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I may rarely agree with Bluesman however, I strongly think you are off the mark on calling him unbalanced.
He has his strong opinions, ones I usually disagree with, and we have gone around a few times about. I think he is wrong on a LOT of things.
However, he comes to those beliefs honestly, not out of some derangement syndrome.
But, he hardly needs my help in defending himself. I am sure he will be along shortly to handle himself just fine.
Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit. Wisdom is to know to not use it in a fruit salad.
Oh I wasn't calling you on anything AR....I was pointing out that even though ACORN fired them, they really don't share your sentiment and aren't that interested in finding anymore. They just seem pissed that someone pulled the covers back on a few them.Originally Posted by Albany Rifles
On the other this is what I should have asked.
Who would that be in that majority of Democrats?
What plans do they have that are for the common good?
I look at the 2 senators from my state, Warner and Webb, and I like what I see there. I also like my governor, Tim Kaine. I have liked Jay Rockefeller of WV for quite some time as well. I've always liked Cebelius of Kansas.
That said, I happen to like some Republican politicians as well....I just can't remember who!) I really like and respected John Warner; I like Orrin Hatch, usually John McCain. I don't always agree with him but I do respect Randy Forbes as well. If you look up where I live it is well outside of suburban Washington....we tend to be a bit mroe pragmatic here.
I am not very enamored with the House and Senate leadership of either party.
While the stimulus package was too big for some, I have seen 4 specific projects in my area which have provided jobs which would not have been there. Was it too big? Possibly. Was it a failure? Too early to tell...remember, only about 30% has been spent. Need to give it time.
Doing nothing on healthcare will only make the problems worse. I come to that from nightly, and I do mean nightly, hearing my wife, who is the asst chief nursing officer in a hospital which services a poor city, a rural community and also serves as a trauma center all rolled into one, talk about the issues and problems they are having. The system is too convoluted.
Some people believe that government can get nothing right....I would remind people that a government prgram put a man on the moon, won the Cold War, helped conquer polio, built an interstate highway system and keeps airliners from crashing into each other.
But at the same time, I do not believe that I have to demonize Repblicans or anyone who disagrees with my politics for that matter. I believe we need a robust debate but without the screed. Its obviously truly how I feel or else I would not have defended Bluesman to Steedy (unless, of course, I am just setting him up!
Life is too short to spend it making senseless arguments and drinking bad beer.
And sorry I misread your question earlier.
I just wanted to make sure that we don't conflate ACORN as the Democratic Party. I do agree investigations need to occur in ALL instances of voter fraud and suppression.
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Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit. Wisdom is to know to not use it in a fruit salad.
All I can say is if the Republican party nominates Palin for 2012...watch Obama win again.
They should put Pawlenty up, he looks like he may have the best chance.Keep Palin as far away as possible.She is toxic in a national contest.
Okay. There's fire there in many instances, although I don't think there's corruption involved, just good old fashioned criminality.
"So little pains do the vulgar take in the investigation of truth, accepting readily the first story that comes to hand." Thucydides 1.20.3
nice hairsplitting, dude
Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit. Wisdom is to know to not use it in a fruit salad.
Funny story. While serving as a deputy in Cherokee co KS circa 1991, I met Kathleen Sebelius when she was but a young, unknown, lowly KS state rep. Being that the Sheriff was a democrat, and in order to keep a politically oriented job, I was told it would do me well to be a registered democrat. So all us Democrat deputies had to go do a little meet n greet with the rep one day before a local parade she was the Marshall of and decided it would be a good photo op to meet with the counties finest. I didn't do politics much then and really didn't know or care who was who in the political arena. But I can tell you, the woman is a first rate, full blown hag that was about as yes man, plastic molded there was. She would have promised legalized beastiality with free liquor if it would have gained her a vote. Needless to say I was not impressed and I might add that none of my family that have all been lifelong Kansas Democrats, where unhappy to see her go, all hoping that she would be scooped by this cabinet. I could list a pageful of problems with Kansas, but the biggest complaint from the natives I know right now are ridiculously high taxes. I was thinking of moving back to Kansas a few months ago as I found some property not too far away, until my father warned me of the taxes and I checked it out. Hmm, made me appreciate good ol MO for a change.
I am not that familiar with the others but I gotta say, I can't figure out why you would want to go where Sebelius wants to take us and her track record in Kansas speaks volumes of her.
I can't either.That said, I happen to like some Republican politicians as well....I just can't remember who!
Try living here in redneck central, USA and see how pragmatic you get.If you look up where I live it is well outside of suburban Washington....we tend to be a bit mroe pragmatic here.
Aha! Another commonality.I am not very enamored with the House and Senate leadership of either party.
