Thread: Ineffective New York Protestors create chaos

Originally Posted by omon

i'll try to take some pics tomorow, if i have time.

ok these are the streets by nyse and federal reserve.
only small portion is always blocked off, now most of the streets blocked off , and the bull as well.

here is the bull. always was opened, tourists used to climb up on it to take pics, just as many took pics of them holding bull's balls, his head, horns and balls shine, the rest is dark bronze color.

Professional Protesters
Posted by LOGAN PENZA in At TMV.
Sep 27th, 2011 | 23 responses
Professional Protesters | The Moderate Voice
Protests directed at financiers continued on Wall Street for an 11th day, with occasional reports of violence from both protesters and police. But while most comments have focused on the violence, relatively little attention has been given to the content — or rather the lack of content — to the protests. A look at what the protesters actually are saying reveals the vacuity of their protest.

The group, taking its inspiration from the Arab Spring protests that swept through Africa and the Middle East, has taken up residence in a park in New York’s Financial District, calling for 20,000 people to flood the area for a “few months” to press home their point. Social media fueled those uprisings in places like Egypt and Libya and organizers are hoping it will work in the United States too.

So these people are essentially professional protesters, wealthy enough to take “a few months” away from earning a living to march and chant and throw things at people they don’t like. Given that they claim to represent the poor and disenfranchised, their ability to take such an extended period of time to indulge in a lengthy public tantrum is very revealing.

The desire to model the “Arab Spring” protests is also disturbing, given the level of violence that often was directed towards westerners, including the brutal gang rape of CBS reporter Laura Logan at an “Arab Spring” protest in Cairo. At a minimum, one would expect the protesters to be careful to differentiate themselves from the violent elements of some “Arab Spring” protests.

When they do lend policy content to their recycled-from-the-1960s process, it is laughably inane. In an apparent effort to try to match the idiocy of the “Tea Party” extremists, the protesters have apparently chosen Michael Moorez as their spokesperson, with predictably weird results.

“The rich are getting away with a huge crime,” documentary filmmaker Michael Moore said Monday on CNN’s “Piers Morgan Tonight.” “Nobody’s been arrested on Wall Street for the crash of 2008. They’re not paying their fair share of the taxes.”

Yes, Michael. Presumption of guilt and show trials are such a fantastic demonstration of democracy in action, right? And the “fair share” of taxes would be … what, exactly?

Moore spoke to the protesters before appearing on CNN, telling them that he’ll be happy when “the real people in this country are in charge” and he doesn’t have to make another movie or write another book on what he sees as the social and political ills of America.

Hm. Who are the “real people”, you might ask? Well, people who agree with the protesters of course! They won’t quit until the dissent they cherish for themselves is prohibited for everyone else.

The pictures of the protesters are also revealing. The group appears made up of retreads from the 1960s (who have made a lifestyle out of trying to recreate the wonder years of the anti-Vietnam protests and have begun to sound more than just a little tinny and out-of-touch) in roughly equal parts to those wearing union logos (no mystery where they are getting their money from, obviously — too bad the unemployed they claim to represent find themselves locked out of those very same protected union jobs).

Professional protesters. It would be ridiculous if it weren’t so offensively hypocritical.

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Occupy Wall Street; The Romper Room Revolution: [Opinion]
http://www.forextv.com/forex-news-st...lution-opinion

ForexTV NewsDesk | October 1 2011 11:09 EDT

ForexTV.com (New York) by Timothy Kelly



The Occupy Wall Street “movement” has a short and confusing life so far. The gatherings of disparate people don’t seem to agree on the general purpose of why they have come together there. Last night, the groups staged a protest march to police headquarters in Downtown Manhattan, but never made it there because they got lost. They were trying to “protest” the police reaction to an earlier “protest” before they got lost. Are you still with me?



The Occupy Wall Street web site says the group is a “…leaderless resistance group….opposed to greed” No kidding? Ranking this resistance “movement” I would say that it would best be described as the Romper-Room Resistance, a reference to a late 1970’s children’s Television program designed to give mom’s a thirty minute break while the show’s host engaged the kid’s in a random series of physical activities.



