Rick Perry is throwing his hat into the ring

**bonehead** · 14 Sep 11,, 16:39

Originally Posted by 7thsfsniper

Now I have dealt with the hispanic language barrier....I speak spanish, however, when a business insists on spanish being the first language of that business, I remind them that is not assimilating or melting. There is a mexican restaurant that I have frequented for many years in Joplin. If I wanted my order correct, I usually had to order in Spanish. I have finally tired of that and all other like that here. I'll take my biz elsewhere. AFAIC though, they can have McDonalds, I won't go to one. I'll go jungle before I step into any of them.

I'd bend the rules when going to an "ethnic" place to eat. Sometimes that is part of the fun. McDonalds or any other American establishment? Hell no.

**Roosveltrepub** · 14 Sep 11,, 16:57

Originally Posted by bonehead

No doubt about it. Our food supply is turning to shit. Just another reason our healthcare is skyrocketing. The common denominator? The FDA.

I grew up on McDonalds and frequented often as a kid. Every year their food got a little bit worse so putting and end to the habit was not too difficult. Turns out many other fast food places are not much better. The scary thing is that I don't see the food supply getting any better, either in restaurants or the grocery store.

I think if you mean allowing the use of things like pink slime as beef I agree to a degree. i think far more harm is done by the subsidization of corn and wheat which leads to a diet of crappy refined carbs and subsidized meats unaturally high in bad fats and devoid of omega 3s due to the production process. Pork and beef as well as chicken are kept artifically low priced. We'd be far better off switching some of those subsidies if we must have them to drive down the prices of things like beans, fruit and leafy greens or subsidizing grass fed meat products. the other negative is the advent of industrial meat production. The animals live high stress lives and are pumped full of anti biotics. there is no way I could be convinced the flesh from an animal sick with stress and filled with cortisols isnt inferior to something that lives a traditional pig or cows life.

The other real negative which some here might disagree with is the lack of epa oversight on industrial meat factories. We see the down side to that with the ever increasing frequency of bacterial contamination from feces in other products and ground meats as well as the noxious amonia and sulfer compounds pumped into the air and water. Farms smell. I lived near a traditional veal farm it stunk but nothing like the putrid smell of today's pig and cow factories. They remind me of a rendering plant they stink so bad. If we are what we eat and we eat animals that are sick their entire life what's the surprose we are sick.

**Roosveltrepub** · 14 Sep 11,, 17:02

Originally Posted by bonehead

I'd bend the rules when going to an "ethnic" place to eat. Sometimes that is part of the fun. McDonalds or any other American establishment? Hell no.

I've got to say I blame the guy doing the hiring if the help can't communicate. I'd bet dollars to donuts a sizeable number of those working at the chains now do so with a pilfered SS numbers because they are illegal. I love ethnic food as well and love the food carts around Yale. there must be 50 of them from every corner of the globe near the medical school and hospital and the food is actually kick ass as well as dirt cheap.

**Blue** · 15 Sep 11,, 03:29

I definitely agree with you guys on the food. That's exacly why we always buy organic everything, get what we can from local, like-minded farmers we trust, and we grow a lot of our own stuff. Hoping to get some poultry next year and we are building a high-tunnel in the spring to extend our growing season.

But back to the thread. I gotta say that four years of Perry scares me worse than four more of Obama. Besides, the dems are gonna lose the senate and even more of the house in 2012. Four years of lame duck Obama don't sound bad.

**bonehead** · 18 Sep 11,, 00:10

Originally Posted by 7thsfsniper

I definitely agree with you guys on the food. That's exacly why we always buy organic everything, get what we can from local, like-minded farmers we trust, and we grow a lot of our own stuff. Hoping to get some poultry next year and we are building a high-tunnel in the spring to extend our growing season.

But back to the thread. I gotta say that four years of Perry scares me worse than four more of Obama. Besides, the dems are gonna lose the senate and even more of the house in 2012. Four years of lame duck Obama don't sound bad.

Sigh. The election is still a year away and some have already resigned to the lesser of the two evils. Kind of a shame we can't resurrect out founding fathers so they can put this country back on track. Lord knows the current batch, in and running are no more than a fraudulent gaggle of corrupt felons who don't care a bit about the country they are supposed to be serving.

**dalem** · 18 Sep 11,, 02:56

Originally Posted by bonehead

Sigh. The election is still a year away and some have already resigned to the lesser of the two evils. Kind of a shame we can't resurrect out founding fathers so they can put this country back on track. Lord knows the current batch, in and running are no more than a fraudulent gaggle of corrupt felons who don't care a bit about the country they are supposed to be serving.

Which ones are the felons, exactly?

-dale

**bonehead** · 18 Sep 11,, 03:44

Originally Posted by dalem

Which ones are the felons, exactly?

