Thread: GOP wins VA & NJ gov races

Ironduke,

I don't know if you want to have this debate here or on the other relevant thread, but what implications do you see in the result in NY state. Given the attention it has garnered within the GOP nationally & the outcome of the fight, is there a larger message? Certainly the old 'disunity is death' mantra comes to mind.

Originally Posted by Bigfella

Ironduke,

I don't know if you want to have this debate here or on the other relevant thread, but what implications do you see in the result in NY state. Given the attention it has garnered within the GOP nationally & the outcome of the fight, is there a larger message? Certainly the old 'disunity is death' mantra comes to mind.

I think it'll be discouraging for potential third-party conservatives who wish to challenge Republicans in 2010. Granted though, Scozzafava didn't have to win a primary to be selected as Republican candidate as most candidates generally do. I think however it is heavily overshadowed by the GOP wins in the governors' races. Basically, one could liken it to losing a pawn while taking two bishops.

Originally Posted by Bigfella

Ironduke,

I don't know if you want to have this debate here or on the other relevant thread, but what implications do you see in the result in NY state. Given the attention it has garnered within the GOP nationally & the outcome of the fight, is there a larger message? Certainly the old 'disunity is death' mantra comes to mind.

It depends on how close it was, if the difference is the pre-cast absentee ballots it won't change much because Hoffman can say, look if you'd picked me first, I'd have won. The Vote went 49D 45I 6R

Hoffman had to compete against 2 opponents so his message was diluted yet he probably would have pulled half the vote with just what he was able to do. Assuming of course most of Scozzafava's votes are votes that are anti-democrat as much as party loyalist.

I think Hoffman's efforts were worth doing. We need to stop cap and tax in its tracks. Its retributive scheme that won't work without inflicting massive pain on normal people. Saving the environment is worth doing, and any thing worth doing is worth doing right.

zraver,

We need to stop cap and tax in its tracks. Its retributive scheme that won't work without inflicting massive pain on normal people. Saving the environment is worth doing, and any thing worth doing is worth doing right.

right, it is too bad we just don't put a flax, high tax on gasoline in general connected to a income rebate. it would have a much better national security/environmental impact, with a lessened economic cost.

Originally Posted by astralis

zraver,



right, it is too bad we just don't put a flax, high tax on gasoline in general connected to a income rebate. it would have a much better national security/environmental impact, with a lessened economic cost.

Not a big fan of the gas tax for three reasons. 1 as I live in the rural south. We already pay through the nose While our gas prices are a few cents cheaper than the national average, we have to drive many more miles to get to basic services. 2. I drive a turbo powered sports car that already requires 93 octane or better. 3. States match any gas tax hike with a hike on diesel and that is a direct slash a the economy since life in America absolutely depends on an 18 wheeler somewhere along the line.

I think we (government) should be investing in clean coal technology and new nuclear plants the way it build hydro dams during the Great Depression. There are is also some very promising fusion technology emerging via Polywell. For cars, i think hybrid technology will catch up to the power and torque requirements Americans like very quickly. As power goes up and price comes down we can begin a natural turn over of our fleet with out needing a massive new infrastructure investment in things like electric stations or LPG stations for cars.

I don't know if you want to have this debate here or on the other relevant thread, but what implications do you see in the result in NY state. Given the attention it has garnered within the GOP nationally & the outcome of the fight, is there a larger message? Certainly the old 'disunity is death' mantra comes to mind.

That McDonnell won Fairfax County means a lot more...

Dems, incumbents get wake-up call - Yahoo! News

Exit polls showed Republican McDonnell won 63 percent of independent voters. Likewise in Democratic-trending Northern Virginia, the Republican carried the three largest suburban counties of Fairfax, Loudoun and Prince William—all counties Obama handily won last year.

z,

Not a big fan of the gas tax for three reasons. 1 as I live in the rural south. We already pay through the nose While our gas prices are a few cents cheaper than the national average, we have to drive many more miles to get to basic services. 2. I drive a turbo powered sports car that already requires 93 octane or better. 3. States match any gas tax hike with a hike on diesel and that is a direct slash a the economy since life in America absolutely depends on an 18 wheeler somewhere along the line.

I think we (government) should be investing in clean coal technology and new nuclear plants the way it build hydro dams during the Great Depression. There are is also some very promising fusion technology emerging via Polywell. For cars, i think hybrid technology will catch up to the power and torque requirements Americans like very quickly. As power goes up and price comes down we can begin a natural turn over of our fleet with out needing a massive new infrastructure investment in things like electric stations or LPG stations for cars.

the whole purpose of a tax here would act as an artificial "inefficiency" that would create an incentive for alternate energy development. an income tax rebate connected to the tax would soften the economic blow.

this should be framed as a national security question, NOT as an environmental one. the environmental benefit is clearly a secondary, nice to have factor. that's not the case with cap-and-trade, which is a roundabout way of enacting a less-efficient tax without the same economic softening.

I said it 3 years ago and I'll say again today. Democrat victories in 2006 and 2008 were more about the people being displeased with the republicans than about agreeing with the democrats. Democrats mistaken that message as people agreeing with their tax, spend, and regulate policies. Now they will have to pay the price for that mistake.

Originally Posted by astralis

z,



the whole purpose of a tax here would act as an artificial "inefficiency" that would create an incentive for alternate energy development. an income tax rebate connected to the tax would soften the economic blow.

this should be framed as a national security question, NOT as an environmental one. the environmental benefit is clearly a secondary, nice to have factor. that's not the case with cap-and-trade, which is a roundabout way of enacting a less-efficient tax without the same economic softening.

I would like to agree and even support such a tax if I didn't know the government will just waste that fund on crap like welfare.

You know about California's gas tax. It was supposed to pay for roads. But we keep running out because that money was diverted to the slush fund. We end up with a 250% hike in car tax and a 40-some-odd cents per gallon of gas tax and still short on money to fix the roads.

gunnut,

I would like to agree and even support such a tax if I didn't know the government will just waste that fund on crap like welfare.

it's harder to do a write-around at the federal level-- much more scrutiny by all the actors.

even taking the worst case scenario, though, it would mean recycling money back into the US economy as opposed to funding the latest palace by the saudis, or worse, the private donations by saudis to AQ.

I really feel bad for NJ. Those were the worst 3 candidates I've ever seen. Corzine is a bumbling idiot, Dagget is a no-name nobody and Christie is so crooked he has to have three aides help screw his pants on in the morning.

There was no winner in that race, and what's worse, regardless of who you voted for in the NJ election, you still have to cope with the fact that you live in New Jersey.

what's worse, regardless of who you voted for in the NJ election, you still have to cope with the fact that you live in New Jersey.

that's a good selection for quote of the day!

Originally Posted by astralis

that's a good selection for quote of the day!

That should be enshrined in our QUOTE section.

Done.