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    White House vs. Fox News

    Seems the White House has issued a formal declaration of war in response to ongoing hostilities from Fox News. Anita Dunn has called Fox News "an arm of the Republican Party". Will this fight do them any good? Seems to me it can only backfire on them.
    The Battle Between the White House and Fox News

    The Obama administration, which would seem to have its hands full with a two-front war in Iraq and Afghanistan, opened up a third front last week, this time with Fox News.

    Until this point, the conflict had been mostly a one-sided affair, with Fox News hosts promoting tax day “tea parties” that focused protest on the new president, and more recently bringing down the presidential adviser Van Jones through rugged coverage that caught the administration, and other news organizations, off guard. During the health care debate, Fox News has put a megaphone to opponents, some of whom have advanced far-fetched theories about the impact of reform. And even farther out on the edge, the network’s most visible star of the moment, Glenn Beck, has said the president has “a deep-seated hatred for white people.”

    Administration officials seemed to have decided that they had had enough.

    “We’re going to treat them the way we would treat an opponent,” Anita Dunn, the White House communications director, said in an interview with The New York Times. “As they are undertaking a war against Barack Obama and the White House, we don’t need to pretend that this is the way that legitimate news organizations behave.”

    Ah, but pretending has traditionally been a valuable part of the presidential playbook. Smiling and wearing beige even under the most withering news media assault is not only good manners, but also has generally been good politics. While there is undoubtedly a visceral thrill in finally setting out after your antagonists, the history of administrations that have successfully taken on the media and won is shorter than this sentence.

    Not that they haven’t tried. In his second Inaugural Address, Ulysses S. Grant said he had “been the subject of abuse and slander scarcely ever equaled in political history.” President William McKinley labeled a gathering of the press a “congress of inventors,” and President Franklin D. Roosevelt assigned less favored press members to his “Dunce Club.” Sometimes the strategy worked — or caused no lasting damage. McKinley, like Grant, was elected to a second term. Roosevelt also won a third and fourth.

    As Americans turned to TV for news, enmity from presidents soon followed. Vice President Spiro T. Agnew said “self-appointed analysts” at the Big Three networks exhibited undisguised “hostility” toward President Richard M. Nixon, subjecting his speeches to “instant analysis and querulous criticism.” Later, in the dispute with The Times over the Pentagon Papers, Mr. Nixon’s national security adviser, Henry Kissinger, accused the newspaper of treason.

    Neither of the Bush presidents had a particularly cozy relationship with the press. George H.W. Bush finished the campaign in 1992 with a bumper sticker that suggested, “Annoy the Media. Vote Bush.” And George W. Bush, in the words of ABC’s Mark Halperin, viewed “the media as a special interest rather than as guardians of the public interest.” Bill Clinton, too, distrusted the press, as did others in his administration. When Vincent Foster, Mr. Clinton’s deputy White House counsel, committed suicide in 1993, he left behind a note accusing the Wall Street Journal’s editorial page of lying.

    Even though almost all the critiques contained a kernel of truth, in each instance the folks who had the barrels of ink, and now pixels, seemed to come out ahead. So far, the only winner in this latest dispute seems to be Fox News. Ratings are up 20 percent this year, and the network basked for a week in the antagonism of a sitting president.

    It could all be written off as a sideshow, but it may present a genuine problem for Mr. Obama, who took great pains during the campaign to depict himself as being above the fray of over-heated partisan squabbling. In his victory speech he promised, “I will listen to you, especially when we disagree.”

    Or not. Under the direction of Ms. Dunn, the administration has begun to punch back. On Sept. 20, the president visited all the Sunday talk shows save Fox News’, with Ms. Dunn explaining that Fox was not a legitimate news organization, but a “wing of the Republican Party.”

    The one weapon all administrations can wield is access, and the White House, making it clear that it will use that leverage going forward, informed Fox News not to expect to bump knees with the president until 2010. But Fox News, as many have pointed out, is not in the access business. They are in the agitation business. And the administration, by deploying official resources against a troublesome media organization, seems to have brought a knife to a gunfight.

    Tactics aside, something more fundamental is at risk. Even the president’s most avid critics admit he exudes a certain cool confidence. The public impression of him is that if anyone were to, say, talk trash on the basketball court with Mr. Obama, he would not find much space for rent in Mr. Obama’s head.