Also on Friday before the “march to nowhere,” there was a hoax spread around the Internet that a popular English rock group would be performing in support of the “movement.” The band never agreed to play, they were too busy with two sold-out shows uptown at the Roseland Ballroom…hey someone has to work. The “movement” is comprised mainly of people in their late teens or early twenties, most of them there because of the “promise” of a free concert. Is it really a movement when you lure impressionable adolescents with pop culture then try to indoctrinate them? History of the Third Reich tells us this is propaganda.


The organizers have proclaimed a decentralized management structure; they don’t want to limit the issues of their “movement,” to just a few themes (they want room to grow) and expand if need be. The timing and the structure of this group strongly suggest that it is a movement is a political party plant designed to counter the Tea Party with its conservative agenda on fiscal responsibility.



There is strong evidence to suggest that the Occupy Wall Street Movement is a Democratic Party ploy ahead of the 2012 elections at a time when the Democratic Administration has an abysmal record of performance in just about every measure. While the evidence seems fairly strong to link democrats with the Occupy Wall Street movement, was the farcical nature of the “movement” part of the plan?



And what democratic youth rally would be complete without Susan Sarandon and Michael Moore? This made-for-quickie-documentary “movement” is one of the most amateurish and ill-conceived social statements I have ever witnessed. The organizers of this event blindly chose Wall Street because it was the most obvious target that would raise the ire and scorn of a disenfranchised group. The opposite of greed is envy…and getting poor people to demonstrate on the evils of wealth is just too easy for them to resist.


The truth of the matter is that Wall Street employs most middle-class workers who earn wages of $40,000 to $50,000 a year. This is the wrong message at the wrong time, aimed at the wrong people. Protest for the sake of protesting is not a noble pursuit.



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Originally Posted by troung

Professional Protesters
Posted by LOGAN PENZA in At TMV.
Sep 27th, 2011 | 23 responses
Professional Protesters | The Moderate Voice
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When they do lend policy content to their recycled-from-the-1960s process, it is laughably inane. In an apparent effort to try to match the idiocy of the “Tea Party” extremists, the protesters have apparently chosen Michael Moorez as their spokesperson, with predictably weird results.

It doesn't matter the message this author is offering up- he strikes out with this paragraph.

If he can't represent the tea partiers honestly, I have no reason to assume he's representing the protesters honestly.

I have no problem with people have had enough- I have too. There should be 3 million of us there, it should have happened 3 years ago.

700 arrested after protest on NY's Brooklyn Bridge

By COLLEEN LONG - Associated Press | AP – 3 hrs ago

NEW YORK (AP) — More than 700 protesters demonstrating against corporate greed, global warming and social inequality, among other grievances, were arrested Saturday after they swarmed the Brooklyn Bridge and shut down a lane of traffic for several hours in a tense confrontation with police.

The group Occupy Wall Street has been camped out in a plaza in Manhattan's Financial District for nearly two weeks staging various marches, and had orchestrated an impromptu trek to Brooklyn on Saturday afternoon. They walked in thick rows on the sidewalk up to the bridge, where some demonstrators spilled onto the roadway after being told to stay on the pedestrian pathway, police said.

The majority of those arrested were given citations for disorderly conduct and were released, police said.

Some protesters sat on the roadway, chanting "Let us go," while others chanted and yelled at police from the pedestrian walkaway above. Police used orange netting to stop the group from going farther down the bridge, which is under construction.

Some of the protesters said they were lured onto the roadway by police, or they didn't hear the calls from authorities to head to the pedestrian walkway. Police said no one was tricked into being arrested, and those in the back of the group who couldn't hear were allowed to leave.

"Multiple warnings by police were given to protesters to stay on the pedestrian walkway and that if they took roadway they would be arrested," said Paul Browne, the chief spokesman of the New York Police Department.