I think that one, it was spent on the wrong things. Honestly I voted for nothing at all and thought the market and businesses should be allowed to fail and the market recover on its own, but just my opinion there. Secondly, I really find it a bit smelly that the bulk of the money is going to be doled out just in time for the midterms. Wouldn't it do more to act quickly, since the pres did say that if that if that bill did not pass at the time that he appointed, the govt would have to start shutting down and we would see disastrous consequences. It reminds of the old military "Hurry up and wait". Ahh the good ole days, run to get into a line...While the stimulus package was too big for some, I have seen 4 specific projects in my area which have provided jobs which would not have been there. Was it too big? Possibly. Was it a failure? Too early to tell...remember, only about 30% has been spent. Need to give it time.
And do either one of you honestly think that the govt will make it less convoluted???? I'm for doing something though. I'm for regulating the ins companies a little, and major TORT reform. I cite that Texas recently passed major tort reform on healthcare and Doctors are flocking to Texas because they can now do thier job without the constant fear of ridiculous litigation and huge ins premiums.Doing nothing on healthcare will only make the problems worse. I come to that from nightly, and I do mean nightly, hearing my wife, who is the asst chief nursing officer in a hospital which services a poor city, a rural community and also serves as a trauma center all rolled into one, talk about the issues and problems they are having. The system is too convoluted.
Funded by the govt but run by civilians. Correct me if I'm wrong here. ,Some people believe that government can get nothing right....I would remind people that a government prgram put a man on the moon
Under the leadership of my CiC, and the greatest pres I ever knew, Ronald Reagan. So I'll give you that mostly.won the Cold War
funded once again, civilian doctors. Thanks to Dr. Salkhelped conquer polio,
Highways yes but they only regulate civilian aviation. Planes still crash, but they are great at figuring out why. I say the major cause is still gravity.built an interstate highway system and keeps airliners from crashing into each other.
The only thing I see there is honestly, the MSM paints us tea partiers as whackos, but Code Pink and ACORN is a grass roots movement. Its OK for Hillary to spout dissent with an administration and she says its patriotic. But I do it and I am a right wing, homegrown, terrorist??But at the same time, I do not believe that I have to demonize Repblicans or anyone who disagrees with my politics for that matter. I believe we need a robust debate but without the screed.I agree, sans the screed and the double-standard, would be nice.
Aha! An old Democrat trick!!Its obviously truly how I feel or else I would not have defended Bluesman to Steedy (unless, of course, I am just setting him up!
Your closer to DC than me, you should tell them that, cause I definitely agree with you there.Life is too short to spend it making senseless arguments and drinking bad beer.
ACORN has been around a while, through several administrations. I think their high profile involvement in this election has revealed more about them than they wanted most to know. Its just no secret that Obama does encourage and support ACORN, therefore you have people drawing the conclusion that although ACORN may not be representative of want you want to see out of your party. There are definitely some in your party, using ACORN as a tool to advance thier agenda.And sorry I misread your question earlier.
I just wanted to make sure that we don't conflate ACORN as the Democratic Party. I do agree investigations need to occur in ALL instances of voter fraud and suppression.
Is that a fair assessment?
Sorry for the incredible run on I had here!!
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Also on a personal note, he's not.
I speak from personal experience. I've been an overnight guest in that man's house several times and I hope to again when I'm able to get away from work long enough (damn the USAF for assigning his hot wife -and by extension the whole family- all the way out in California!)
I don't particularly agree with the manner in which he is putting his views out there but I can assure you, he's not imbalanced...and he does have some very good points.
The one that I especially agree with with the manner in which Democratic members of Congress tried their dead-level best to LOSE the war in Iraq, snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. When he calls them traitors, he's not far off the mark.
I'm not going to legitimize your question with an answer.
So was George W. Bush. And that very successful governor allowed himself to get conned by his vice president and Secretary of Defense into having two wars at the same time and an improper invasion force in Iraq that allowed our occupation to become a clusterf*ck for three years and empowered neighboring Iran because we were too distracted to worry about anything outside of our two war fronts, because that successful governor was too stupid to know better. My dad went to Iraq twice and when he came back the second time said that if this country had any sense of justice Rumsfeld would get lined up on a wall and shot by a firing squad, and he has conservative political views.You're very wrong. She was a very successful governor.
Moderator, this is outright idiotic trolling of a person posting his emotions instead of carrying on a conversation of actual worth, because if he had read his first post he would have seen.And if THAT is your criteria, how the hell could you vote for the DOUBLE-idiot ticket? JOE BIDEN is SMARTER than PALIN? You're grossly mis-informed if you believe that. That is the dumbest man that ever sat in the Senate, and the record is clear on that. No shortage of examples.
Maybe that's the problem. Hey, you can't win elections with 20%, you win it with 50%. You remind me of the nuts in the Libertarian Party. Diehards with principles, but unable to realize that they'll never win anything with their views of why they think children should not be vaccinated. So they choose getting 0.4% of the vote every year over compromising their principles. And then they get into "holier than thou" fights with one another of "you're not a real Libertarian, you think the country should have a military". Sounds a lot like the Republicans circa 2008 to current.Screw you, punk. I make that claim RIGHT NOW, because whatever she cost him by being his running mate, she was the only thing about that trainwreck of a campaign that I had ANY enthusiasm for, and I'm about as rock-ribbed a Republican as the party dam' well has.