    Mr. Obama has also shown a consistent ability to disarm or at least engage his critics. When he eventually sat for an interview with the Fox News personality Bill O’Reilly two months before the election, it made for great television. But for the time being, détente seems very far away and the gap seems to be widening.

    On the official White House Web site, a blog called Reality Check provides a running tally of transgressions by Fox News. It ends with this: “For even more Fox lies, check out the latest ‘Truth-O-Meter’ feature from Politifact that debunks a false claim about a White House staffer that continues to be repeated by Glenn Beck and others on the network.”

    People who work in political communications have pointed out that it is a principle of power dynamics to “punch up “ — that is, to take on bigger foes, not smaller ones. A blog on the White House Web site that uses a “truth-o-meter” against a particular cable news network would not seem to qualify. As it is, Reality Check sounds a bit like the blog of some unemployed guy living in his parents’ basement, not an official communiqué from Pennsylvania Avenue.

    The American presidency was conceived as a corrective to the royals, but trading punches with cable shouters seems a bit too common. Perhaps it’s time to restore a little imperiousness to the relationship.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/18/we...ef=todayspaper

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    Faux News may be the nastiest bunch of fascist liars masquerading as a news outlet known to the western media......................................but they still have the right and liberty to do opinionated news/slander the way they want, for the audience they cater to, and I would view the White House stance on this as unfair at the least, anti-free speech at worst.

    Every political group has parts of the media it doesn't like (our conservative parties loathe the Irish Times, for example) but it's not the perogative of a party in power to confront their media dislikers openly - whatever about Bush he didn't put stuff about the NYT on the White house website.
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    The war of words continues:
    Fox 'not really news,' says Axelrod

    White House senior adviser David Axelrod said Sunday that the Fox News Channel is "not really a news station" and that much of the programming is "not really news."

    "I’m not concerned," Axelrod said on ABC's "This Week" when George Stephanopoulos asked about the back-and-forth between the White House and Fox News.

    "Mr. [Rupert] Murdoch has a talent for making money, and I understand that their programming is geared toward making money. The only argument [White House communications director] Anita [Dunn] was making is that they’re not really a news station if you watch even — it’s not just their commentators, but a lot of their news programming.

    "It’s really not news — it’s pushing a point of view. And the bigger thing is that other news organizations like yours ought not to treat them that way, and we’re not going to treat them that way. We’re going to appear on their shows. We’re going to participate but understanding that they represent a point of view.”

    White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel said on CNN's "State of the Union" that Fox "is not a news organization so much as it has a perspective."

    "It’s not so much a conflict with Fox News," Emanuel told John King. "I suppose the way to look at it and the way … the president looks at it, we look at it is: It’s not a news organization so much as it has a perspective. And that’s a different take. And more importantly, is not have the CNNs and the others in the world basically be led in following Fox, as if what they’re trying to do is a legitimate news organization …

    "While it’s clear what the White House and what Anita said, I mean the concentration of the White House isn’t about what Fox is doing. It’s a concentration about what does it take to make sure the economy’s moving, creating jobs, helping the economy grow, making sure that we responsibly withdraw from Iraq, making sure the decisions we make on Afghanistan: We ask the questions before we go ahead first into 20,- 40,000 more troops on the line, and America’s reputation, … it’s young men and women, and its resources — that’s what’s occupying the decisions and the time in the White House.”

    POLITICO has asked Fox News for a comment and will add it once they respond.

    On "Fox News Sunday," anchor Chris Wallace said the White House had declined to provide a guest.
    Fox 'not really news,' says Axelrod - Mike Allen - POLITICO.com

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    Emanuel criticizes Fox News

    Add White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel to the list of Obama administration officials criticizing Fox News.

    Asked on CNN's "State of the Union" Sunday about White House Communications Director Anita Dunn's criticisms of the cable news network, Emanuel continued to pile on.

    “It’s not a news organization so much as it has a perspective, and that’s a different take. And more importantly, it’s important not to have the CNN’s and the others of the world being led and following Fox, as if what they’re trying to do is a legitimate news organization,” Emanuel said.

    Dunn opened a new front on the Democratic war with Fox News last week by calling it a "wing of the Republican Party."
    Emanuel criticizes Fox News - POLITICO Live - POLITICO.com

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    Kelly McParland: In Obama versus Fox News, the odds are on Fox

    Picking a fight with the media, even for a still-popular president, is rarely a good idea. For Barack Obama, who put the White House on a war footing with Fox News this week, it's one headache more than he needs.

