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    Quote Originally Posted by Roosveltrepub View Post
    S I L L Y S E A S O N

    A white man is to a racist like a black man is to a monkey I don't get the correlation. Are you saying some white people are racists and some blacks monkeys? I dont think you meant that but come on next you will tell me that watermelons on the white house lawn email wasnt racist because George Washingtom like cherries.
    Why is calling blacks "monkey" derogatory? Or racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Roosveltrepub View Post
    Liberals blame the victim? Could you please back up that ridiculous flame baiting?
    What's wrong with the term "liberal?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gun Grape View Post
    No. Did you see Reagans? Bush? Clintons? Bush 2? No you didn't. Obama is the only candidate (when he released it) to show his birth certificate/Certification of live birth
    What would have happened if McCain were elected?

    McCain's citizenship called into question
    Candidate, born in Panama Canal Zone, may not qualify as 'natural born'

    By Pete Williams
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    updated 2/29/2008 7:21:39 PM ET

    Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., and his advisers are doing their best to brush aside questions — raised in the liberal blogosphere — about whether he is qualified under the Constitution to be president. But many legal scholars and government lawyers say it's a serious question with no clear answer.

    The problem arises from a phrase in the Constitution setting out who is eligible to be president. Article II, which also specifies that a person must be at least 35 years old, says "No person except a natural born Citizen" can be president.

    Sen. McCain is undoubtedly a citizen. He was born on Aug. 29, 1936, in the Panama Canal Zone, and Congress has specifically provided that anyone born there of U.S. parents, as he was, is a citizen. Indeed, the general rule is that anyone born of U.S. parents outside the United States is a citizen.

    But is John McCain a natural born citizen? The Constitution does not define the term further, and legal scholars say the notes of the Constitution's drafters shed little light on what they meant. It seems clear only that the founders wanted to make certain that whoever was president would be loyal to the U.S. alone and not to some other country. But the term "natural born citizen," many scholars say, was not in common use at the time the Constitution was written.

    Sen. McCain's supporters draw some comfort from a law passed in 1790 by the first Congress. It provided that the children of US citizens born outside the US "shall be considered as natural born citizens." The law is no longer in effect, but it provides some guidance on what the founders had in mind at the time of the Constitution.

    And some legal experts find it hard to believe the founders would have considered their own children, if born overseas, to be ineligible for the presidency.

    "If John and Abigail Adams were sent to France on a diplomatic mission, I find it inconceivable that they would have thought their children were not natural born citizens," said Professor John Parry of Lewis and Clark Law School.

    Issue has come up before
    This issue has been raised before in the presidential campaigns of Barry Goldwater, born in Arizona territory not the United States, and George Romney, born in Mexico. But it was never resolved.

    In 1964, the Supreme Court seemed to say, without deciding, that "natural born" meant born inside the United States. In an opinion on an unrelated issue, the court observed, "The rights of citizenship of the native born and of the naturalized person are of the same dignity and are coextensive. The only difference drawn by the Constitution is that only the 'natural born' citizen is eligible to be President." But that language is not legally binding, and the Supreme Court has never ruled on what "natural born" means.

    The ambiguity has stirred concern for decades. In 1987, New York Times columnist William Safire suggested amending the Constitution. "The 'natural born' phrase unfairly burdens children of Americans born abroad ... because it casts a shadow across any candidacy: if elected, the President-elect would surely face a challenge on the born-abroad impediment," he wrote.

    Sen. McCain has the support of Ted Olson, the former U.S. solicitor general. "The plain meaning of 'natural born citizen' includes persons who become citizens of this nation 'naturally,' that is, by virtue of their birth to parents who are citizens, particularly when the birth takes place on territory occupied and controlled by the United States, in Senator McCain's case, a U.S. military base in the Panama Canal Zone," Olson says in a statement. But that is by no means a universally held view.

    U.S. 'never had sovereignty' over Canal Zone
    Besides, many legal scholars say the Canal Zone never was sovereign U.S. territory. In a February 1978 speech to the nation on the Panama Canal Treaty, heavily vetted by government lawyers, President Carter said, "We have never had sovereignty over it. We have only had the right to use it. The US Supreme Court and previous American presidents have repeatedly acknowledged the sovereignty of Panama over the Canal Zone."

    It's not clear, either, who would have the legal right to sue if McCain were elected president. One expert on federal procedure said any taxpayer aggrieved by an action of a President McCain would have standing to challenge his qualifications.