Erin Larkins, a Columbia University graduate student at who says she and her boyfriend have significant student loan debt, was among the thousands of protesters on the bridge. She said a friend persuaded her to join the march and she's glad she did.

"I don't think we're asking for much, just to wake up every morning not worrying whether we can pay the rent, or whether our next meal will be rice and beans again," Larkins wrote in an email to The Associated Press. "No one is expecting immediate change. I think everyone is just hopeful that people will wake up a bit and realize that the more we speak up, the more the people that do have the authority to make changes in this world listen."

Several videos taken of the event show a confusing, chaotic scene. Some show protesters screaming obscenities at police and taking a hat from one of the officers. Others show police struggling with people who refuse to get up. Nearby, a couple posed for wedding pictures on the bridge.

"We were supposed to go up the pedestrian roadway," said Robert Cammiso, a 48-year-old student from Brooklyn told the Daily News. "There was a huge funnel, a bottleneck, and we couldn't fit. People jumped from the walkway onto the roadway. We thought the roadway was open to us."

Earlier Saturday, thousands who joined two other marches crossed the Brooklyn Bridge without problems. One was from Brooklyn to Manhattan by a group opposed to genetically modified food. Another in the opposite direction marched against poverty organized by United Way.

Elsewhere in the U.S. on Saturday, protesters assembled in Albuquerque, N.M., Boston and Los Angeles to express their solidarity with the movement in New York, though their demands remain unclear. Occupy Wall Street demonstrators have been camped in Zuccotti Park and have clashed with police on earlier occasions. Mostly, the protests have been peaceful, and the movement has shown no signs of losing steam. Celebrities including Michael Moore and Susan Sarandon made recent stops to encourage the group.

During the length of the protest, turnout has varied, but the numbers have reached as high as about a few thousand. A core group of about two hundred people remain camped throughout the week. They sleep on air mattresses, use Mac laptops and play drums. They go to the bathroom at the local McDonald's. A few times a day, they march down to Wall Street, yelling, "This is what democracy looks like!"

There has been a growing swell of coverage in mainstream media, but there has been loud complaining the cause hasn't been championed fast enough — or in the way protesters want.
Misinformation has added to the confusion. For instance, a rumor sprang up on Twitter that the New York Police Department wanted to use tear gas on protesters — a crowd-control tactic the department doesn't use. The claim was eventually retracted, one of several such retractions over the past several days. On Friday, a message said Radiohead would be performing in solidarity for the cause, but the band's management said it wasn't playing.

Earlier clashes with police have resulted in about 100 arrests. Most were for disorderly conduct. Many were the subject of homemade videos posted online.

One video surfaced of a group of girls shot with pepper spray by NYPD Deputy Inspector Anthony Bologna. The woman claimed they were abused and demanded the officer resign, and the video has been the subject of several news articles and commentary. Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly said internal affairs would look into whether Bologna acted improperly and has also said the video doesn't show "tumultuous" behavior by the protesters.

A real estate firm that owns Zuccotti Park, the private plaza off Broadway occupied by the protesters, has expressed concerns about conditions there, saying in a statement that it hopes to work with the city to restore the park "to its intended purpose." But it's not clear whether legal action will be taken, and police say there are no plans to try to remove anyone.

Seasoned activists said the ad-hoc protest could prove to be a training ground for future organizers of larger and more cohesive demonstrations, or motivate those on the sidelines to speak out against injustices.

"You may not get much, or any of these things on the first go-around," said the Rev. Herbert Daughtry, a longtime civil rights activist who has participated in protests for decades. "But it's the long haul that matters."

Dear Ms. Larkins: Shut the fcuk up! You chose to go study at Columbia University, arguably one of the most expensive institutes of higher education in the USA, if not the world. If you couldn't afford it, you shouldn't have gone. No one forced you to get student loads and to worry about your rice and bean breakfast. You have no one to blame but yourself, at least have the decency to accept that your lazy, stuck up, deadbeat, sense-of-entitlement having ass did this to yourself. Do one of two things: 1) Live with your decisions and stop bitching about them, or 2) Get the fcuk out of and remove yourself wholly and entirely from my society, that society which is filled with decent people that think out things before they do them and are willing to accept the consequence of their actions. Being a public nuisance is not an option.