Troll.YOU are the idiot.
He was the person that won the nomination in a majority process. Deal with it. If you can't, then you should've got out your gun and shot the bastard dead. You can take happiness in the fact that you wanted nothing to deal with him while standing on death row. Hey, if it pisses you off Obama is president, go shoot him too.I wanted NOTHING to do with McCain.
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I will be proud of the Democrats.......once they off the dead weight idiots they have an over abundence of and realize the fact that if they try to pass this health care bill without the peoples concent then there are going to be more problems then their short sightedness can forsee. Either way IMO the list below must go.:P
1) Pelosi
2) Reid
3) Murtha
4) Spectre
5) Boxer
Fortitude.....The strength to persist...The courage to endure.
Nice to know that people who voice their opinions against the idiot policies of those mentioned above and the Obama administration have this crowd control measure to look forward too in the future. IMO, the Sherif should himself should be fired and tossed in jail. I hope the people sue his town into bankrupsy. A-HOLE!
SAN DIEGO -- The same kind of technology used against insurgents in Iraq and pirates off the coast of Somalia is now being deployed to some local town hall forums where health care debates are taking place but concern is being raised about the potential lasting effects of these so-called sonic weapons.
Some say because the devices can potentially hurt people's hearing they are too dangerous to be used on a local level.
The Long Range Acoustic Device, or LRAD, is a long-range hailing and warning system that emits focused beams of sound that can cause discomfort or damage. LRADs were originally developed to be used by warships to issue an alert or ward off a potential enemy at sea.
Robert Putnam who works with the company that manufactures the systems said that if someone stood right in front of one, it could harm them.
"At full maximum: 146 decibels," Putnam said of the device's output. "In this day and age where people don't use uniforms, you can use them to hail them from a distance."
The San Diego Sheriff's Department has an LRAD and told 10News that because of its precise and clear sound the new device will be used to alert large crowds at events or during search-and-rescue missions.
Most recently, 10News learned, it was brought to a town hall meeting last month in Spring Valley but not used.
Kevin Keenan of the ACLU has serious concerns about the device being used on a local level.
"It's a military application," Keenan said. "I could understand to have something better than a bullhorn, but fact is you're creating a narrow beam."
San Diego audio company Sound Stage helped 10News test everyday noises with a decibel reader to put the LRAD into perspective. As mentioned before, the LRAD can reach 146 decibels, which is similar to the amount of sound generated by the engines of a jet plane.
"A jet plane can be 140-150 [decibels]," Brandon Rinas of Sound Stage said.
A car horn tested at 115 decibels. The sound of traffic was just 86 decibels. The output of a fire engine siren from just feet away was in the same range as a jet would be and on par with the LRAD at its maximum setting.
The sheriff's department said its intent is not to harm anyone, it's to help.
The department has only used the device once and that was to organize a large beach crowd. The company that manufactures the LRADs said the only way the devices can cause harm is if a person stands directly in front of one for a long period of time.
Some Upset Sheriff's Department Has Sonic Device - San Diego News Story - KGTV San Diego
Fortitude.....The strength to persist...The courage to endure.
Add to that list:
Conyers. His wife is bringing home envelopes stuffed with cash, selling waste disposal contracts in Detroit. Pleads guilty to two counts of bribery. Conyers is the chair of the House Judiciary Comittee, which excercises oversight of the FBI. After first agreeing to an investigation, Conyers then backtracks and squelches said investigation of ACORN on instructions from "the powers that be". (Obama? Pelosi?)
Rangel. Multiple counts of tax evasion, unreported income and assets, etc. Rangel is the Chair of Ways and Means, the Comittee that has oversight of the IRS. No Penalties or Interest were assessed for his repeated violations of the tax code.
*Agreed add them to the list.
*HighSea, did you see the piece on ACORN and the prostitution sting lately?
Fortitude.....The strength to persist...The courage to endure.
Ya know, the NYPD had LRAD equipped trucks at the RNC fracas at Madison Square Garden and seem to be using the same boilerplate explanation for its use as the SDPD
Quoted from here
"Earlier this month, the New York Police Department showed off a machine called the Long Range Acoustic Device, developed for the military and capable of blasting at an earsplitting 150 decibels -- as loud as a firecracker, a jet engine taking off or artillery fire at 500 feet, according to the Noise Center at the League for the Hard of Hearing.
The NYPD said it would use the machine to direct crowds to safety if there's a terrorist attack or remind protesters where they're allowed to march. Police said they wouldn't use the earsplitting screeching noise feature at the convention.
"It's only to communicate in large crowds," Inspector Thomas Graham of the police department's crowd control unit said."
Last edited by Rumrunner; 15 Sep 09, at 21:42.
You know JJ, Him could do it....
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