    There's no question that journalists can be pests. Reporters, editors and columnists can be self-important, ill-informed, lazy, biased and reluctant to delve much beyond surface appearances. Plenty are happy to quit asking questions once their prejudices have been confirmed. The same is true for politicians. To a degree you could say we deserve one another, but in a head-to-head battle it's the hacks who are more likely to win, because there are more of us than there are of them, we don't have to get re-elected every few years, and we usually get the last word.

    Mr. Obama has a legitimate beef against Fox, which has never disguised its preference for Republicans over Democrats. Glenn Beck, a particularly odious Fox pundit, has gone well beyond the network's usual casual disregard for even-handedness, calling the President a racist with "a deep-seated hatred for white people." This week he compared Obama's rebuff of the network to the treatment of Jews during the Holocaust. Both suggestions are as absurd as they are despicable, and Obama can't be blamed for wanting nothing more to do with such people. But it's a mistake nonetheless. Mr. Beck won't go away, and will likely just widen his audience thanks to his enhanced notoriety, while Mr. Obama will look churlish and unable to take a punch.

    Behind the seeming triviality of the tiff is a larger issue. One of the many changes in the business of news and information is the blurring of the divide between the news side of the industry -- which for the most part still seeks to tell both sides of a story, clinging to the traditional norms of fairness and non-partisanship -- and the universe of new information outlets that make up the rules as they go, from blogs to Twitter feeds to late-night pseudo-news programs that mask social commentary behind a facade of humour. CNN presents itself as an all-news network but crowds pundits, reporters, commentators and analysts (often of dubious extraction) around the same table, all fighting for air time, no one signalling when they move from news to opinion and back again. Similarly, newspapers, TV networks, radio stations and online operations crowd news, opinion and celebrity gossip onto the same page, leaving it to readers to figure out what should be taken seriously and what to treat as entertainment, a facility many of them lack.

    So it may be correct for Fox to argue that its formal news programs continue to hold to the traditional rules and that Mr. Obama shouldn't blame its reporters for the rantings of Mr. Beck. But it's also more than a little disingenuous, as it assumes Fox's audience similarly recognizes the difference, and knows that when it clicks from one item to another on Fox's web site, or when the news anchor gives way to Glenn Beck or Bill O'Reilly, they are leaving one realm and entering another. FOX's overwhelming popularity indicates there is a healthy demand for this kind of broadcasting, and while the White House may denounce the network as a clearinghouse for Republican propaganda, the ratings suggest it is watched far beyond the ranks of right-wing diehards. In truth it appears to effectively tap a wider sense of public disgruntlement with politics in general, rather than than just one particular political camp.

    Where this is leading is not clear to any of the participants, as the information industry is still struggling to figure things out itself. The preponderance of voices has already led to a coarsening of debate, in Canada as well as the U.S., a situation politicians blame on the irresponsible media and media blames on manipulative politicians. In truth both have contributed their fair share, and would do well to step back and formulate some rules. Fox could contribute by reining in Mr. Beck, whose chief talent appears to be stirring populist resentment, however ill-informed. Mr. Obama could then tell his troops to stand down. A little more civility on both sides would go a long way.
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    Oh,faux faux outfaux Obama!!!!! Hmmmmm.. They weren't complaining when the liberal media was attacking Bush..
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    I think it ignorant of the WH to say such a thing especially when Fox is rated #1.

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    First, it is funny that we site fox's power as the #1 cable news network. That in no way means they have the most powerful media voice, many more people read the NYTimes. In fact, they are only the number 1 cable, not mainstream news. So, its all misleading.

    Second, it is in no ways a violation of free speech for Obama to refuse to meet with Fox news. Free speech would be banning fox news, which he is in no way doing. All he said is that Obama refuses to meet with Fox, which is not censorship in any way.

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    Politics as usual if you ask me. The administration feels that they have this huge, overwealming "mandate" from the people. So Fox bashes the president a bit and the administration feels it has the political might to "overthrow" Fox. They, like everyone else, has no issue with networks with a liberal bias talk trash about the party that leans to the right. What is good for the goose isn't good for the gander, isn't that the saying? Whether you agree with Fox or not, this much is true. The fact that the administration is even responding is just adding fuel to the fire, and no matter what the Obama administration does, Fox WILL WIN. Why? Unless they want to do something really stupid like censoring Fox (which is not as far fetched as that seems. Just look at what the dems want to do to conservative talk radio), Fox will be still there in 8 years and Obama will not. Simple attritiion.
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    Fox is simply the only news site and TV program dedicated to the right, and Sean Hannity is the one major Republican on the show. All these whining liberals just love to bash Fox cause they are #1 in ratings.