Fcuk you very much, you every other lazy ass out there that feels the world owes them something. The world owes you jack shit, and in your case that's still too much

Protesters are as bad as the banks

Rich Kids Protesting Wall Street
Posted on October 2nd, 2011
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Some of the progressive blogs are lauding the protests against Wall Street as if these protests were an uprising of the “PEOPLE” against the rich, and a copy of the heroism of the Arab Spring.

Now, I am aghast at the Wall Street shenanigans as much as the next person, but when the president and his men are deeply enmeshed in that culture of a new world financial order, I doubt they will listen to me.

And exactly what is the alternative? I mean, yes, I’ve read Chomsky et al but it seems that their anti capitalistic rhetoric didn’t exactly work when it was put into practice. Zimbabwe, North Korea, Venezuela and pre capitalistic China were not exactly places of peace and prosperity, whereas South Korea, Malaysia, South Africa and Brazil are getting out of poverty the capitalistic way.

Luckily you live in a free system where you won’t “disappear” for protesting.

On the other hand, I am not sure what you and these 700 clowns are going to do, beside make folks wonder why there are so few of them.

Come on now: Liberals used to be able to get crowds of thousands to protest anything in the good old days. What’s wrong with our young people?

Well, I shouldn’t say only 700: The crowd swelled to a full 2000 after a rock group was supposed to show up….and didn’t.

“I actually think it’s kind of ridiculous,” said a dreadlocked 20-year-old who identified himself as Pigpen. “The only reason 500 people are here is because they think Radiohead is going to be here.”

Organizers were red-faced.

They were even more redfaced when they picketed the wrong office.

A crowd of more than 2,000 people marched up Broadway, past a closed City Hall Park, under the arch of the Municipal Building and massed outside what some mistakenly thought was NYPD headquarters.

But most of the chanting horde plopped down in front of One St. Andrew’s Plaza, which houses the U.S. Attorney’s Office, not the NYPD.

So what’s the next step? Block ordinary folks from getting home, of course. No, not the tunnels near Wall Street, but the Brooklyn Bridge, near China Town. I guess it’s a bit closer to Wall Street than the George Washington Bridge, but stopping the traffic a couple hours for middle class and working folks is not the way to win friends and influence people.

And this protester should have cut her mouth shut.

Erin Larkins, a graduate student at Columbia University who says she and her boyfriend have $130,000 combined in student loan debt, was among the thousands of protesters on the bridge. She said a friend persuaded her to join the march and she’s glad she did.

“I don’t think we’re asking for much, just to wake up every morning not worrying whether we can pay the rent, or whether our next meal will be rice and beans again,”

She owes $130 000 dollars but “isn’t asking for much”? Exactly how much money does she think “much” is?

Presumably she never heard the expression “There is no such thing as a free lunch”.

Except of course she already not only has had a free lunch but the equivalent of a free education at someone else’s expense. Who wants to bet she and her boyfriend will default in paying back the loans, and feel justified in doing so because it’s “rich folks” money (read retirement savings from hardworking old folks like us).

Well, honey, instead of “asking” for a free lunch, I can think of some alternatives.

Maybe she should have gone to a cheaper University than Colombia, where a year of graduate work will cost $32,000.

My grandchildren and I attended states universities where tuition was lower, and we worked part time to supplement our fees.

My son earned tuition money from Americorps.

I paid back part of my tuition loans by working in needy areas, my son in law got his masters degree thanks to the US Navy, and my husband earned his tuition from his veterans benefits.

Nah. Working a couple years building homes in Appalachia like my son might ruin her manicure, and she probably never even met someone who was in the military (”not one of us”).

Or maybe she should not have gone to graduate school but found a job instead, and gone to graduate school at night.

A third option, of course, is to marry her boyfriend and then flip coins to see which one quits to go to work and which one finishes the degree first.Nah, forget it. That would take hard work and maturity, neither of which seems to be on display.

