: Noah Rothman
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Now in its closing phase, a recent attempt by several hundred if not thousands (accounts vary) of left-leaning protesters to “occupy wall street” has, by any objective assessment, failed to achieve its goals. Some of the comments in Ology’s coverage of the Occupy Wall Street (OWS) movement have questioned how this could be the case. They cite the Tea Party movement and its successes and wonder why that movement was successful when this movement failed. Let us compare these two recent case studies in protest movements dedicated to social change—one a wild success and the other… well, not.

Why OWS is a Crappy Protest

The Arrests Are Ongoing

First, for those in support of the articulated goals of the OWS movement, let’s define why the Tea Party movement is, in fact, successful. First, having come together around a rant by CNBC correspondent Rick Santelli in February, 2009, it went from fringe protest to powerful electoral force in very short order. Two months after Santelli’s rant, “Tax Day” protests sprung up around the country, followed shortly by the summer of “Angry Town Halls.”

Conservative protesters latched onto the President’s signature initiative, health care reform, and became the media foil to a story that was receiving a lot of coverage. They used that momentum to propel a number of self-described Tea Party representatives into Congress. Today, there is a caucus in Congress devoted to the Tea Party and its goals and every presidential candidate seeking the nomination has to genuflect towards that movement. This can be objectively described as a successful protest movement.

Why were they successful? First, the Tea Party embraced easy and limited demands. Second, the Tea Party had the ability to shape a media narrative by being the foil to that narrative. Finally, the Tea Party was compatible with, rather than opposed to, a pre-existing political establishment.

Easy and Limited Demands: Jonathan Moorman artfully opined on this in an earlier Ology post. OWS demands are myriad. Furthermore, there is no consensus as to what those demands are. They often sprawl into virtually every facet of progressivism; as such, they have received the admiration of the progressive movement and have done commensurate damage to that movement by appearing impotent. The Tea Party, by contrast, has a singular demand that is both easy to articulate and comprehend—smaller central government. This dovetails with reasons two and three: the Tea Party could become a foil to the larger sto ry of government mission creep in 2009-2010, and they could provide a megaphone for an already existing party platform (albeit an unfiltered one).

Be the Foil to a Media Narrative: The Tea Party was able to position itself as the opposition to Washington at a time when Democrats, and progressivism, was in command in the capitol. The media found novelty in what was at the time a limited opposition movement with little hope of having their goals met. Following two cycles in which Republicans in Congress were purged at historic rates, many believed this was the beginning of an era of progressivism and that the Tea Party was simply the last gasp of a dying ideology. The media attention they received would have a snowball effect. How has the OWS not met this goal? Well, contrary to what many of them believe, there are few articulating their goals around this center-right nation. Furthermore, the media narrative, presently focused on Republican electoral politics, is being eschewed rather than embraced by the protesters.

Furthermore, the OWS protesters believe they are main stream when they are not. Believe me, the guy in the Tricorne hat draped with tea bags is just as nutty looking as the topless hippie in multicolor bellbottoms with “I Am Troy Davis” scrawled across her chest. What OWS fails to understand is that most of the nation identifies with the former more than the latter and it is incumbent on OWS to project an image that is palatable to the country.

Embrace A Preexisting Political Establishment: The Tea Party could have gone third party, as the Reform movement in the early 1990s coalesced around Ross Perot​. They collectively chose not to and it was a cleaver decision. It allowed the Tea Party to harness the preexisting political network that was the Republican Party. Donors, advertisers, lobbyists, members of Congress and their staff were all at the Tea Party’s disposal. OWS not only does not embrace the Democratic Party, they openly flirt with a primary challenge to the most progressive president in three generations (a move that would, if even remotely successful, almost certainly doom Obama to a single term). The OWS, like the Tea Party, has ideological litmus tests that are exceedingly difficult to meet. However, the Tea Party settles while OWS pines for that which does not and has never existed (OWS has no use for a caucus of like minded representatives in Congress, for example). This adds to the impression that is rapidly taking shape that their movement is not a serious one.

OWS and the Tea Party share many similarities, and with better leadership and unspoken collective understanding that these three rules must be adhered to, there is the chance that OWS can capture the affection of disaffected progressives and move the Democratic Party toward the left. Whether this is a great electoral strategy in 2012 is a whole different question, but if that is their goal, they could do it. On their present trajectory, however, they are doomed to be what they presently are; a side show, amusing for now, but forgotten in a week.

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