-dale

Any congressman at the moment.
The things they have gotten away with over the years is nothing short of treason, sedition, fraud, corruption, bribery, and more. Every time we lower the bar they adjust and still fall short. Its time we start raising the bar to a reasonable level and, if/when no one can meet that standard, the seat stays vacant. No more holding our noses and voting the lessor of the two evils.

**Laser** · 18 Sep 11,, 04:03

Originally Posted by bonehead

Sigh. The election is still a year away and some have already resigned to the lesser of the two evils. Kind of a shame we can't resurrect out founding fathers so they can put this country back on track. Lord knows the current batch, in and running are no more than a fraudulent gaggle of corrupt felons who don't care a bit about the country they are supposed to be serving.

In the Parliamentary system of Govt. there is a procedure that allows the population, or other members, to "fire" a non performing politician. The governing body can have a vote, and if they reach a vote of "no confidence", the governors can fire the offending member, and call a snap election to replace them. It seems to me, our own Constitutional Republic should have some form of this procedure. It would be very useful in the case of situations like Obama, Carter, Clinton, or Nixon.

More and more we find ourselves in this predicament where the President has lost credibility, for one reason or another, and the public is forced to endure their tenure until the next election. It's stupid and we should change this. I think it would be very helpful in our efforts to keep better quality people in office. I think this would be a Constitutional amendment that the Founding fathers would approve of.

**Gun Grape** · 18 Sep 11,, 17:32

In the US the process is called Impeachment.

I don't want it to be as easy as the parliamentary systems. Being in charge isn't about being popular. One of the reasons nothing gets done in Europe. They pass on the tough decisions for fear of being kicked out of office.

**bonehead** · 18 Sep 11,, 22:26

Originally Posted by Gun Grape

In the US the process is called Impeachment.

I don't want it to be as easy as the parliamentary systems. Being in charge isn't about being popular. One of the reasons nothing gets done in Europe. They pass on the tough decisions for fear of being kicked out of office.

Impeachment? LOL Look where that has gotten us. We have the wolves in charge of the hen house and as our last impeachment has proved, its nothing but a slap on the wrist.
We need a paparazzi that follows and documents every one of their moves. We also need an independent/non political justice system that brings forth charges and prosecutes. Any congressmen found guilty of a capital crime gets to face mandatory and lengthy prison times for crimes against the country. Those guilty of lesser crimes gets an automatic boot from office.

**bonehead** · 18 Sep 11,, 22:28

Originally Posted by Laser

In the Parliamentary system of Govt. there is a procedure that allows the population, or other members, to "fire" a non performing politician. The governing body can have a vote, and if they reach a vote of "no confidence", the governors can fire the offending member, and call a snap election to replace them. It seems to me, our own Constitutional Republic should have some form of this procedure. It would be very useful in the case of situations like Obama, Carter, Clinton, or Nixon.

More and more we find ourselves in this predicament where the President has lost credibility, for one reason or another, and the public is forced to endure their tenure until the next election. It's stupid and we should change this. I think it would be very helpful in our efforts to keep better quality people in office. I think this would be a Constitutional amendment that the Founding fathers would approve of.

Unfortunately its not just the president. Too many members of congress are rotten as well. Allowing congress to police its own is a tragic mistake.

**Gun Grape** · 19 Sep 11,, 02:58

Originally Posted by bonehead

Impeachment? LOL Look where that has gotten us. We have the wolves in charge of the hen house and as our last impeachment has proved, its nothing but a slap on the wrist.

Thomas Porteous, Jr. was removed from the bench and barred from ever holding public office. Thats a bit more than a slap on the wrist.

**bonehead** · 20 Sep 11,, 03:32

Originally Posted by Gun Grape

Thomas Porteous, Jr. was removed from the bench and barred from ever holding public office. Thats a bit more than a slap on the wrist.

Clinton lied under oath. Slap on the wrist.

**bonehead** · 26 Sep 11,, 01:12

The honeymoon is over and Perry is starting to fade. Despite the tea parties best efforts, their candidates are losing to a RHINO. Mitt has been distancing himself in the debates as well.
Mitt Romney outshines GOP rivals in Mich. straw poll | Statesman Journal | statesmanjournal.com

Now for the gritty. Will the eventual nomination of Romney fracture the republicans and hand over the WH to Obama for another 4 years, or is this carefully orchestrated to take the moderate "swing votes" from Obama in an, all out and at any cost, move to make Obama a single term president.

**Gun Grape** · 26 Sep 11,, 02:55

Originally Posted by bonehead

Clinton lied under oath. Slap on the wrist.

You said the last one. Porteous was the last impeachment and trial.

Clinton was not found guilty of the charges. Why should he have been punished?

The only thing President Clinton was found guilty of was Civil Contempt of Court by the Fed District Judge. He recieved a $90 thousand fine and had his Law License suspended for 5 years.

It was a stupid trial, brought forth by a group of stupid Republicans. Did not rise to the level of a Impeachable offense IMO. The people of the US agreed, in that the Republicans took a huge hit in the next elections.Democrats gained seats in Congress and took over the Senate.