Thread: KSM 9/11 trial controversy

IMO, Its an " Obamanation" he should never see the inside of a US courtroom and once again Obama has his efforts focused in another place then where they should be, on the Economy and definately on Iran. We should make this short and sweet, find him not guilty and then let him walk out of the courthouse and face the American people. He wouldnt last thirty seconds on a New York street before somebody gunned him down like the piece of shat he really is. Justice is served and no need to give this disgusting creature any media attention nor a soapbox to stand upon to preach his hatred.

i wish he stood in front of something more like the nuremberg tribunals than just a US civvie court.

Originally Posted by Dreadnought

IMO, Its an " Obamanation" he should never see the inside of a US courtroom and once again Obama has his efforts focused in another place then where they should be, on the Economy and definately on Iran. We should make this short and sweet, find him not guilty and then let him walk out of the courthouse and face the American people. He wouldnt last thirty seconds on a New York street before somebody gunned him down like the piece of shat he really is. Justice is served and no need to give this disgusting creature any media attention nor a soapbox to stand upon to preach his hatred.

This is a justice dept matter and not a distraction from Iran or the economy.

Originally Posted by Prof

Those were military tribunals.

Prof

Nah meng, their trial was a civil trial by jury. A show trial nonetheless, and their crime and residency status was much different that KSM and his cohorts, but it was a national security-related trial during a time of war.

Originally Posted by Roosveltrepub

This is a justice dept matter and not a distraction from Iran or the economy.

Really? Didnt stop him from becoming involved in little town politics such as when his professor friend hd he run in with the law.

It was originally a military matter and now it has been made a public circus.

Originally Posted by Dreadnought

Really? Didnt stop him from becoming involved in little town politics such as when his professor friend hd he run in with the law.

It was originally a military matter and now it has been made a public circus.

Once they got to Gitmo we had no means to deal with them and the means drafted and so many of the things we tried doing got ruled unconstitutional. Aren't you tired of our courts saying we are breaking our laws? It really has been a gordion knot. If it had been treated as a military matter from say one I'd agree but it really wasn't. In the end this could be good pr for us or a disaster. I really hope it shows our systems strengths to the world. Not to many other places would give this monster a day in court

I think the other was a quip he would give a finger to have a redo on. As a constitutional expert I imagine he had some thoughts on the whole issue and think I was being naive saying he left it all to justice. He does know a bit more about the constitution than most if not all here he was a professor teaching constitutional law right?

IMO, They should all face trials such as Nurenberg, with immediate sentence carried out shortly thereafter. There were no civilian court rights administered and the monsters punished. He and his followers should all be a windchime by now unfortunately the American taxpayers will once again foot the bill for this "circus".

This should clarify what the risks are for even the dimmest among us that have tried to defend the absolutely insane decision to give KSM et al a civilian trial. The idiots that use prior trials to try to justify how well THIS one will work out for us should consider just how bad those cases could have gone for us.

It was close to being a total disaster, and THIS one WILL be, because our intelligent enemies will not make the same mistake again.

Like WE just did.

Read, and feel the fear. From PowerLine:

What the law enforcement approach buys you

January 5, 2010 Posted by Paul at 9:03 AM
My main objection to trying foreign terrorists in federal district court is dogmatic, not pragmatic. These guys no more deserve access to our federal courts than to our welfare system.

But this is not to minimize the pragmatic arguments against granting such access. Andy McCarthy explains why yesterday's Fourth Circuit decision upholding the conviction of Zacarias Moussaoui demonstrates that, if Moussaoui had contested his guilt, things might well have turned out very differently:

The appellate court notes that Moussaoui claims it was error for the trial judge to interfere with his unqualified right to represent himself; "to have personal, pretrial access to classified, exculpatory evidence"; and to be able to summon witnesses like co-conspirator Khalid Sheikh Mohammed for trial testimony. The Fourth Circuit acknowledges that all these claims have merit, but the court finds that Moussaoui, by pleading guilty, waived any claim of prejudice. Opinion at pp. 24-28. Even more alarming, the Fourth Circuit concedes that its waiver rationale is inconsistent with a decision by the Ninth Circuit on which Moussaoui relies -- i.e., if the Fourth Circuit had followed the Ninth Circuit, there's a good chance it would have had to agree that, regardless of the guilty plea, Moussaoui's convictions should be reversed.
Memo to the Department of Justice: if you insist on trying these guys in federal court, don't do it on the West Coast.

As for the KSM trial that's headed New York's way, McCarthy writes:

In the next case -- like, say, KSM's civilian trial -- the defendants will be smart enough not to plead guilty. They will insist on getting every piece of intelligence they're entitled to. And the prosecutors will look at this ruling on Moussaoui's appeal and realize they'd better give it to them or risk having the case thrown out. That's what the law-enforcement approach buys you.

Bumped, because I just KNOW that I'm not the only one that cares about this.

Originally Posted by Bluesman

Bumped, because I just KNOW that I'm not the only one that cares about this.

No Blues your not, some people have their minds on putting this to an end, others would rather make him a poster boy. Sensless money wasting to the people of the US and ass kissing to the rest.