    Legal scholars generally agree on one thing, however. If this issue did produce a legal challenge, the courts would be very reluctant to invalidate the results of an election, especially given such an uncertain legal landscape.
    McCain's citizenship called into question - Nightly News - msnbc.com

    Obama is being scrutinized because he's in the White House. Had he lost, no one would bother. It's like a contravercial call in sports. The team would complain if that led to a loss, but wouldn't bother if it had won.

    This is just a little pay back for the "George Bush stole the election" rant by the lefties for 8 years.
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    I'm getting the two sides of this argument.

    Politicallty correct - We should not question Obama's birth because he is black.

    Politically reality - We should question Obama's birth precisely he is black.

    Us non-Americans don't care. He's your President. Deal with it. We have to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gun Grape View Post
    Not in the eyes of the US government. he would still be a natural Born US citizen. Parents cannot renounce the citizenship of their minor children.
    That's the one that makes me laugh on this topic. Let's suppose he wasn't born in America. No proof of that, but let's grant the hypothetical. Wouldn't he still be a U.S. citizen anyway?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gun Grape View Post
    Yes you do. Obama would not have possession of his old passports. I had to mail my old expired one in with the application for the new one. Also had to surrender my blue one when I got my fancy red one way back when.
    I got my old one back with a hole punched in it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreadnought View Post
    Sure you do, didnt you see the heiroglyphs on the cave wall? Just kidding Kiwi.
    Oh you'll pay for that one
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    A hell of a lot better than a certain gunny maj that I chewed up, swallowed, and then sh!t him out.

    And he presented himself fully dressed at breakfeast no less.
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    In the current bunch, Pawlenty and Romney seem like the only guys who are realistic presidential options, but I find it unfathomable that the GOP base could seriously consider a Mormon candidate (despite the fact that Mormons are typically GOP leaning) ...

    I'm not super up to date on US politics... but is there any reason to think that Pawlenty wouldn't win the nomination?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dalem View Post
    That's the one that makes me laugh on this topic. Let's suppose he wasn't born in America. No proof of that, but let's grant the hypothetical. Wouldn't he still be a U.S. citizen anyway?

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    I think that the big deal is if he was born in the USA or not, because you have to be born on US soil to be able to run for a presidency.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doktor View Post
    I think that the big deal is if he was born in the USA or not, because you have to be born on US soil to be able to run for a presidency.
    American vaginas are American soil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gunnut View Post
    Why is calling blacks "monkey" derogatory? Or racist?



    What's wrong with the term "liberal?"
    Nothing is wrong with the word liberal. Now tell me where you learned all liberals blame the victime since that was the question I asked

    The black man as the monkey is common in racist imagery in the USA from political cartoons to advertising. Did you know the word sambo is rooted in an african word for monkey? Now you do. Now you realize why linking blacks to monkeys in our culture is rooted in a racist tradition. A simple google stroll can give you the images. Why is comparing a white man to a racist like comparing a black man to a monkey? I didnt get your answer.http://colorlines.com/archives/2008/...cts_obama.html They denied they realized it was racist too. Perhaps some don't actually realize what the word means? at some point claiming ignorance should result in someone stepping aside just because they claim ignorance. http://blogs.suntimes.com/mitchell/2...and_black.html How many times does it have to hit the news before the excuse doesn't fly anymore?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dalem View Post
    American vaginas are American soil.

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    LOL, I spit coffee through my nose reading that I laughed so hard
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doktor View Post
    I think that the big deal is if he was born in the USA or not, because you have to be born on US soil to be able to run for a presidency.
    He already provided the proof. The big deal is why are some people unwilling to accept it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RollingWave View Post
    In the current bunch, Pawlenty and Romney seem like the only guys who are realistic presidential options, but I find it unfathomable that the GOP base could seriously consider a Mormon candidate (despite the fact that Mormons are typically GOP leaning) ...

    I'm not super up to date on US politics... but is there any reason to think that Pawlenty wouldn't win the nomination?
    If I was unsatisfied with Obama's long term deficit approach come 2012 and Huntsman or maybe Daniels if I could get by his role in creating the mess was running I would take them over Pawlenty. Romney and Pawlenty seem unattractive because they are world class panderers
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    Is it now a republican position to demand to see presidential curcumsion reports? The hijacking of the grand ol party is why 2012 will be a slaughter. I mean really....what right do they think they have to know that kind of information?
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