    White House made a dumb move attacking the media, and the Obama Administration just continues to lose any respect he may have gained, and earn sheer hate from the right.

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    The issue isn't whether Fox is over the top--it is--but whether the White House has anything to gain by bashing it. It always seems the White House comes up short when it publicly attacked the media--even the alleged non-media. The people who watch Fox regularly, must like it, or they wouldn't watch. So, you don't gain any favor with them. The people who hate it and don't watch it for fear of catching a communicable disease, will agree and cheer the White House on: "It's about time." But the people in between and the media in general will shake their heads. There are hundreds of rags and broadcast outlets ripping Obama and the dems. Why pick out Fox for a lashing? Because it's hitting too close to home.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Freeloader View Post
    Fox is simply the only news site and TV program dedicated to the right, and Sean Hannity is the one major Republican on the show. All these whining liberals just love to bash Fox cause they are #1 in ratings.

    White House made a dumb move attacking the media, and the Obama Administration just continues to lose any respect he may have gained, and earn sheer hate from the right.
    I'm not a Liberal and I despise Fox News. They have the perfect chance to take the high road and yet they don't. They distort news and push an agenda that I feel is divisive and harmful to the US.

    From Fox when they were sued for false news reporting -
    "During their appeal, FOX asserted that there are no written rules against distorting news in the media. They argued that, under the First Amendment, broadcasters have the right to lie or deliberately distort news reports on public airwaves. Fox attorneys did not dispute Akre’s claim that they pressured her to broadcast a false story, they simply maintained that it was their right to do so. After the appeal verdict WTVT general manager Bob Linger commented, “It’s vindication for WTVT, and we’re very pleased… It’s the case we’ve been making for two years. She never had a legal claim.”

    http://www.brownpride.us/forum/fox-n...t-t30173.html?

    How can you trust a news company that takes that position?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZekeJones View Post
    I'm not a Liberal and I despise Fox News. They have the perfect chance to take the high road and yet they don't. They distort news and push an agenda that I feel is divisive and harmful to the US.

    From Fox when they were sued for false news reporting -
    "During their appeal, FOX asserted that there are no written rules against distorting news in the media. They argued that, under the First Amendment, broadcasters have the right to lie or deliberately distort news reports on public airwaves. Fox attorneys did not dispute Akre’s claim that they pressured her to broadcast a false story, they simply maintained that it was their right to do so. After the appeal verdict WTVT general manager Bob Linger commented, “It’s vindication for WTVT, and we’re very pleased… It’s the case we’ve been making for two years. She never had a legal claim.”

    http://www.brownpride.us/forum/fox-n...t-t30173.html?

    How can you trust a news company that takes that position?
    So you want to base your entire opinion over a local affiliate's story on cows that's reported in a website called "brownpride"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shek View Post
    So you want to base your entire opinion over a local affiliate's story on cows that's reported in a website called "brownpride"?
    No, not over one site.
    Fox News Wins Lawsuit To Misinform Public ? Seriously | Philly2Philly.com

    Daily Kos: State of the Nation

    Monsanto and Fox: Partners in Censorship - SourceWatch

    I could go on.

    Its a local affiliate, but its a safe bet that Fox's corporate lawyers were involved in the legal defense.
    I'm not saying that other news companies are any better, but for a company that has a motto "Fair and Balanced", I would think that using the defense that it is not required to tell the truth violates that motto.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JAD_333 View Post
    The issue isn't whether Fox is over the top--it is--but whether the White House has anything to gain by bashing it. It always seems the White House comes up short when it publicly attacked the media--even the alleged non-media. The people who watch Fox regularly, must like it, or they wouldn't watch. So, you don't gain any favor with them. The people who hate it and don't watch it for fear of catching a communicable disease, will agree and cheer the White House on: "It's about time." But the people in between and the media in general will shake their heads. There are hundreds of rags and broadcast outlets ripping Obama and the dems. Why pick out Fox for a lashing? Because it's hitting too close to home.

    Its a dumb move. It gains nothing. It makes Fox seem more important than it is. Better just to shut up & get on with something more important (Afghanistan, healthcare reform, bunch of other stuff).
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