Talk is cheap. It’s easy to “demonstrate” against problems, but harder to find a solution.

I have no solution to the world’s economic problems, but I suspect you have even less idea of how the world economic system works, let alone a suggestion on how to fix it.

But if you are a spoiled rich kid with an attitude and a handy IPad that the world “owes” you something, that doesn’t matter. You want to “do something”, and protesting with the possibility of a RadioHead concert is a lot more fun that working in a homeless shelter or tutoring kids after school.

Oh, I’m so impressed (not).

Could an old lady give you some advice?

Keep your mouth shut and stop dissing the hard working cops. They weren’t the ones who bilked billions from Wall street.

Unlike you, they work hard for their money, and often risk their lives to keep the city streets safe for your benefit.

You know, even when we older hardworking and law abiding folks hear of the “innocent” being peppersprayed, we are cynical about it. You have been trying to provoke a reaction for days, and now that you have provoked an incident trying to block ordinary folks from using a bridge to get home after work, you have your headlines and are happy.

Maybe Powerline is right in saying ” the days are gone when a policeman can wantonly assault protesters, no matter how obnoxious they may be”, but some of us figure that after days of verbal insults and harssment trying to start violence and blocking traffic etc. in order to get a headline, that it is a miracle that it took this long for someone to snap.

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Nancy Reyes is a retired physician living in the rural Philippines.

Unlimited immigration doesn't mesh well with a living wage for all... lol...

Proposed List Of Demands For Occupy Wall St Movement!
https://www.occupywallst.org/forum/p...all-st-moveme/
Posted 7 days ago by LloydJHart (Vineyard Haven, MA)

Demand one: Restoration of the living wage. This demand can only be met by ending "Freetrade" by re-imposing trade tariffs on all imported goods entering the American market to level the playing field for domestic family farming and domestic manufacturing as most nations that are dumping cheap products onto the American market have radical wage and environmental regulation advantages. Another policy that must be instituted is raise the minimum wage to twenty dollars an hr.

Demand two: Institute a universal single payer healthcare system. To do this all private insurers must be banned from the healthcare market as their only effect on the health of patients is to take money away from doctors, nurses and hospitals preventing them from doing their jobs and hand that money to wall st. investors.

Demand three: Guaranteed living wage income regardless of employment.

Demand four: Free college education.

Demand five: Begin a fast track process to bring the fossil fuel economy to an end while at the same bringing the alternative energy economy up to energy demand.

Demand six: One trillion dollars in infrastructure (Water, Sewer, Rail, Roads and Bridges and Electrical Grid) spending now.

Demand seven: One trillion dollars in ecological restoration planting forests, reestablishing wetlands and the natural flow of river systems and decommissioning of all of America's nuclear power plants.

Demand eight: Racial and gender equal rights amendment.

Demand nine: Open borders migration. anyone can travel anywhere to work and live.

Demand ten: Bring American elections up to international standards of a paper ballot precinct counted and recounted in front of an independent and party observers system.

Demand eleven: Immediate across the board debt forgiveness for all. Debt forgiveness of sovereign debt, commercial loans, home mortgages, home equity loans, credit card debt, student loans and personal loans now! All debt must be stricken from the "Books." World Bank Loans to all Nations, Bank to Bank Debt and all Bonds and Margin Call Debt in the stock market including all Derivatives or Credit Default Swaps, all 65 trillion dollars of them must also be stricken from the "Books." And I don't mean debt that is in default, I mean all debt on the entire planet period.

Demand twelve: Outlaw all credit reporting agencies.

Demand thirteen: Allow all workers to sign a ballot at any time during a union organizing campaign or at any time that represents their yeah or nay to having a union represent them in collective bargaining or to form a union.

These demands will create so many jobs it will be completely impossible to fill them without an open borders policy.

Lloyd J Hart 508-687-9153

Truth is, I agree with number 10. This whole Electoral College story is fcuked up...

The other 12 are just plain freaking stupidity